Berbatov | Fulham player

Saliph said:
Is his face. No matter what he does you're very quick to 'put things into perspective', in a way you're not if it's Welbeck, Hernandez or Rooney.
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Nar mate, read back in the thread, Berba and Rooney had had enough time to prove otherwise to me. And considering a player of Berba's talent sits more often than not on the bench these days, I'd say SAF agrees.

And the bolded part is pure bollox, I'm Rooney's biggest critic on here. And I had many a debate last year with the likes of Pogue about not getting over excited with Welbeck's loan performances.

So pure nonsense really, although it suits you better to think that way I'm sure.
 
I didn't think he played that well to be honest, apart from his second goal which was outstanding. Hes played better and not scored. Such is the life of a striker I suppose.
 
KM said:
Looking forward to all the outrage by Randall, Sharky and rest if Berbatov didn't start the next match after scoring a hattrick.
I'm expecting the same level of outrage when Tevez didn't start the next match after 4 goals against Blackburn.
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KM I think you may be slightly obsessive with me

I bumped this thread tonight saying I was very pleased with him.

And yes I think he should get another go at Blackburn too. But I will want to see Welbeck back at Newcastle
 
EricaNo7 said:
Why can't some of you just give him the credit he deserves for scoring a hat trick ?
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Typical Erica.

I gave him MOTM, I said I loved that they let him have the pen, I said he should defo start the next game. What more credit do you want?

The only reason I said to put things into perspective was because all of a sudden that today proved:

a) he's better than Welbeck
b) he's too good to be on the bench

So get off your bloody highhorse Erica ffs.
 
Edmeiste said:
Dont you get it? He has to do it against the Arsenals, Chelseas, Spurs, Evertons, and the Newcastles of this world to even have a chance.
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He scored against all of these teams for us minus Arsenal. I don't get it, he scores a hatrick and people will downplay it as much as possible. Welbeck is a promising player but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. He's scored 4 league goals, Berbatov has done the same in 95 minutes. Credit where it's due i think. He deserves it after being frozen out for so long.
 
Sharky7 said:
Typical Erica.

I gave him MOTM, I said I loved that they let him have the pen, I said he should defo start the next game. What more credit do you want?

The only reason I said to put things into perspective was because all of a sudden that today proved:

a) he's better than Welbeck
b) he's too good to be on the bench

So get off your bloody highhorse Erica ffs.
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I doubt she was referring exclusively to you.
 
Sharky7 said:
Typical Erica.

I gave him MOTM, I said I loved that they let him have the pen, I said he should defo start the next game. What more credit do you want?

The only reason I said to put things into perspective was because all of a sudden that today proved:

a) he's better than Welbeck
b) he's too good to be on the bench

So get off your bloody highhorse Erica ffs.
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A - I'm not on a highhorse
B- Did I say " why can't sharky give him the credit he deserves ? "

Guilty much?
 
EricaNo7 said:
A - I'm not on a highhorse
B- Did I say " why can't sharky give him the credit he deserves ? "

Guilty much?
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Because what you aren't understanding Erica is that, like me, the people you are telling off are replying to silly posts about what today proves!

READ ERICA! it helps.
 
Boss said:
Agenda posters.

I find it amusing to be honest.
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Agenda posters?

Ok then, a question for you Boss.

Had Macheda started today and scored a hat-trick against 10men Wigan, would it have proven:

a) that Macheda is better than Welbeck

and

b) that Macheda is too good to sit on the bench

"Agenda" is the word. :smirk:
 
Orton said:
He scored against all of these teams for us minus Arsenal. I don't get it, he scores a hatrick and people will downplay it as much as possible. Welbeck is a promising player but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. He's scored 4 league goals, Berbatov has done the same in 95 minutes. Credit where it's due i think. He deserves it after being frozen out for so long.
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my post was tongue in cheek
 
Saliph said:
Sharky on the defensive.

This should be fun :)
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:)

Today proved what most of us already know, we have an excellent striker waiting on the bench. The only thing for people to get touchy about are any posters that are desperate for us to sell Berbatov, because quite frankly, having a player like that as back-up for Rooney and who seems happy to play that role is superb for us.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
I think you should do your own research - I was just helping you understand Erica's post. :smirk: READ Sharky, it helps.
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I read, and everyone who seems to be saying anything that Erica may have a gripe against is also giving Berba credit, so I'm confused. That's usually the case with Erica in all fairness.
 
Sharky7 said:
I read, and everyone who seems to saying anything that Erica may have a gripe against is also giving Berba credit, so I'm confused. That's usually the case with Erica in all fairness.
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There's certainly a fair few posters in this thread, today, who've said something along the lines of 'Good performance today but such and such is still better' or 'I hope such and such starts the next game instead of him...'

I guess Erica means it would be nice if people just recognised the performance today without qualifying it...
 
I haven't seen those in fairness? and I've tried looking back, maybe I'm all :wenger:

What I saw when I looked back is people replying to posts like "this proves he's better than Welbeck", "this is why he's too good to sit on the bench". And to be fair, these comments are more than debatable. Without those comments I don't think the would be any "quantifying" of anything.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
I still think he looks a better player when he is the main player up front or when Rooney isn't around as he normally assumes that mantle. That will be difficult for him as we're never really going to drop Rooney in a big match.
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Yeah I've made this argument many times, I much prefer him in the team when Rooney isn't in it. He takes so much more onto himself without Rooney around.
 
