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Alex Ferguson has snubbed Burnley's bid to land youngster Paul Pogba on loan.

Clarets boss Eddie Howe wanted the 18-year-old midfielder to help his struggling Championship side.

But Ferguson said: "It's more difficult to loan a boy of 18 who's come from France.

"We prefer to keep him with us until we find he's mature enough to possibly go on loan".


This is what Fergie had to say earlier in the season, it sounds like the plan is to send him on loan but he is not ready yet, him coming from a foreign Country contributing to that. Sometimes fans just see footballers as robots who should produce the goods regardless of age, maturity, personality etc.

It is natural to be excited about him, we have a cracking player on our hands everyone can see his talent, but the manager knows his personality, his human side, we as fans are not privvy to that day to day, and that needs to be managed and developed just as carefully as his football ability, he is still very much developing as a person never mind a player. Fergie will know the best time to introduce him on a regular basis, I have no doubt he will make it with us, just need to be patient.
 
This may well be reflected in the fact that I have not been nor am I likely to ever be in charge of a football club but I struggle to see why Paul Pogba hasn't been given a proper chance this season. What risk does it pose to play him? Its not as if we're sparkling in centre midfield right now. Could Pogba really play so much worse than some of what we've seen lately that it would make a massive difference to give him a go? With so many centre midfielders out injured that we're resorting to Wayne Rooney being played in the middle I really can't understand why Pogba hasn't been given a chance to prove himself? When players like Ross Barclay and Oriel Romeu are getting a crack at the whip elsewhere I don't understand the Boss' resistance to giving Pogba a run out.
 
The logic that we should play Pogba just because he can't be any worse than what we've got (see Anderson last night) doesn't really make sense to me. This is a real diamond of a young player we have here. We need to be careful and can't just throw him in the deep end and hope he learns how to swim. Remember Pique's mistake at Bolton? He never really recovered from that and lost his place in the team.

We need to be careful we don't ask too much of him, and therefore, effect his confidence. Fergie's doing the right thing imo.
 
kps88 said:
The logic that we should play Pogba just because he can't be any worse than what we've got (see Anderson last night) doesn't really make sense to me. This is a real diamond of a young player we have here. We need to be careful and can't just throw him in the deep end and hope he learns how to swim. Remember Pique's mistake at Bolton? He never really recovered from that and lost his place in the team.

We need to be careful we don't ask too much of him and therefore, effect his confidence. Fergie's doing the right thing imo.
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Very good post.
What makes a great coach is knowing when a young player is mentally ready to play for the senior squad.
 
kps88 said:
The logic that we should play Pogba just because he can't be any worse than what we've got (see Anderson last night) doesn't really make sense to me. This is a real diamond of a young player we have here. We need to be careful and can't just throw him in the deep end and hope he learns how to swim. Remember Pique's mistake at Bolton? He never really recovered from that and lost his place in the team.

We need to be careful we don't ask too much of him, and therefore, effect his confidence. Fergie's doing the right thing imo.
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The first bit is a good reminder. The bolded bit is funny as he then went on to start in probably the greatest side to ever play the game.

I think the point you should be making is - if a young player makes a mistake, you don't lay into him. You correct him and you move on. Young players make mistakes.
 
Yeah, I don't think that mistake at Bolton was the end of his United career.
 
kps88 said:
The logic that we should play Pogba just because he can't be any worse than what we've got (see Anderson last night) doesn't really make sense to me. This is a real diamond of a young player we have here. We need to be careful and can't just throw him in the deep end and hope he learns how to swim. Remember Pique's mistake at Bolton? He never really recovered from that and lost his place in the team.

We need to be careful we don't ask too much of him, and therefore, effect his confidence. Fergie's doing the right thing imo.
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yeah he's struggling at Barcelona...

The fact is, he was on his way out anyway...the reason piques a good player at a big club is because he has a strong mentality and when you are strong mentally, you won't crumble after one mistake..we had evans and were happy with that

I think we tried Wayne and for me it's not the right way to go about it because it's sending a negative message to the youth. There's no middle ground there. I'd rather we played park there or valencia but I trust sir Alex
 
“I misjudged a header and Nicolas Anelka scored for them, and we lost 1-0,” Piqué recalls. “I looked back at that day when Ferguson lost some confidence in me. He didn’t say so, but I sort of felt then I would be moving on.”

“From that day, everything changed,” writes Piqué in his autobiography El Viaje de Ida Y Vuelta (literally, ‘A back and forth trip’). “Sir Alex stopped trusting me. He has always denied that point, but it is one of those feelings one has and I know it is true."
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You lot might not think it had much of an effect on him, but he certainly did.
 
Pique does not struggle at Barca because they are so good.

