Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse

If thats his actual excuse then that stinks of guilt! Didnt actually think he was guilty, or rather more was prepared to wait and see. But whats the point of speaking to a frenchman in spanish at Anfield?

And Liverpool let him use that excuse?
 
Brophs said:
Nah, he's going to say "Well in my language 'Negro' means mate, so I'm not saying anything different than his team mates". Which is a daft line of reasoning really, but might be enough for the FA to rely on and call it all a big misunderstanding.
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So Suarez was calling him "mate" repeatedly? Bullshit, absolute bullshit. He knew full well what he was doing, I expect it all to be swept under the carpet this week.
 
Longsden_7 said:
So Suarez was calling him "mate" repeatedly? Bullshit, absolute bullshit. He knew full well what he was doing, I expect it all to be swept under the carpet this week.
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Well, I don't know, I'm reading the same articles you are. But it looks that way.
 
Why doesn't he say what he actually said then, instead of just saying it was his way of expressing himself and what United players call him? If it's that innocuous he can surely mention it in the interview.
 
humdinger said:
Why doesn't he say what he actually said then, instead of just saying it was his way of expressing himself and what United players call him? If it's that innocuous he can surely mention it in the interview.
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Great point.
For someone who's supposedly innocent, and the victim of a misunderstanding, one would think he'd be absolutely outspoken in his own defence; and not, as he seems to be, quite reticent to defend himself properly. Never mind the FA's 'rule of silence', if any of us were falsely accused of racism, we'd be furious & would let everyone know of that justified anger.
 
With him and Dalglish continuing to be so public in their defence, whilst not actually revealing what happened, it really does seem like he has constructed this story.

They were having a bit of a barny in English and then the conversation turns to Spanish at the exact moment that Suarez feels the need to call Evra "mate". No doubt it then reverted immediately back to English again.

I'm witholding judgement until we know more but it does seem like Suarez is spinning a tall tale which nobody will be able tio disprove.
 
Let's say it was a complete misunderstanding and Suarez did just mean to say "mate".

I'd still fecking apologise for the misunderstanding of going to a different culture and accidentally abusing them. It'd still be my fault for being ignorant.

That's the worse thing about all this, there's no decency, it's all just football-motivated solutions rather than actually solving the problem so far.
 
Kraftwerker said:
No, but they probably call him 'mate' which is the Suarez defence.

I doubt Evra even speaks Spanish.
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holdsteady said:
Wrong. Paddy and Park are both fluent, that's how they were friends with Tevez.
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I wouldn't be surprised at this, I found out the other day he can speak 5 languages, being brought up in France, it would not be surprising to learn that he speaks French/English/Spanish/Italian and probably the local African language of his parents. He was also learning South Korean to speak to Park, so he clearly has a natural linguistic aptitude.
 
He's a scumbag. If Liverpool fans think this bloke is going to stick around for any meaningful amount of time they are mental, wouldn't be surprised to see him a kick up a fuss next summer.
 
Mick1991 said:
He's a scumbag. If Liverpool fans think this bloke is going to stick around for any meaningful amount of time they are mental, wouldn't be surprised to see him a kick up a fuss next summer.
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This. He's a vile cuntbag of the highest order, when he inevitably demands a move they'll suddenly lash at him for being a racist mercenary :rolleyes:
 
holdsteady said:
Wrong. Paddy and Park are both fluent, that's how they were friends with Tevez.
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Proof Park is fluent in Spanish? I know Park speaks Japanese, of course he knows English, but fluent Spanish?


Colin129 said:
I wouldn't be surprised at this, I found out the other day he can speak 5 languages, being brought up in France, it would not be surprising to learn that he speaks French/English/Spanish/Italian and probably the local African language of his parents. He was also learning South Korean to speak to Park, so he clearly has a natural linguistic aptitude.
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Asking Park a few Korean words doesn't mean he's learning Korean.


Ontopic:
Suarez' statement is weird and confusing. Just describe in detail what you were really saying you cheating, ear biting, diving cnut.
 
I haven't even finished that article and it's making me giddy...this is the place we've come to...

Top-level sources at Old Trafford say the offending word was uttered in Spanish and allegedly was a derivative of "negro", with Evra stating that it was used "at least 10 times".
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[Luis Suarez's] counter-argument [is] that certain variations of the N-word are not deemed offensive where the Liverpool player grew up.
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Perhaps he grew up at Rich Perry's family ranch?

"Negrito", for example, could have shocking connotations for someone without full knowledge of the nuances of the language. But the counter-argument is that this is one of several derivations that are used in many countries, with no derogatory meaning – often in the same way someone could be called "pal" or "mate".
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Of course you can say 'pal' or 'mate' in a derogatory way as well. Context, huh...

An illustration of this comes in the form of the message Dani Pacheco, the Liverpool player who is currently on loan at Rayo Vallecano, sent to his Spain Under-21 team-mate Thiago Alcântara via Twitter on Friday. It begins: "Negrito, enjoy yourself …"
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N*gger is also used with no derogatory meaning, here's an example of Dr. Dre to Over-21 teammate Snoopy Dogg, "Waste that b*tch my n*gger."

The two players were arguing at the time and it is beyond argument that Suárez was trying to wind up his opponent, but the crux of the matter is the meaning of whatever was said and differentiating between something that would not be offensive in one country but shocking in another.
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Oh, so he was definitely trying to wind him up. Buuut, the words he used weren't meant to be derogatory! Brilliant!