Sharky7 said:
I haven't seen those in fairness? and I've tried looking back, maybe I'm all :wenger:

What I saw when I looked back is people replying to posts like "this proves he's better than Welbeck", "this is why he's too good to sit on the bench". And to be fair, these comments are more than debatable. Without those comments I don't think the would be any "quantifying" of anything.
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And what's wrong with saying that? There's a hell of a lot of talent in Berbatov - not seeing him playing every week as a loss to the PL. Comments like that are to be expected when he gets a rare chance and scores a hat trick...
 
You're unable to give him anything other than backhanded compliments, which is what we're all reacting to.

Yes, you're a littile bit Wenger: :(

I've had 15 beers though, so right now I hate you more than I usuallly do.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
And what's wrong with saying that? There's a hell of a lot of talent in Berbatov - not seeing him playing every week as a loss to the PL. Comments like that are to be expected when he gets a rare chance and scores a hat trick...
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Nothing wrong in saying that.

But of course that sparks debate. And people like Erica should understand that. Berba got credit, but claim he's better or more deserved of a start than Welbeck after today and people will debate it... what's wrong with that?
 
Sharky7 said:
Nothing wrong in saying that.

But of course that sparks debate. And people like Erica should understand that. Berba got credit, but claim he's better or more deserved of a start than Welbeck after today and people will debate it... what's wrong with that?
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Well, simply that it would be nice to give Berbatov some much deserved credit without qualifying it by saying you'd rather he wasn't around to inhibit the development of others. He's so obviously good enough in his own right to start for United whenever SAF chooses him that it's a bit of a piss take to say he's getting in the way of others.
 
Saliph said:
You're unable to give him anything other than backhanded compliments, which is what we're all reacting to.

Yes, you're a littile bit Wenger: :(

I've had 15 beers though, so right now I hate you more than I usuallly do.
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Just 15? it's boxing day you gay.

And I give him enough compliments.

Personally I think the problem lies with the likes of you that can't understand that things haven't always gone as hoped for him here, and take every mention of that as a "negative backhanded compliment", rather than what it is, the truth.
 
I am surprised that anyone thinks Welbeck is a better player than Berbatov.

Whether Welbeck deserves to play alongside Rooney instead of Berbatov, though, is very much up for debate, IMO.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Well, simply that it would be nice to give Berbatov some much deserved credit without qualifying it by saying you'd rather he wasn't around to inhibit the development of others. He's so obviously good enough in his own right to start for United whenever SAF chooses him that it's a bit of a piss take to say he's getting in the way of others.
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I don't understand what this reply had to do with my post?

I said, posters responded to comments that sparked debate. Had it been Hernandez who scored a hat-trick and posts appeared saying, "see, he's better than Welbeck"... then this would also have started a debate would it not?

Erica and the rest shouldn't be so touchy.
 
I don't understand the argument about players inhibiting the development of others, especially if it's an older player being accused of it. The young ones will get their chance if they're good enough, and if the older players can do a job for the team, what's the problem? It might matter more if 'the inhibiting player' was being selected week in, week out, without any return for it, but if they're scoring goals what's the problem? I don't care who scores as long as someone does.
 
Sharky7 said:
Just 15? it's boxing day you gay.

And I give him enough compliments.

Personally I think the problem lies with the likes of you that can't understand that things haven't always gone as hoped for him here, and take every mention of that as a "negative backhanded compliment", rather than what it is, the truth.
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Pints though

I just want you to know that I hate you.... more than I usually do. I usually hate you, but not as much.
 
Welbeck has already done enough in matches of more significance than 10 men Wigan to get the nod ahead of Berbatov for now.

The fact that Berbatov is a better player than Welbeck is a bit irrelevant for me has the latter is better suited to the team.
 
Berbatov has gone and scored three well taken goals, and if it was so easy to do against a "10 man Wigan" then Rooney would have ended the season with 60 bloody league goals. It's not, and those were very fine goals in deed.

However, I can understand Ferguson selecting Welbeck, because I think he brings more to our overall fluidity, and works harder tracking back. As well as being a decent goal scorer and one who makes things happen.

What this does though is create competition, and that's a fine thing. Hernandez looks a little bit off form, so three in-form strikers surely is a good thing.
 
Saliph said:
I just want you to know that I hate you.... more than I usually do. I usually hate you, but not as much.
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And at Christmas too, if anything you should hate me less over the "holidays". (and please imagine me saying "holidays", in the most annoying female squeaky American accent possible, that should be the icing on the cake).
 
Sharky7 said:
And at Christmas too, if anything you should hate me less over the "holidays". (and please imagine me saying "holidays", in the most annoying female squeaky American accent possible, that should be the icing on the cake).
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I meant to say 'love'.



Maybe not, but still..
 
marjen said:
What this does though is create competition, and that's a fine thing. Hernandez looks a little bit off form, so three in-form strikers surely is a good thing.
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Hernandez does look off doesn't he, I mean he didn't even look for half a second like scoring today, I've never seen that from him.

Having 3 strikers in form is great news for us, especially coupled with the obvious threat of Hernandez from the bench.
 
It seems inherently with fans, especially on here, it's hard not to discuss the implications of a good performance. We're so used to dissecting everything from the top down we just cant help ourselves. Although, I've also noticed, for the players that play long stretches in the team tend to have less debate about them unless they're putting in inconsistent performances (Rooney on occasion).

It's an interesting phenomenon on here and with Berbatov, these type of comments will always be around until he's gone.
 
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