He's (rightly) drawing attention to the abuse rather than ignoring it.
Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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He's (rightly) drawing attention to the abuse rather than ignoring it.
A lot of celebs retweet shocking abuse that they get. It tends to mean that the abuser gets an absolute boatload of abuse back himself.
I'd recommend that people complain to the Police about it. It doesn't take many people to complain to force them to at least look into it.
I'd recommend that people complain to the Police about it. It doesn't take many people to complain to force them to at least look into it.
Dalglish's latest comment:
'Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish has maintained that the club's support of Luis Suárez has been right and proper saying that it has not "caused trouble".
The club came in for criticism for their strongly-worded statement in the wake of the Uruguay international's eight-match ban imposed for using insulting words towards Patrice Evra, with a reference to the Manchester United player's skin colour.
When the players issued their statement prior to Wednesday's goalless draw at Wigan and wore T-shirts in the warm-up depicting an image of Suárez with his name and number seven on the back there was further outcry.
Dalglish, however, defended the club's stance in giving their full support to Suárez. "The statement couldn't have caused anyone any trouble and I don't think the players have caused any trouble with the FA either by their statement or support by their T-shirts," said the Scot.
"If we are not in any trouble we will leave it at that before we do get in any trouble."
Dalglish said Suárez had been moved by the show of support from the club and his team-mates. "He's been quite emotional and very grateful," added the Reds boss.
"I don't think it is ever a disappointment when the people you work for give you their undivided support and I think that is the least he deserves."
Liverpool are still awaiting the full written verdict of the independent commission who heard Suárez's case but are not expected to receive it until after Christmas.
The moment it does arrive the club will have 14 days to consider their response and appeal if they choose, otherwise the suspension will begin.
Dalglish, aware of how much debate was taking place about the case and the anticipated production of the written summary, said it was a matter of being patient.
"Whenever it is ready," was his reply when asked when he expected to receive the documentation.
"Most of the people have had their say, we've had our say but we will wait for the judgement and take it from there – but it won't be tomorrow.
"The club have issued the statement, the players have issued their statement visually and verbally, but we have to wait for the written report because no-one knows [what it contains].
"At this moment in time I don't think the club are permitted to go into any further detail than they have done," he concluded.'
Source:
Dalglish defends Liverpool over support of Luis Suárez | guardian.co.uk
'Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish has maintained that the club's support of Luis Suárez has been right and proper saying that it has not "caused trouble".
The club came in for criticism for their strongly-worded statement in the wake of the Uruguay international's eight-match ban imposed for using insulting words towards Patrice Evra, with a reference to the Manchester United player's skin colour.
When the players issued their statement prior to Wednesday's goalless draw at Wigan and wore T-shirts in the warm-up depicting an image of Suárez with his name and number seven on the back there was further outcry.
Dalglish, however, defended the club's stance in giving their full support to Suárez. "The statement couldn't have caused anyone any trouble and I don't think the players have caused any trouble with the FA either by their statement or support by their T-shirts," said the Scot.
"If we are not in any trouble we will leave it at that before we do get in any trouble."
Dalglish said Suárez had been moved by the show of support from the club and his team-mates. "He's been quite emotional and very grateful," added the Reds boss.
"I don't think it is ever a disappointment when the people you work for give you their undivided support and I think that is the least he deserves."
Liverpool are still awaiting the full written verdict of the independent commission who heard Suárez's case but are not expected to receive it until after Christmas.
The moment it does arrive the club will have 14 days to consider their response and appeal if they choose, otherwise the suspension will begin.
Dalglish, aware of how much debate was taking place about the case and the anticipated production of the written summary, said it was a matter of being patient.
"Whenever it is ready," was his reply when asked when he expected to receive the documentation.
"Most of the people have had their say, we've had our say but we will wait for the judgement and take it from there – but it won't be tomorrow.
"The club have issued the statement, the players have issued their statement visually and verbally, but we have to wait for the written report because no-one knows [what it contains].
"At this moment in time I don't think the club are permitted to go into any further detail than they have done," he concluded.'
Source:
Dalglish defends Liverpool over support of Luis Suárez | guardian.co.uk
The sad thing is, it's their club who have created this cauldron of hate, by attacking Evra and refusing to apologise.
Had they gone about it in a classier way, and recognised Evra's legitimate reasons for complaint, there'd be much less bile directed his way by the fans.
Goes some way to explaining retardman5's comments too. He's taking his lead from the club by attacking Evra and refusing to accept the decision or indeed the reason for complaint.
The club and a large amount of its support have utterly shamed themselves.
Can't tell right from wrong, fecking joker of a club.
He is a fecking twat.
sounds like someone has had a word in KD's ear (finally)
holy feck @that twitter comment directed at Collymore
Talk about embarrasing. Liverpool fans get a grip on yourselves
Talk about embarrasing. Liverpool fans get a grip on yourselves
It's a small bit sad to see him so fallible. Being the age I am I remember him as a superb player and how personally he took events around Hillsborough. This incarnation of shrivelled bitter reactionary is not nice. The whole club and it's great heritage is shrinking in front of our eyes.