He said last week that it was not an insult but just a "way of expressing myself."
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Liverpool have let it be known they will ask the FA to take action against Evra if the governing body concludes that Suárez has no case to answer.
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Classy.

Language barrier delays case of what Luis Suárez said to Patrice Evra | Football | The Guardian
 
Surely if they are going to consider where he grew up they will also have to consider where he has spent the last couple of years of his life? It just beggars belief that Liverpool will push for punishment if it is found out to be a misunderstanding (which will leave a bad taste in the mouth). One would also have to factor in how little sense that would make....a Liverpool player shouldn't be punished for a misunderstanding but a United player who was the victim of this misunderstanding should be?

That's just beyond ridiculous. (All conjecture of course, we don't really know what is going on but I'd be surprised if Suarez was found guilty).
 
We all know the FA are looking for a way which appeases both clubs and players.

The issue of actual racism will take a backseat.
 
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gooDevil said:
Oh, so he was definitely trying to wind him up. Buuut, the words he used weren't meant to be derogatory! Brilliant!
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:lol:

feck off you twat! But I don't mean to offensive with that :wenger:

I find it hard to believe, that having played at Ajax and Liverpool who have numerous black players he didn't understand what should be deemed offensive and what's not.
 
Cultural ignorance doesn't even come into it...Uruguay has a number of 'colored' players in the national team, no way would Suarez call one of them a 'negrito' in the middle of a spat, and say it was a 'joke', 'just a way for me to express myself'.
 
So in his country, the word Negrito is a term for 'mate' or 'buddy'.

But he's been living in Europe now for several years, and in England for nearly a year. Surely he should know it's different here.

Evra heard Suarez say this word numerous times, but obviously because of the way it sounds, Evra took offence to it and rightly so. He thought it was a racist slur against him. He shouldn't be punished from this if Suarez is let off.
 
Purely a matter of the FA coming up with a suitable statement to the effect: "let's just move on boys - a misunderstanding"
 
It shouldn't matter about his upbringing. When some Spanish people blacked-up their faces to mock Lewis Hamilton several years ago, that was tolerated in Spain but widely condemned elsewhere especially in the UK (unless you are Bernie Ecclestone). In the UK, it was shocking. If it were done in the UK, it would be shocking too.

At the very least, he should be given a stern warning that in the heat of the moment, getting called by something that sounds like an N-word has negative racist connotations in the UK. However, Dalglish's attempts to punish the victim have not really helped both parties find an amicable solution.
 
It's hard to believe that, having played abroad for so long, he has no notion that this Uruguayan peculiarity might upset people.

What about Suarez's contention that other United players call Evra 'negrito' and so he was just doing what they do? Not sure what he would know about what United players call Evra, Suarez just got here.
 
gooDevil said:
It's hard to believe that, having played abroad for so long, he has no notion that this Uruguayan peculiarity might upset people.

What about Suarez's contention that other United players call Evra 'negrito' and so he was just doing what they do? Not sure what he would know about what United players call Evra, Suarez just got here.
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It's a pile of poo , he knew exactly what he was doing, the obnoxious little twerp.
 
But I thought Evra was a liar and has a history of lying about these things?
 
EricaNo7 said:
It's a pile of poo , he knew exactly what he was doing, the obnoxious little twerp.
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I honestly think he really did and that "cultural difference" is his get away card.What does that make of Liverpool when they say they'll sue Evra if Suarez is cleared ? What kinda fecked up logic are they applying ?
 
kouroux said:
I honestly think he really did and that "cultural difference" is his get away card.What does that make of Liverpool when they say they'll sue Evra if Suarez is cleared ? What kinda fecked up logic are they applying ?
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It's really beyond stupid. If anything the clubs should be encouraging players who have been racially abused to come forward and complain, suing Evra would just mean that they're even less likely to complain because they're fearful of being sued if it can't be proven.
 
Y'know I can't help but feel there's a touch of racism in the attitude towards black players who complain about racism in the game. There might be an element not only of 'Shut up & get on with it...' but also '...because you're lucky we even allow you to play'.
 
The term "Negrito" is the Spanish diminutive of negro, i.e. "little black person"
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Negrito - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He can try and wriggle his way out of it all he wants, but he quite clearly didn't mean it in the way of 'pal' or 'mate', he knew that it was a derogatory term he was using. This is not the first time that someone from a Spanish speaking nation has had this charge labelled against them.
 
It's laughable that Suarez is trying to brush this off as like a conversation between old friends from the same neighbourhood.

He was quite clearly trying to wind Evra up, therefore any affectionate/pally connotations in the terminology can automatically be ruled out.
 
SteveJ said:
Y'know I can't help but feel there's a touch of racism in the attitude towards black players who complain about racism in the game. There might be an element not only of 'Shut up & get on with it...' but also '...because you're lucky we even allow you to play'.
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well as a black person myself, "you black cnut" was almost acceptable where I grew up, so I guess I can now safely go around calling people "black cnuts"

wow, the FA and clearly the government is pretty bloody useless when it comes to these things.
 
SteveJ said:
Y'know I can't help but feel there's a touch of racism in the attitude towards black players who complain about racism in the game. There might be an element not only of 'Shut up & get on with it...' but also '...because you're lucky we even allow you to play'.
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agree mate.

btw Surrez admitting he did say 'something' has hung himself.

but I would not bet on the FA having the balls to do what needs to be done here...
 
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