Put him in the Arsenal team and he would struggle at times.
 
kps88 said:
You lot might not think it had much of an effect on him, but he certainly did.
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Evans would have been out on his arse long ago if one mistake were enough for Fergie to lose confidence in a player.
 
Siorac said:
Evans would have been out on his arse long ago if one mistake were enough for Fergie to lose confidence in a player.
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The point I'm making has nothing to do with Fergie's confidence in the player. I'm saying the player himself loses confidence and we can see this from the Pique quotes. One big mistake and he starts feeling like the managers lost faith in him, even if that's not actually the case. That's a terrible feeling to have as a young player.
 
kps88 said:
You lot might not think it had much of an effect on him, but he certainly did.
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i think he's gotten over it...At the end of the day, i'm sure the club knew there was a risk of losing him anyway, especially when barcelona showed interest. A top player simply is not that fragile and the coaches at United would know how to handle him anyway. He might have said that but who writes an autobiography at his age? lol Maybe it was just an excuse to leave?
 
kps88 said:
The point I'm making has nothing to do with Fergie's confidence in the player. I'm saying the player himself loses confidence and we can see this from the Pique quotes. One big mistake and he starts feeling like the managers lost faith in him, even if that's not actually the case. That's a terrible feeling to have as a young player.
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It's as if he has to feel it's true otherwise, the loss of confidence is solely on him. Makes sense though. When you've lost confidence, you try and find other reasons for why you've lost it other than just yourself.
 
Oustanding for the reserves tonight (the second 45 that I watched). Went off with a knock towards the end though. He outplayed Ross Barkley and looked extremely tidy. I think the consensus in the matchday thread is that he's fast becoming too good for the reserves. I've said this before, but he reminds me so much of Scholes in the way he moves the ball around the pitch.
 
pocco said:
Oustanding for the reserves tonight (the second 45 that I watched). Went off with a knock towards the end though. He outplayed Ross Barkley and looked extremely tidy. I think the consensus in the matchday thread is that he's fast becoming too good for the reserves. I've said this before, but he reminds me so much of Scholes in the way he moves the ball around the pitch.
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The defensive side of his game has really come so far this season, he's a really big unit as well, Barkley's only 17 and seems a talent but I know who looked more like a £20m midfielder out of him and Pogba. I can see where the Scholes comparison comes from too, he always seems to have the pass in his mind before he gets the ball, he has a great shot on him too. That said he's shooting has gone a bit Anderson at the moment.
 
He is a fantastic all rounder really. Has progressed alot allready this season. Starting to out-shine the other reserves. Not long till he is featuring on our bench in the first team. He also looks like he is built like a tank!
 
ArmchairCritic said:
The defensive side of his game has really come so far this season, he's a really big unit as well, Barkley's only 17 and seems a talent but I know who looked more like a £20m midfielder out of him and Pogba. I can see where the Scholes comparison comes from too, he always seems to have the pass in his mind before he gets the ball, he has a great shot on him too. That said he's shooting has gone a bit Anderson at the moment.
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One pass in particular stood out tonight. It was mayhem all around him and Everton were pressuring all our players, then he gets the ball and first time pings it 25-30 yards stright to our winger in space.
 
pocco said:
One pass in particular stood out tonight. It was mayhem all around him and Everton were pressuring all our players, then he gets the ball and first time pings it 25-30 yards stright to our winger in space.
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Sums up his composure really. One thing he seemed to do a lot tonight was move the ball away from his marker, and just launch it across the pitch.
 
Let the boy play. Let me play. Play the boy! I am sure he and Ravel were part of the reason SAF wanted to do a wait and see before really going after someone aggressively.
Let him play....!!!!!!!!
 
He's more likely to follow Cleverley's path than Rooney's. He doesn't even start Carling Cup games yet, I don't expect him to be anywhere near the first team until he's about 21/22.
 
That's what SAF has said, not ready for the loan yet, he's at the very early stages of getting sub appearances. Next season on loan at Sunderland, then he comes back and walks into the France midfield, and ours!
 
gooDevil said:
That's what SAF has said, not ready for the loan yet, he's at the very early stages of getting sub appearances. Next season on loan at Sunderland, then he comes back and walks into the France midfield, and ours!
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The way Anderson has played over the last few months he's ready to move into our Midfield.
 
give the boy his chance, I am sure he be eager to impress and get a regular place in our first-team.
 
Siorac said:
He's more likely to follow Cleverley's path than Rooney's. He doesn't even start Carling Cup games yet, I don't expect him to be anywhere near the first team until he's about 21/22.
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Why are you a united coach?
 