Kenny is a real piece of shit.
Is that good or bad in street terminology? I can't keep up.
"At this moment in time I don't think the club are permitted to go into any further detail than they have done."
You mean, go further than aggressively refute the findings of an independent panel and attempt to smear Patrice Evra with unfounded allegations?
I think you shouldn't have been able to get away with going that far, but maybe that's my fault for being offended by your actions...
Completely agree. What's more, where were the Hillsborough t-shirts all those years a proper injustice took place? Was that not as important as the Suarez issue? Never mind whether that would have got Liverpool into trouble - surely one of the players, one of the managers could have risked censure for something so wrong, for so long...
I think that's about the third time they've said they'll stop talking about it, only to talk about it again later.
Totally agree with you.
Our bluenose brothers seem to be on our side. This just proves Suarez and Liverpool are wrong as those guys can't agree with us on anything normally!
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Seen a few posts in that thread and moomba's been bang on. He's on another forum I'm on as well and we've been having the same argument with LFC supporters.
This is getting beyond a joke now. Footballing matters aside I fail to understand why the seeming majority of Liverpool fans, club officials and players fail to see what has happened here.
Deep down I think they do know, but for whatever reason think it is acceptable to behave the way they are doing. The club has alienated itself to a level which I now feel is beyond repair. The press releases, t-shirts and comments from current and past people associated with the club are embarrassing, ignorant and nothing short of a disgrace.
The facts of the case are fairly simple. Suarez has accepted using a word which he did not think was offensive. It was used on multiple occasions and not in a friendly manner. We all watched the game, we could all see how angry Evra was. Suarez used the word to rile Evra, get under his skin - as a form of oneupmanship. That is wrong. He is playing football in England, just as he has in Europe and on the world stage for a number of years. He is surely not that ignorant that he fails to see why using the word he has is unacceptable otherwise why would he use it during a dispute with another player?
The committee that sat the hearing was independent and agreed upon by both clubs. It also contained a QC. Suarez was charged then after several days deliberation, found guilty. I am quite confident that there is clear evidence, including Suarez's own admissions, that the appropriate punishment has been handed out. For Liverpool FC, after such a hearing, to openly release a statement making defamatory comments about Patrice Evra and his credibility is disgusting and disrespectful. The club is setting itself up for an even bigger fall when the FA release the findings from the hearing and the panels reasoning for reaching such a decision and to be honest I hope it comes plummeting down on them due to the way they have acted throughout this whole affair.
From day one Kenny Dalglish has not been able to keep his mouth shut making various references about the incident before the FA had even looked at the case. Manchester United, on the other hand, have behaved impeccably throughout and that goes to everyone associated to the club past and present.
Wearing Suarez t-shirts at Wigan the other night was in very poor taste all things considered, and another PR nightmare from the club. The better thing to have done would have been to send the squad out in "Kick Racism Out Of Football" shirts, but for Liverpool Football Club at the moment everything seems to be about themselves and Luis Suarez. Nothing else really matters.
I have always had a respect for Liverpool as a club due to their history, and even more so due to the tragedy that has struck both our club and theirs. Unfortunately, this whole affair has left a bitter taste in mine and many others mouths, one which I feel is beyond repair.
Deep down I think they do know, but for whatever reason think it is acceptable to behave the way they are doing. The club has alienated itself to a level which I now feel is beyond repair. The press releases, t-shirts and comments from current and past people associated with the club are embarrassing, ignorant and nothing short of a disgrace.
The facts of the case are fairly simple. Suarez has accepted using a word which he did not think was offensive. It was used on multiple occasions and not in a friendly manner. We all watched the game, we could all see how angry Evra was. Suarez used the word to rile Evra, get under his skin - as a form of oneupmanship. That is wrong. He is playing football in England, just as he has in Europe and on the world stage for a number of years. He is surely not that ignorant that he fails to see why using the word he has is unacceptable otherwise why would he use it during a dispute with another player?
The committee that sat the hearing was independent and agreed upon by both clubs. It also contained a QC. Suarez was charged then after several days deliberation, found guilty. I am quite confident that there is clear evidence, including Suarez's own admissions, that the appropriate punishment has been handed out. For Liverpool FC, after such a hearing, to openly release a statement making defamatory comments about Patrice Evra and his credibility is disgusting and disrespectful. The club is setting itself up for an even bigger fall when the FA release the findings from the hearing and the panels reasoning for reaching such a decision and to be honest I hope it comes plummeting down on them due to the way they have acted throughout this whole affair.
From day one Kenny Dalglish has not been able to keep his mouth shut making various references about the incident before the FA had even looked at the case. Manchester United, on the other hand, have behaved impeccably throughout and that goes to everyone associated to the club past and present.
Wearing Suarez t-shirts at Wigan the other night was in very poor taste all things considered, and another PR nightmare from the club. The better thing to have done would have been to send the squad out in "Kick Racism Out Of Football" shirts, but for Liverpool Football Club at the moment everything seems to be about themselves and Luis Suarez. Nothing else really matters.
