Well I think he had a few selection headaches but for the wrong reasons.
"Who the feck can I play in midfield today? Scholsey you still fit enough to play? Alright that's solved then."
Shinji Kagawa | Signs for Manchester United
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Well I think he had a few selection headaches but for the wrong reasons.
"Who the feck can I play in midfield today? Scholsey you still fit enough to play? Alright that's solved then."
Shinji Kagawa's transfer to Manchester United from Borussia Dortmund for a total of €22m (£17.m) has moved closer but the midfielder has yet to agree personal terms and sign for the club.
The Japanese midfielder is back in his homeland and it is understood that Thomas Kroth, the 23-year-old's agent, travelled there from Germany in the past few days to discuss the move.
An initial bid of €18m from United was rejected last week but Dortmund have now reportedly agreed a fee that will be worth €22m with add-ons for a player who cost them just €350,000 from the Japanese club Cerezo Osaka.
The United manager Sir Alex Ferguson watched Kagawa a fortnight ago when he scored in Dortmund's 5-2 win over Bayern Munich in the German Cup final. He scored 13 goals in 31 league games as Dortmund won the Bundesliga from Bayern by eight points and he fits the profile currently adhered to by United of a young player who could improve and not cost a premium price.
Kagawa currently earns a modest salary of between €750,000 to €1m and was offered up to €2.5m to re-sign for Dortmund. But as he is intent on playing in the Premier League it is not thought his wage demands to join United will prove a stumbling block.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/29/shinji-kagawa-manchester-united-dortmund?CMP=twt_gu
The Japanese midfielder is back in his homeland and it is understood that Thomas Kroth, the 23-year-old's agent, travelled there from Germany in the past few days to discuss the move.
An initial bid of €18m from United was rejected last week but Dortmund have now reportedly agreed a fee that will be worth €22m with add-ons for a player who cost them just €350,000 from the Japanese club Cerezo Osaka.
The United manager Sir Alex Ferguson watched Kagawa a fortnight ago when he scored in Dortmund's 5-2 win over Bayern Munich in the German Cup final. He scored 13 goals in 31 league games as Dortmund won the Bundesliga from Bayern by eight points and he fits the profile currently adhered to by United of a young player who could improve and not cost a premium price.
Kagawa currently earns a modest salary of between €750,000 to €1m and was offered up to €2.5m to re-sign for Dortmund. But as he is intent on playing in the Premier League it is not thought his wage demands to join United will prove a stumbling block.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/29/shinji-kagawa-manchester-united-dortmund?CMP=twt_gu
The fee quoted according to someone on this thread is up to 22million Euros which (i think) equates to approx £20 million?
In response - I think you overestimate sentiment. Clubs know that football is a business. Dortmund will be taking players from other clubs in the same way. It's the way of the world. Everyone understands this.
Also - he may may not wish to pis Dortmund off - but he'll most likely (as most footballers) wish to look after number one. If a deal does not happen this summer you think he'll be happy that they're holding him to ransom by asking for a huge fee when they paid so litte for him and potentially frustrating his dream move - and he probably feels he's paid them back enough with his performances since he joined.
Regardless - its all speculative and I didn't mean to take this point on. All I was saaying was that a poster suggested this was a great value signing. It may well prove to be.
It could have been a number of things but the agent fee def played a part.
Modric is the only 'box to box' target that we have at the moment and that might take all summer. Inclined to believe it wont happen
Didn't think these "kagawa as second choice, waiting on the Hazard deal developments first'' stories were true, but you'd have to say the timing of this deal suddenly being close to completion (while there seemed to be virtually no news on further developments when the Hazard saga was in full force) on the night Hazard chose Chelsea seems a bit suspect.
I can't fathom Kagawa, or any player worth his salt, accept this type of bullshit though. Would tell the club to feck off then, plenty of other good clubs in for me.
I can't fathom Kagawa, or any player worth his salt, accept this type of bullshit though. Would tell the club to feck off then, plenty of other good clubs in for me.
Fergie said he's staying with us for one more season.
€22m=£17.6m
He was easily our best player this season. How on earth can you not see that Rooney is a viable option in the hole. If Kagawa comes and want's to play there he will have to be versatile and be prepared to float fluidly between the attacking positions.Hopefully once we've got Kagawa we go for an actual CM, preferably someone more defensive minded. Hopefully he'll continue to score goals in the PL, we've lacked a genuine scorer from midfield for a few years now.
I think him and Rooney with any two of Valencia/Nani/Young is perfectly in line with Fergusons vision of a fluid, fast-paced attacking unit.
Also, he could do more of a job in a midfield three in the big matches while still providing an attacking threat.
I'm all for his signing. I now officially hate that garden of Eden guy, and officially I love Kagawa and will claim him to be the worlds best AM until Arsenal snatches him from Dortmund.
Also, he could do more of a job in a midfield three in the big matches while still providing an attacking threat.
I'm all for his signing. I now officially hate that garden of Eden guy, and officially I love Kagawa and will claim him to be the worlds best AM until Arsenal snatches him from Dortmund.
€15 in the Irish press. Where are they plucking these numbers from??
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...ose-in-on-deal-for-shinji-kagawa-3123262.html
GERMAN football magazine Kicker have reported that Borussia Dortmund's Shinji Kagawa is set to join Manchester United for €15m with the deal almost complete.
Dortmund's director of sport Michael Zorc told the magazine that some details have yet to be finalised and Kagawa is still contracted to the German league and cup winners until June 2013.
The club have already slapped a price tag of €20m on their attacking midfielder with several Premier League clubs reported to be interested.
Earlier this month, Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson flew to Berlin to watch Kagawa score in Dortmund's 5-2 win over Bayern Munich in the German Cup final.
