That is absolutely unbelievable.
There really are no words to describe the sheer ignorance of that comment.
There really are no words to describe the sheer ignorance of that comment.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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He's exaggerating, Suarez only said 'it' 5, 6 times tops.
It still wouldn't be acceptable no but it would have been more understandable. My point was that after spending so much time in Europe I can't really see how that could be used as a legitimate excuse. I find it extremely hard to believe he went around calling his black Ajax teammates negroes or similarly his Liverpool ones. Blaming it on a cultural misunderstanding is a load of codswallop.
Liverpool are tarnishing their image as a club that has support all over the world by supporting a racist.
That is the tragedy.
but the thick scousers wont understand that.
That is the tragedy.
but the thick scousers wont understand that.
They're not only supporting, harbouring and blatantly covering up a racist, they are also very publicly criticising the victim the of racist abuse and doing everything they can, very openly, to transfer the blame.
If that isn't institutionalised racism and a massive v-sign to the victims of racial abuse and all the campaigns against that, I don't know what it is
That's pretty typical of Liverpool fans. I've seen many making excuses now that they have the worst diver in the league. Never accept any possible blame, always someone else's fault...
always the victims.....
Edit: A Liverpool blog reported this LIVERPOOL LEGEND: "If anyone is guilty, it's Patrice Evra..." | Liverpool-Kop.com | Liverpool FC News, features, statistics and analysis
Various people on twitter has reported this as well. Which leads me to this:
What I don't understand is how Liverpool get away with it. Surely the FA should tell Daglish to be quiet and not make stupid comments like he's done. The fact that they told Fergie to keep quiet, while letting Daglish talk as much as he wants is just laughable really. Now we have people who are employed by Liverpool (see quote above) basically saying that Evra is at fault for reporting the racism and refusing to let it go. How fecked up is that?
The Kick It Out campaign needs to step the feck up, and they need to do it now. If Suarez admitted to calling Evra a "negro" and if he doesn't get punished for it, and if Terry goes unpunished as well, they might as well shut up shop. If they can't make examples out of relatively clear-cut cases as these (again assuming that Suarez actually did admit calling Evra "negro") they're just wasting everyone's time and resources.
Protecting an expensive investment I'd imagine, if the backlash was big enough he'd probably look for pastures new.
The worrying thing I suppose is that this isn't just a Liverpool fan delusion either (the actions of people working at the club is completely different, even more reprehensible considering they feed the opinion). The fans will obviously look for the best in a well liked player (for them) but I reckon most fan bases would have a size-able chunk of supporters that would do the same.............especially when you consider some of the malicious propaganda coming from the club they support.
The worrying thing I suppose is that this isn't just a Liverpool fan delusion either (the actions of people working at the club is completely different, even more reprehensible considering they feed the opinion). The fans will obviously look for the best in a well liked player (for them) but I reckon most fan bases would have a size-able chunk of supporters that would do the same.............especially when you consider some of the malicious propaganda coming from the club they support.
I don't buy this "protecting an investment" that several people have said really. Yes, of course you want to support your player, but you don't have to do so by speaking in public every other day and basically labelling Evra a liar and calling for him to be severely punished if there isn't any proof in the case. By doing what Daglish (and Liverpool-based journalists/Liverpool employees) have done they risk quite a lot I think. If Suarez is found guilty everyone will know Daglish was talking shit and basically accepted racism. I could imagine quite a few sponsors would look at that and think twice before signing a deal with Liverpool, if Suarez is found guilty and they keep supporting him.
Hopefully this case won't be influenced a single bit by what has been said in the media, so there's very little (if anything) to win for Daglish for supporting Suarez the way he's done (apart from a few loyalty points from Suarez of course), but there's a lot to lose the way I see it.
Hopefully this case won't be influenced a single bit by what has been said in the media, so there's very little (if anything) to win for Daglish for supporting Suarez the way he's done (apart from a few loyalty points from Suarez of course), but there's a lot to lose the way I see it.
I reckon it plays its role 'remember when your pal Kenny stood behind you during those nasty racism claims'. They're hedging their bets because there is a high probability that he won't be found guilty of anything more than a 'misunderstanding' unfortunately.
Yep, it's wrong and stinks badly but it is probably what will happen.
Yep, it's wrong and stinks badly but it is probably what will happen.
Yeah, you're probably right.
The scary thing is, if the FA won't make an honourable stand on racism this week then it will probably never happen.
The England captain, mixed with allegations made in the country's biggest fixture means it's now or never. They simply can't pay lip service to the 'kick it out campaign' if they don't act rigorously when it lands at their door.