I have always had a respect for Liverpool as a club due to their history, and even more so due to the tragedy that has struck both our club and theirs. Unfortunately, this whole affair has left a bitter taste in mine and many others mouths, one which I feel is beyond repair.
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I mean it in the nicest possible way.
I love the creationist side-track... of all the pointless pursuits you could engage in, engaging a creationist in debate on a web forum must be about top.
"If you do the usual google you can find countless professional bodies to back up any side of the argument"
Yep, the jury is pretty 50-50 on the old evolution business.
still waiting for one person employed by, or connected to liverpool football club to acknowledge that there is a man on the other side of this situation who feels he has been racially abused and that there is some sympathy for his situation however accidental or misinterpretated they feel it is. time to give up on the wait I suppose. what a shower of classless smalltime geebags
The problem is, the tribe mentality; blind loyalty even when they're wrong. who was it who said that the only thing for evil to perpetuate is for good men to do nothing?
Who was it who said about feeling sorry for Suarez?
While I find it impossible tio actually find a grain of sympathy for the little shit, I know where that poster was coming from. It's got to the stage where LFC and their fans are doing his reputation no good at all with this constant focus on whether or not he is a racist.
You'd naturally assume he isn't, but if you bang on about it enough, people might start to believe it.
It's like me publically saying "Hey, I know everybody thinks Mockney's a Paedo, but I don't think he is"... it's how rumours start. And shit sticks.
While I find it impossible tio actually find a grain of sympathy for the little shit, I know where that poster was coming from. It's got to the stage where LFC and their fans are doing his reputation no good at all with this constant focus on whether or not he is a racist.
You'd naturally assume he isn't, but if you bang on about it enough, people might start to believe it.
It's like me publically saying "Hey, I know everybody thinks Mockney's a Paedo, but I don't think he is"... it's how rumours start. And shit sticks.
Um, surely that's not good enough. Every Nazi in the world will just post endless drivel on Twitter and it stays up for all time?
The question for me is this, is Kenny Dalglish really that ignorant to believe they are in the right and Suarez has done nothing wrong or is he backing his player at all costs regardless of the consequences and knowing he is guilty?
Similar to the sunderland thread, have a geeze at this one. Idiocy on this isn't limited to just the northern hemisphere it seems
Suarez charged with racism by the FA - BigFooty
Suarez charged with racism by the FA - BigFooty
As far as I know, if a law's been broken they will assist the police. Surely this wualifies as racial harrassment?
I imagine he's been convinced by Suarez's protestations of innocence - nothing surprising or especially wrong there, seeing as Suarez is a colleague of Dalglish's and - let's face it - in a similar position, we'd all like to believe our colleague is telling the truth to us. However, Suarez is arguably Liverpool's best player, and best hope of future success; so, for Dalglish, backing Suarez is 'win-win' in his eyes.
I love the creationist side-track... of all the pointless pursuits you could engage in, engaging a creationist in debate on a web forum must be about top.
"If you do the usual google you can find countless professional bodies to back up any side of the argument"
Yep, the jury is pretty 50-50 on the old evolution business.
Chill out fella.
Are you aware that Dalglish attended the hearing in person and told them that Suarez used the word 'negro'?
Reading between the lines, and bearing in mind Liverpool's fury at the verdict, I believe Suarez, KD & co more-or-less 'came clean' during the hearing & therefore expected the panel/FA to act relatively leniently because of this 'cooperation' (in a similar way to a court reducing a sentence as a result of plea-bargaining or a partial admission of guilt on the accused's part). It didn't work out that way though, hence LFC's outrage. They feel betrayed but, basically, they've been naive; they gave the panel ammunition, in the form of absolutely vital evidence.
D'you think he's realised he might be in trouble?
Whichever way you look at it Liverpool have caused an outpour of racism towards someone who's only crime is believing they were racially abused.
I just don't get the mentality of these fans and I don't understand what they're arguing. Half of them are saying Evra is a liar for reporting something Suarez has admitted and then the other half are arguing Evra was wrong to report Suarez for saying the word Negrito? So what do they do they, they go out and racially abuse?!?
Liverpool have idolised someone charged with racism and made those who harbour similar views step forward to defend their own.
I just don't get the mentality of these fans and I don't understand what they're arguing. Half of them are saying Evra is a liar for reporting something Suarez has admitted and then the other half are arguing Evra was wrong to report Suarez for saying the word Negrito? So what do they do they, they go out and racially abuse?!?
Liverpool have idolised someone charged with racism and made those who harbour similar views step forward to defend their own.
I am absolutely gobsmacked by the vile stupidity if the people posting on Collymore's twitter. It must be illegal, it must be racial harrassment and I think unless Liverpool Footcall Club make a statement to put a stop to it, they are complicit and culpable. This is like the dark ages
Seems like he's having a Fawlty Towers moment to me...
'We said it once, I dont think anyone noticed, if we dont say it again we might just get away with it.'