Couldn't agree more if I tried. So I won't.
It's like I said earlier in this thread the anti 'PC brigade' use their vehement opposition to the so called race card to excuse their racism. Not all, obviously.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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Couldn't agree more if I tried. So I won't.
It's like I said earlier in this thread the anti 'PC brigade' use their vehement opposition to the so called race card to excuse their racism. Not all, obviously.
Clearly if this had been reversed (a) a Liverpool player accusing a United player (with a history of diving to boot) of racial abuse, and (b) a United counter-accusation involving SAF making continual public outbursts demanding harsh punishment of the Liverpool accuser - then things would have gone differently. I'd imagine SAF and the hypothetical accused United player would already be well into lengthy bans as we speak
I remember in 1997 when Ian Wright claimed Schmeichel called him a black bastard. We just said Peter never said that and we have nothing to respond to, and that's that. I don't remember if it was ever investigated, but nothing happened.
Was Ian Wright born out of wedlock?
This.
His body language towards Patrice wasn't in the slightest bit friendly. He knew it was winding Evra up and that's why he carried on. This excuse that really he was just saying "mate" or whatever is a load of nonsense.
So people are allowed to give racial abuse now? I just find it ridiculous when there's black players on Suarez's and Terry's team, shouldn't they have a word?
The handling of this case says something about all involved. It's sad and I thought it wasn't so bad.
Liverpool and KK Daglish is obviously not my favorite but their behavior in this case is beyon every expectation.
Nothing should surprise any United supporter regarding the English FA but once again I'm stunned. Their agenda is so obvious and if this reflect the public domestic view about racism its more then depressing. Is this England 2011?
And finally Suarez himself. Not a single moment of self reflection. Not one moment of hindsight. Only counter attacks and childish comments.
Not many can take some credit out of this affair. It's a huge disappointment.
Liverpool and KK Daglish is obviously not my favorite but their behavior in this case is beyon every expectation.
Nothing should surprise any United supporter regarding the English FA but once again I'm stunned. Their agenda is so obvious and if this reflect the public domestic view about racism its more then depressing. Is this England 2011?
And finally Suarez himself. Not a single moment of self reflection. Not one moment of hindsight. Only counter attacks and childish comments.
Not many can take some credit out of this affair. It's a huge disappointment.
At least Evra and SAF aren't commenting, not that many people are taking the time to notice.
which to me makes him all the more loathsome. He knew full well he was making racist remarks in an effort to wind Evra up. So he's a racist who uses it to affect an opponent's performance. Lowest of the low
Cultural barrier my foot. Suarez is a football player at the highest level. If he was some kid playing on the streets you can understand the ignorance. He's not a kid. He's playing on a world stage, earning big bucks and living the good life. He knew the relevance of his words.
The unpunished actions of the accused players and clubs, plus the inaction of the FA show that the anti-racism movement in English football has not moved on one jot. Riddled and corrupt to the core
This anti racism drive is just a fad, and a farce. Racism cannot be rooted out. But, if people are sincere, it could be controlled.
The campaign against racism is just to look nice, and to make people feel something is being done. But scratch the surface, and it is all hollow.
The campaign against racism is just to look nice, and to make people feel something is being done. But scratch the surface, and it is all hollow.
Yes and every incident is potentially a part of the solution or the problem. How those in charge respond to it determines that. A tough stance on these issues will send a strong msg out to potential offenders to think twice before indulging whereas inaction does the opposite.
What is worrying as well in this whole thing is dalglish's comments. He's the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the country. If these kind of classless and careless comments are given by Liverpools manager, what can we expect from those in charge of clubs at lower levels. The big clubs should be setting an example in matters as sensitive as these.
I agree. If you're Dalglish and say you believe Suarez's interpretations, surely it's understandable that Evra could take it the wrong way. Yet Dalglish thinks this means he needs to be punished? Under what rule exactly?
Considering how many victims of racism are afraid to come forward, this is a very dangerous attitude to hold. I'm amazed someone hasn't come out officially to speak against this idea.
Considering how many victims of racism are afraid to come forward, this is a very dangerous attitude to hold. I'm amazed someone hasn't come out officially to speak against this idea.
As I said before, if this was SAF and a United player continually ranting and calling for a Liverpool player to be punished for speaking up about racial abuse, they would already have been banned
Hard to disagree.
I'm sure most United supporters think the world is ABU, but as a Yank who started in basically neutral, as soon as I started reading the news about football it was very obvious that there's a really serious pro-Liverpool bias. I don't like to harp on it because as a United supporter no one will believe you, people think we're the ones with all the influence. But it's the people that were with Liverpool 20 years ago or 30 years ago, or watched them when they were in their pomp, that are now in positions of influence all across England's media and governing bodies.
Hopefully soon enough it will all be people who grew up with United dominating.