They need to make a stand and show they have balls and racism WILL NOT BE TOLERATED by anyone - regardless of importance - or any clubs - regardless of stature.
However, I fully expect this to be swept under the carpet. Not because of club bias, but sheer cowardice in the hierarchy. They have a brand to protect and vested interests in doing so.
The England captain, mixed with allegations made in the country's biggest fixture means it's now or never. They simply can't pay lip service to the 'kick it out campaign' if they don't act rigorously when it lands at their door.
They need to make a stand and show they have balls and racism WILL NOT BE TOLERATED by anyone - regardless of importance - or any clubs - regardless of stature.
However, I fully expect this to be swept under the carpet. Not because of club bias, but sheer cowardice in the hierarchy. They have a brand to protect and vested interests in doing so.
Listen lads, Suarez hasn't been found guilty yet. This is a delicate issue, we can't just assume Evra's in the right.
yeah, listen lads...
Hang on... he's admitted calling him a "Negro". It's hard to work out how Evra could be in the wrong here?
Has he? Where's he admitted that?
Ummmm........apparently it's part of a sustained attempt by SAF and United to derail Liverpool's best player in the media. When there are idiots around spouting this kind of shite, how will there ever be any sensible discussion regarding the issue The campaign to derail Luis Suarez
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I saw it in the Mirror, and I wouldn't believe anything those lot said.
And yet there's no talk of Suarez sueing for defamation.
Well no but that's neither here nor there.
Is this being investigated by the police like the Ferdinand/Terry incident?
The problem I believe is that both sets of fans and dare I say both clubs have already made up their mind on who is wrong and who is right. They want instant results.
Well, a delicate issue like this cannot just be resolved in a 2 day hearing like appeals for red cards.
If someone is found guilty of an allegation such as this, it sticks. This is someone's reputation as a man being questioned. Its not just on the field. As such the FA need to take as much time as possible to conduct a thorough investigation even if it takes weeks or months. Likewise if he is guilty then he needs to be outed to show the kind of man he is.
The problem is if we get a 'not enough evidence' verdict which I believe will likely be the case then Liverpool fans will have no 2nd thoughts abusing and calling Evra a liar and United fans calling Suarez a racist.
Well, a delicate issue like this cannot just be resolved in a 2 day hearing like appeals for red cards.
If someone is found guilty of an allegation such as this, it sticks. This is someone's reputation as a man being questioned. Its not just on the field. As such the FA need to take as much time as possible to conduct a thorough investigation even if it takes weeks or months. Likewise if he is guilty then he needs to be outed to show the kind of man he is.
The problem is if we get a 'not enough evidence' verdict which I believe will likely be the case then Liverpool fans will have no 2nd thoughts abusing and calling Evra a liar and United fans calling Suarez a racist.
Shit I'm scared now. I know this the 15,000th time they are back but perhaps its true.
They were miles better a couple of years back with Alonso & Mascherano, Gerrard in the hole and Torres up top. Cf Lucas& Adam, Carroll and Suarez.
Well it is, since racism is an incredibly slanderous allegation to level at anyone.
If there was no truth legal proceedings would be launched immediately.
I love this perception that before the alleged racism happened everyone everywhere loved Suarez and thought he was amazing
Apparently if they had lost to West Brom, Dalglish would have had the same record as Hodgson.
At last the truth is known - Suarez called Evra 'Paddy', a recognised racist epiphet, aimed at the Irishman Patrice Evra!
Source:
La de Surez peg en el palo - Diario EL PAIS - Montevideo - Uruguay
Source:
La de Surez peg en el palo - Diario EL PAIS - Montevideo - Uruguay
Perhaps he called him Patrick Evra like the commentator on Setanta Sports used to do. I'd have complained to the FA about that too if I hadn't been eating a sandwich at the time.
Reading between the lines, I wonder if Suarez's remarks are hinting that he did indeed call Evra 'Negra/Negro' (sorry, I can't recall the exact term), and Suarez really is going to claim language/cultural differences to explain away the insult.
Suarez is obviously going down the 'I called him negro, which means mate, and his teammates call him mate, therefore it's ok to call him negro' route.
Do our player's call him 'negro'?
Interesting that he says their conversation switched from English to Spanish. So they were talking in English and Suarez randomly decided to drop the Spanish word negro in there just to jazz up the conversation or something.
No, but they probably call him 'mate' which is the Suarez defence.
I doubt Evra even speaks Spanish.
Nah, he's going to say "Well in my language 'Negro' means mate, so I'm not saying anything different than his team mates". Which is a daft line of reasoning really, but might be enough for the FA to rely on and call it all a big misunderstanding.