Evra accuses Suarez of racist remarks | Suarez guilty of racial abuse
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I honestly hope we never resort to such chants.
They have nothing to do with football.
Aye.
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I'm sure they're referring to the 'The Sun was right, you're murderers' chant?
Agree it's in bad taste but it was sang once and not for a long time either. But it's something that will never stop I'm afraid. What's the point in getting outraged by it? How may plane gestures were those cnuts doing? Swings and roundabouts.....
Agree it's in bad taste but it was sang once and not for a long time either. But it's something that will never stop I'm afraid. What's the point in getting outraged by it? How may plane gestures were those cnuts doing? Swings and roundabouts.....
Standard Chartered have released a statement expressing their disappointment over Saturday's events.
Has anyone seen this shower of shite on Facebook..
I don't even know where to start
I don't even know where to start
Owners intervene on Suarez but player power rules
David Bond
Monday, 13 February 2012
BBC - David Bond: Owners intervene on Suarez but player power rules
Sunday's series of apologies from Liverpool following Luis Suarez's refusal to shake Patrice Evra's hand at the weekend suggest the club and their American owners have finally got the message.
But many would argue it has taken John Henry and Tom Werner way too long to realise the damage being done to the club. In fact, it says a lot about the global nature of the Premier League that it took a couple of critical pieces in US newspapers for Henry and Werner to demand a bit of contrition from Suarez and Kenny Dalglish.
It also makes you wonder why it required an intervention from these supposedly distant American owners to point out the need for Liverpool's star player and manager to come out and say sorry.
As a result of both the Suarez/Evra row and the John Terry affair, this season's racism back story has become so shameful that the Prime Minister feels the need to intervene and hold a summit with the game's authorities.
David Cameron had initially called them together to discuss ways of tackling homophobia. Now, thanks to these two random but high-profile cases, racism will now be on the agenda.
Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt told me that the government believes football has the power to send a message to wider society about these sensitive issues. But while there is something laudable in Cameron and Hunt getting involved and reminding the game of the example it sets younger people in Britain, campaigners I speak to question how much good it will actually do.
That's because until football clubs - not the Football Association nor the Premier League - are prepared to tackle their players, then all this will continue to feel pretty hollow.
It has taken four months for Liverpool to admonish Suarez publicly. And only because he refused to shake the hand of Evra. This has nothing to do with the Uruguayan calling his Manchester United rival a "negro".
And even though Terry has been stripped of the England captaincy pending his trial for allegedly racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, Chelsea continue to stand by their captain. Innocent until proven guilty, I hear you cry. But in many other walks of life, an employee would be suspended by their employer until the outcome of a criminal trial.
This is ultimately about player power. Dalglish wanted to do everything he could to keep Suarez at Anfield. As for Terry, his situation is different but there is no question that Chelsea do not want to get into a major dispute with the centre-half.
Clubs invest millions in their community programmes and act with severity when fans step out of line. Now they need to do the same with their players and managers.
Liverpool's actions on Sunday are a start.
David Bond
Monday, 13 February 2012
BBC - David Bond: Owners intervene on Suarez but player power rules
Sunday's series of apologies from Liverpool following Luis Suarez's refusal to shake Patrice Evra's hand at the weekend suggest the club and their American owners have finally got the message.
But many would argue it has taken John Henry and Tom Werner way too long to realise the damage being done to the club. In fact, it says a lot about the global nature of the Premier League that it took a couple of critical pieces in US newspapers for Henry and Werner to demand a bit of contrition from Suarez and Kenny Dalglish.
It also makes you wonder why it required an intervention from these supposedly distant American owners to point out the need for Liverpool's star player and manager to come out and say sorry.
As a result of both the Suarez/Evra row and the John Terry affair, this season's racism back story has become so shameful that the Prime Minister feels the need to intervene and hold a summit with the game's authorities.
David Cameron had initially called them together to discuss ways of tackling homophobia. Now, thanks to these two random but high-profile cases, racism will now be on the agenda.
Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt told me that the government believes football has the power to send a message to wider society about these sensitive issues. But while there is something laudable in Cameron and Hunt getting involved and reminding the game of the example it sets younger people in Britain, campaigners I speak to question how much good it will actually do.
That's because until football clubs - not the Football Association nor the Premier League - are prepared to tackle their players, then all this will continue to feel pretty hollow.
It has taken four months for Liverpool to admonish Suarez publicly. And only because he refused to shake the hand of Evra. This has nothing to do with the Uruguayan calling his Manchester United rival a "negro".
And even though Terry has been stripped of the England captaincy pending his trial for allegedly racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, Chelsea continue to stand by their captain. Innocent until proven guilty, I hear you cry. But in many other walks of life, an employee would be suspended by their employer until the outcome of a criminal trial.
This is ultimately about player power. Dalglish wanted to do everything he could to keep Suarez at Anfield. As for Terry, his situation is different but there is no question that Chelsea do not want to get into a major dispute with the centre-half.
Clubs invest millions in their community programmes and act with severity when fans step out of line. Now they need to do the same with their players and managers.
Liverpool's actions on Sunday are a start.