I'm sure most United supporters think the world is ABU, but as a Yank who started in basically neutral, as soon as I started reading the news about football it was very obvious that there's a really serious pro-Liverpool bias. I don't like to harp on it because as a United supporter no one will believe you, people think we're the ones with all the influence. But it's the people that were with Liverpool 20 years ago or 30 years ago, or watched them when they were in their pomp, that are now in positions of influence all across England's media and governing bodies.
Hopefully soon enough it will all be people who grew up with United dominating.
This is the serial diver who handballed off the line (and then celebrated after the penalty shoot-out), and bit somebody in the neck. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if he would resort to this kind of behaviour to get the upper hand.
I get all the other stuff, but I really dont get the issue relating to the handball on the line. Who wouldnt have done it and celebrated in his situation?
That doesnt make him a bad person, he isnt the first or wont be the last to do that!
That doesnt make him a bad person, he isnt the first or wont be the last to do that!
It makes him a cheat that got away with it as Ghana missed the penalty. You're right, he isn't the first and won't be the last, but it was fairly unsavoury watching it at the time. Such is life, it happens sometimes. If Rooney did it for us in the Champions League final and if the same events transpired we would be delighted whilst undoubtedly neutrals and opposition fans would feel a bit cheated.
The point being it has been demonstrated that he'll do anything to win. Can be a great thing if he plays for your team, and that's why he is a hero to Liverpool and Uruguayan fans. The majority of the time it is channelled in the right way and is of great benefit to his team. However, if it transpired that he did racially abuse Evra to wind him up and get the upper hand, I wouldn't be surprised.
I totally agree with most things on here said about Suarez, and he certainly is a cnut.
But, in regards to the handball, meh. It happens. Fair play to him and it worked.
Handballing on the line and then celebrating your team winning is a million miles away from racially abusing someome. Small time to even bring that up because I would (and I'm sure millions of others would) do the exact same thing in that position. Team goes out of the world cup or team may have a chance to stay in if I handball this???? Hmmmmm
Id be disapointed if anyone on here wouldnt do the same for thier team.
I know - plenty of others would do it, and I said we would probably all cheer it if someone did it for us. I felt very sorry for Ghana at the time, especially Gyan who'd had a really good game, but Suarez did exactly what a lot of others would have done. I was using it as a high profile example of a time he has done something extreme to get the upper hand, (pardon the pun). The impression I have of him (from that incident and from seeing his general diving and behaviour) is that he would do just about anything to win, cheating or all sorts, and it wouldn't surprise me if he did try to wind up Evra to make him lose his rag. We'll never know exactly what Materazzi said to Zidane over the headbutt incident, but it wouldn't have been very nice and I personally can imagine Suarez doing something similar to try and get an opponent sent off and get the upper hand.
Yep, he certainly looks to be reflecting on the concept of fair play here:
If he played for us and not Liverpool not one Utd fan on here would slate him for the handball.
It's not so much the handball that's the problem, mate - it's his utterly shameless attitude to what was unfair play (see pic above).
Again im just not that fussed, he played a massive hand (yes literally) for his country. He was punished for the handball, he was sent off and Ghana had a penalty. Which they missed.
Why not celebrate after?
Why not celebrate after?
Btw, I wasn't defending Sewerez in my previous post. I think he's an odious rat-faced cuntopotamus and I hope he catches his wife in bed with a black man.
Ditto. My point is that the whole handball, celebration etc is not a big deal to me.
Well, that's fair enough. It's all about opinions in the end.
Though I find it ridiculous that players can be moral enough not to celebrate a goal scored against their former club, but practically do a lap of honour when their cheating stops another team making it to the World Cup Final.
When you become a national hero for you country, maybe you react differently.
In regards to that, id have milked the celebrations too if id just done that for England!!
we are now into the 5th week since these allegations were made and recently there seems to be deafening silence from the FA in both cases (evra & ferdinand).
are there any guidelines for how long this process and investigation is likely to take?
my feeling is that the FA are dragging their heels and we will get a decision on the racism claims during a time that something else is making the headlines.
#brushedunderthecarpet.
are there any guidelines for how long this process and investigation is likely to take?
my feeling is that the FA are dragging their heels and we will get a decision on the racism claims during a time that something else is making the headlines.
#brushedunderthecarpet.
No hard evidence so not sure what you expect the FA to do
Other than the alleged use of the word negrito you mean?
i still would especially considering his celebration afterwards.
I would expect that they have interviewed the players involved and any other persons required at this stage, and having had time to consider all the facts available in the case would now after a 5 week period be in a position to make a decision on that information. There is no reason at this time why this cannot be done unless they are simply dragging their heels for one reason or another.
I'm not calling for either suarez/terry's head btw, but surely its in the interests of the game and all involved to have this issue dealt with in an appropriate timescale whatever the outcome may be.
FA spring into action re: racism claims
row over racist remark outcome (From The Northern Echo)
row over racist remark outcome (From The Northern Echo)
I think the fact the police are looking into the Terry/Ferdinand incident is mudding the water. The FA will surely wait for the result of that before making any decisions.