Kagawa cost Dortmund just €350,000 when he joined from J-League side Cerezo Osaka in 2010.
He has scored 21 goals in 49 Bundesliga appearances for Borussia, helping them win back-to-back league titles.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...ose-in-on-deal-for-shinji-kagawa-3123262.html
GERMAN football magazine Kicker have reported that Borussia Dortmund's Shinji Kagawa is set to join Manchester United for €15m with the deal almost complete.
Dortmund's director of sport Michael Zorc told the magazine that some details have yet to be finalised and Kagawa is still contracted to the German league and cup winners until June 2013.
The club have already slapped a price tag of €20m on their attacking midfielder with several Premier League clubs reported to be interested.
Earlier this month, Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson flew to Berlin to watch Kagawa score in Dortmund's 5-2 win over Bayern Munich in the German Cup final.
Kagawa cost Dortmund just €350,000 when he joined from J-League side Cerezo Osaka in 2010.
He has scored 21 goals in 49 Bundesliga appearances for Borussia, helping them win back-to-back league titles.
He wasn't easily our best player at all. Carrick, Valencia and Evans were all up there. Rooney's performances were not amazing by any means, but it was his goalscoring which masked the poor ones. Kagawa if he comes in will take that place, and will bring a different dimension to our play, something we majorly lacked this season. Creativity through the centre
I think that Ando will be here if we don't sign a central /defensive/box to box midfielder. We have only Scholes, Carrick, Giggs and Cleverley there. We know that Giggs and Scholes now can't play every week, Pogba seems to be gone and I have no hopes that Fletcher will return (even if he returned I doubt that he will be same old Fletch), so we really need at-least another midfielder if Ando goes (maybe even two). Because we know that we won't get two, I think that Ando will be here.
About squad depth, really interesting how people are having panic about the limited time of Welbeck and Chicha. We will play with four attacking players and we will have 7 players for those positions assuming that Park will go (Chicha, Rooney, Welbeck, Kagawa, Young, Valencia and Nani). We hopefully will have about 55-60 games next year that mean will have 220-240 free positions for those 7 players (not mentioning players that will come from reserves). I see that there will be many games for both Chicha and Welbeck. Also with our record of injuries it should be a miracle if some of our players will not be injured. So, there is not a single problem about the limited time of our 2 strikers. They will play enough.
What is Kicker? is it a newspaper?
Sounds like a magazine.
Sounds like a magazine.
I don't see any of them scoring 20+ goals in a season playing out of position.
It may not have been Rooney's best season but his goal tally says a lot about his ability in this so called 'unnatural position'.
Yes, it's a German football magazine. Comes out Mondays and Thursdays, but today is a holiday so there's another edition.
OK, thanks. So basically they are all reporting from the same source which for all we know could be completely made up, but because they are all saying the same thing at the same time we are taking it fairly seriously?
Sounds legit.
Its one of Germany's biggest football periodicals.
Ah ok. I was going to say magazines usually don't come out often enough to be up to date.
If we really want to buy him, we'll buy him. With respect to Arsenal, they are neither City nor Chelsea to snub players from us because of wages. I really can't see absolutelly nothing that Arsenal can offer him and we can't. In fact we can offer many things that Arsenal can't.
Much more excited about this guy than Hazard. Couldn't give two fecks about Hazard (even his youtube clips looked rubbish, a turn here, a ronaldo dragback there, errr nice but nothing we don't see in other youtube clips from random skilfull players), but I'd be genuinely peeved if we did not sign Kagawa.
He is a very rounded player with alot of creativity, football intellect, has plenty of goals in him and is very direct.
He is a very rounded player with alot of creativity, football intellect, has plenty of goals in him and is very direct.
Hazard may become the 'better' of those two players in the future but I feel Kagawa is more what we need at the moment.
If he can emulate what he's done for Dortmund I will be more than happy. At 23 he has still quite a room for improvement as well, especially being a playmaker.
If he can emulate what he's done for Dortmund I will be more than happy. At 23 he has still quite a room for improvement as well, especially being a playmaker.
Kicker is legit.
They have a website too. http://www.kicker.de/
Story is meant to be going up on there today at some point.
I think it's coincidence, it's pretty clear we were going for him regardless of Hazard and the whole thing was based on Dortmund playing hardball over the fee seeing as it's gone from 7m to 22m.
Why remove the part of this post that says 'his goalscoring masked his poorer performances' and then go on to cite goals as evidence of his level of performance?
The 22M is 22M Euros not Pounds, and it was never 7M Euros or Pounds. €12M was the first figure that came out.
*crosses fingers*
If Welbeck is better than Kagawa then he will not be forced out of anything. If Kagawa is better than Welbeck then our team is improved.
What's not to like?
Depending on the formations we play, Danny has a few spots that he can compete for. Survival of the fittest and all that.
£17.5m FFS who do we have as our neogtiators.
We get fecked over everytime.
We get fecked over everytime.
I wouldn't exactly say 17.5m is being fecked over..
Aren't all transfer fees pretty high these days? 17.5 is peanuts compared to the 30-50 mill teams spend on an average player (Carroll).
That's included add-ons, according to the latest reports. Not a bad price at all, considering how the transfer market has become!
That fee is a bargain if you ask me. Kagawa is the real deal in my opinion.
Actually, "Kicker" don't know the fee for which we are supposed to sign Kagawa. They cite "serious English sources" meaning, perhaps, newspapers...
£12m up front is a great deal. And if we end up paying £17.6m then it was obviously money well spent.
Yeah 12m for a player who if he was European and a sugar daddy club was buying him, would probably cost about 30m, is fantastic business for us.
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