Siorac said:
He's more likely to follow Cleverley's path than Rooney's. He doesn't even start Carling Cup games yet, I don't expect him to be anywhere near the first team until he's about 21/22.
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Disagree with that because in the Carling Cup games we have had we needed to give minutes to more senior players like Cleverley, Giggs and Park, also I don't think he wanted to start Pogba away at Leeds and you saw how nervous he was when he did come on. It will be interesting to see how SAF continues to integrate Pogba into the first team squad but looking at his development so far this season I'd say SAF's got it spot on.
 
There was an obvious difference between his Leeds and Aldershot performances. He did look nervous against Leeds but I thought he was very good against Aldershot and looked far more confident.

It's as Les Kershaw (our scout that spotted the Da Silvas) said when commenting on the game last night, he just seems to be getting better and better each game. I think it's clicked with Pogba now where he isn't playing like a youngster anymore. His decisions are spot on and he barely loses the ball.
 
More than likely a heap if steaming flump but this article has been printed a couple of times by the tabloids already. His agent is obviously just looking for a better deal from United!!

Italians chase United midfielder

Manchester United’s Paul Pogba is in the middle of a tug-of-war between Italian giants AC Milan and Inter.

The French midfielder, 18, is refusing to sign a new deal at Old Trafford – as Football* Spy revealed – and both the Serie A clubs are looking to sign him on a pre-contract in January.

United want to hang onto Pogba, but the cash in Italy may be too great for him to resist.

Sir Alex Ferguson had Pogba on the bench for the Champions League clash with Otelul Galati in midweek, but Italian sources believe his head may be turned by bigger wages and first-team football.


United could lose Pogba for a pittance, with his low fee making him attractive to both of the Milan clubs.

Read more: Manchester United transfer gossip: Paul Pogba is target for AC Milan and Inter Milan - Transfer News - MirrorFootball.co.uk
 
Ringo 07 said:
More than likely a heap if steaming flump but this article has been printed a couple of times by the tabloids already. His agent is obviously just looking for a better deal from United!!

Italians chase United midfielder

Manchester United’s Paul Pogba is in the middle of a tug-of-war between Italian giants AC Milan and Inter.

The French midfielder, 18, is refusing to sign a new deal at Old Trafford – as Football* Spy revealed – and both the Serie A clubs are looking to sign him on a pre-contract in January.

United want to hang onto Pogba, but the cash in Italy may be too great for him to resist.

Sir Alex Ferguson had Pogba on the bench for the Champions League clash with Otelul Galati in midweek, but Italian sources believe his head may be turned by bigger wages and first-team football.


United could lose Pogba for a pittance, with his low fee making him attractive to both of the Milan clubs.

Read more: Manchester United transfer gossip: Paul Pogba is target for AC Milan and Inter Milan - Transfer News - MirrorFootball.co.uk
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Seems to me like he's in a very powerful position when it comes to negotiating his new contract. Could easily move to another top club for more money if he wanted to. Lets hope his agent isn't greedy and really has his best interests at heart.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Disagree with that because in the Carling Cup games we have had we needed to give minutes to more senior players like Cleverley, Giggs and Park, also I don't think he wanted to start Pogba away at Leeds and you saw how nervous he was when he did come on. It will be interesting to see how SAF continues to integrate Pogba into the first team squad but looking at his development so far this season I'd say SAF's got it spot on.
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That doesn't really refute my argument that we should not expect him in the first team squad until he's around 21. He's a reserve player this season, he might go out on loan next season and maybe even the season after that. I can see him getting back here as a first-team player for the 2014/15 season.
 
kps88 said:
Seems to me like he's in a very powerful position when it comes to negotiating his new contract. Could easily move to another top club for more money if he wanted to. Lets hope his agent isn't greedy and really has his best interests at heart.
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If he's as talented as people suggest then I hope we do what's necessary to keep him.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
If he's as talented as people suggest then I hope we do what's necessary to keep him.
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Am sure we will. he's a young kid, no club could offer wages we cant match. its not like he's a ronaldo that'd be offered 250k a week which we dont stand a chance of matching without breaking our structure. whatever inter or milan offer, we can match. am not really concerned.
 
Siorac said:
That doesn't really refute my argument that we should not expect him in the first team squad until he's around 21. He's a reserve player this season, he might go out on loan next season and maybe even the season after that. I can see him getting back here as a first-team player for the 2014/15 season.
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Your point was based mostly on the fact he doesn't start Carling Cup games yet but as thus he hasn't really had a chance too, to use that as basis for saying he'll follow the career trajectory of Cleverley is unfair in my opinion. For one he's looked more impressive than Cleverley did for the reserves and youth team and secondly he's foreign making it a bit more difficult to loan him out. It's all up to SAF as how he wants to integrate Pogba, so far I'd say he's got it spot on as you can see the development with each passing game in the reserves, however he seems to be outgrowing the reserves whilst we look weaker and weaker in the middle, it would surprise me if we see more and more of Pogba in and around the first team in the coming weeks and months.
 
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