I want one!! Love it.
I don't even own a Manchester united jersey these days but I'd but one os those and wear it.
Think our match going fans should wear it for rest of season to replace the G&G from last year!
I agree, however, from a purely factual standpoint, Hillsborough was a tragedy caused in large part by bad policing. Heysel was a tragedy caused in large part by violent L**erpool supporters.
Personally I would hope that United supporters have more class than to refer to either incident given how much media confusion there is over chants and the constant attempt to equate the two clubs fans' behaviour.
My sad realisation that they don't comes with 40 years of support for United through thick and thin.
Aaaanyway, I just think it would have been much better if Rio had put his hand up to the bridge of his nose to push up some non existant glasses like Eric Morecame rather than shake Suarez's hand...
Ah bless. Liverpool fans have had enough of being in the spotlight now.
After months of Liverpool FC, KKK, his entire squad (the t-shirts) and his racist player issuing statement after statement after statement; fanning the flames to keep the story alive and this whilst whilst Manchester United, its manager and Patrice Evra who was judged by a expert and highly qualified independent body of being racially abused, did not say a word.
After months of internet trolling espousing racist language and condoning the use of racist language, the the moment of cold reality has hit the fan, the poor lambs have had enough.
Not nice being picked on, is it? Like the bully in the playground who has just been sorted out by somebody in the year group above, now they cant take it anymore.
Liverpool Football Club. Once great, now a sham.
No matter about who was at fault for either either tragedy or even what cretins from other clubs choose to rave about our tragedies, celebrating and mocking the death of innocent people who died when just going to watch a game of football is disgusting behaviour and should have zero tolerance.
Its gone on too long and unchecked at our club. DogLeash may call it 'banter' but he of all people should now better, given the extraordinary humane and beautiful way he conducted himself in the Hillsborough aftermath.
But if he cant do it, we should show him the way: Manchester United should issue life bans to anybody caught singing such toxic and uncouth bile in its premises. Zero tolerance, no compromise, guilty until proven innocent.
Just my view.
I'm sick of hearing about fictitious Hillsborough chanting. Surely there would be youtube vids of it if it was that common place?
I'm sure an incredibly pathetic minority resort to it but nowhere near as much as they try and make out surely?
I'm sure an incredibly pathetic minority resort to it but nowhere near as much as they try and make out surely?
Quite an insightful post I found on RAWK. Think there is alot of truth in what he says.
If this 'incredibly pathetic minority' exists, they should be found and banned for life. Simple.
Some good points but ruined it at the end when it says we all love Suarez. Nobody loves a racist
Has anyone seen this shower of shite on Facebook..
I don't even know where to start
Anyone who doesnt see what is wrong there doesnt get racism at all.
Alan Hansen: Hopefully, Evra will also come out and with a similar statement so that we can all draw a line under this.
Luis Suarez stupidity has wounded Kenny Dalglish but healing process is now beginning - Telegraph
What would Evra have to say?
Luis Suarez stupidity has wounded Kenny Dalglish but healing process is now beginning - Telegraph
What would Evra have to say?
no problem with anything he says.
The reason we don't respect Suarez has nothing to do with his passion. It has everything to do with him sinking so low as to use racist language to try and get a player to retaliate and thus get sent off...and to completely deny That is what he tried to do and feel it was highly inappropriate for the person being abused to complain about it to the authorities.
...and to feel Suarez is the agrieved party in all this.
He still hasn't apologised to Evra
I want to apologize to Manchester United fans, the manager and my fellow players for celebrating our latest win.
Really? Is that why he's bent over so readily the second the Americans tell him too?
Is that why he did what was 'right' for Suarez at first, not thinking about the consequences for Liverpool fc? Is that why he continually takes on the stupid questions from the likes of Shreeves, yet still comes out looking like a monumental idiot? Is that why he has quit every management job he's had?
But hey, let's all pretend Klan leader Kenny is a rock, not a booze-soaked dinosaur who lacks both common sense and the ability to pick a decent player. Let's all pretend he knows and does what is right for Liverpool, when he deliberately made sure Suarez was back for OT and playing him from the start when even Stevie Wonder could see that was always going to be a huge mistake. Finally, let's all pretend he hasn't pissed on his own reputation by backing a lying cheating racial abusing scumbag who's been at the club for less than a 100th of the time the entire club has existed, yet has put first before everything.
he means besides that.
A statement saying what?
"I apologise for celebrating an important win over our rivals, for being racially abused".
Anybody reckon Evra will be fined by FA for his "Nevilleque" celebration while Suarez will get off scott-free.
If there is a God he would let the FA fine bucktooth with various transgressions and let Era off, just so we can watch rawk implode taking half of merseyside with it.
From Rickflairandy on RAWK
Never mind the baseless grounds for legal action, but after EVERYTHING that has gone on up to and including the non handshake and the apologies by Liverpool I find it incredible that one of their fans still spurts this defensive point of view.
Never mind the baseless grounds for legal action, but after EVERYTHING that has gone on up to and including the non handshake and the apologies by Liverpool I find it incredible that one of their fans still spurts this defensive point of view.
Brainwashed idiots. That's why they keep spouting this shite
I guess we're kinda lucky to have them (the Liverpool fans), in a way they show us where bias,hatred and stupidity would lead us.
I think it's the same for any fan of any team, to be fair. We'll all defend our players.
I'm sure if the tables were turned, Man Utd fans - the vast majority, at least - would defend their player. And i'd fully expect them to.
I don't think anyone doubts that Suarez said something (originally, in Oct) but what upset the player, the manager and the fans was that he was found guilty based on probability, rather than factual evidence. Evra's original claim that tv camera's would back up the allegation that Suarez said a word 'at least 10 times' wasn't substantiated. No one appeared to offer a reliable witness statement either. That's why Liverpool fans, manager etc were unhappy about the ban.
But it's gone too far now. The best thing Liverpool could have done after accepting the ban was to shut up. Suarez should have shaken Evra's hand and moved on.
As Gary Neville said, these teams should hate each other. But it should be for football reasons only. I've no personal malice towards Man Utd fans. Why would I? They have the same feelings, go through the same emotions as me, just with a different team.
Hopefully we can all move on, and the rivalary will be football based again next season, but sadly, i think it'll take a while for that to happen.
LFC fans are only defending a racist because of your backwards retard manager.
Fergie would never handle the situation like Dalglish has done if the tables were turned, as you say.
And Fergie has nowhere near the same sway over our fans' opinion, as seen by his backing of the Glazers.
There's a personality cult around Dalglish at LFC and he has subsequently almost singlehandedly led this disaster.
His sense of injustice must be raging!
"Yeah I did it, but your evidence is shit"
Anyway, didn't he admit it?
We've had this debate here a number of times recently, Greg. Even if we put all club bias aside, Suarez's explanation of events strains credibility - the common sense conclusion is that he knew what he was up to all along; this, alongside Liverpool's conduct, is why so many fans of other clubs regard Suarez as guilty and his club's behaviour as hapless & self-interested.
He was found guilty on the fact that he admitted to using a certain word, and the context in which he used said word clearly wasn't friendly as he led people to believe.
In the biggest match in English football, two main rivals, of course the context in which he used the word was seen quite rightly as negative.
I do agree though that this won't go away anytime soon, it will take a good while for this whole thing to be a distant memory.
Like others have said, I think the support for Suarez from the manager went too far, which created a siege mentality among the fans, and partly led to Evra getting booed at Anfield. I agree with the rest of your post, it's been a tedious few months behind us and I want it to be only about the football. Hopefully Suarez has learnt a lesson from all this
I don't think United fans would be quite as myopic as Liverpool fans have been on this issue, not because United fans are inherently more sane or sensible that Liverpool, but because United wouldn't handle it in the same way. Dalglish has a cult of personality at Liverpool, legendary player, last manager to win them the League, seen as a hero after Hillsborough, seen as a saviour for coming in after the Woyvolution - what he is to that club is unmatched by anyone, at United and perhaps at any other club, he's next to God for them.
If we had a figure like that in our club, and he backed our player absolutely unequivocally, the vast majority of our fans would behave in a very similar way to how the Liverpool fans have done with regard to Suarez. They'd be wrong to, but they'd still do it. It's the only explanation as far as I can see without resorting to bullshit stereotypes about victims or taking RAWK's conspiracy nuts as being representative of the Liverpool fanbase.
5 years ago, before Benitez's 'Fachts' lunacy and before he brought the nutcase Dalglsih back to the club, I don't think we'd have seen anything like the sort of stuff we've seen here. The unequivocal widespread support for Suarez, the vilification of Evra at Anfield, the racial abuse in the two FA Cup ties, the conspiracies over the FA's report, and the forensic analysis of the handshake, there'd have been elements of it, but it wouldn't have been anywhere near as widespread.
If we had a figure like that in our club, and he backed our player absolutely unequivocally, the vast majority of our fans would behave in a very similar way to how the Liverpool fans have done with regard to Suarez. They'd be wrong to, but they'd still do it. It's the only explanation as far as I can see without resorting to bullshit stereotypes about victims or taking RAWK's conspiracy nuts as being representative of the Liverpool fanbase.
5 years ago, before Benitez's 'Fachts' lunacy and before he brought the nutcase Dalglsih back to the club, I don't think we'd have seen anything like the sort of stuff we've seen here. The unequivocal widespread support for Suarez, the vilification of Evra at Anfield, the racial abuse in the two FA Cup ties, the conspiracies over the FA's report, and the forensic analysis of the handshake, there'd have been elements of it, but it wouldn't have been anywhere near as widespread.
To be fair Greg, Kenny was spouting aggressive crap way before the ban was announced, in fact he was coming out with unwise statements before the FA had even charged Luis.
Are Manchester United a cult like Liverpool? No? Well then piss off with the 'you'd all act the same' nonsense.
We also don't have the victim complex, nor a manager who who act like a child whilst not fully grasping the situation. Oh and we have a legal department that can read and write.
You scousers can paint it any whichever way you like, but it doesn't change any of the facts. You know what those are right? Didn't think so.