Shinji Kagawa

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I think the signing of Kagawa will nip a lot of negativity in the bud - oops, I'll get ma coat.....

Interesting to see who our next target is, I'm sure SAF has a few on his shopping list
 
I am looking forward to seeing him in action. I have only seen him live on TV for 1 and a 1/2 games and seen all the You Tube footage.

He really does look impressive. But I do think it will take a while to find his feet at the club.

He looks a bit light weight and may be forced off the ball quite easily. But no reason why he cannot adapt.

I think his passing is superb. Very quick too
 
This thread needs more picture montages, essays, and comparisons of Kagawa, Fergie and the fans to figures in Greek mythology.
 
I was watching MUTV this morning while getting ready. They were interviewing some fans about the deal, and most of them were positive about it, all except one guy.

He wasn't positive at all, and said how we needed to sign big name players. I mean honestly :wenger:

If the Bundesliga Player of the Year isn't big enough for you, then feck off. This is a guy who has helped Dortmund win back-to-back titles and also the German Cup.

Think about it though, what sort of fans hang around Old Trafford during off-season?
 

The part I liked that so many seem to overlook...

Though Hazard was indisputably the best player in the French league last season, Kagawa was arguably the most dangerous attacker in a superior league in the Bundesliga. Indeed, his stats were superior to even Franck Ribery and Arjen Robben, two figures who possess a much greater public profile, for now at least.

Kagawa scored 17 goals and claimed 13 assists in all competitions last season to better the stats of the two Bayern stars.

I mean imagine the hype if we were talking about Ribery or Robben... but because he has a different name and he wanted to come here removing the typuical transfer circus so many think him sub standard :rolleyes:.
 
Interesting article on possible tactics with Kagawa in the line-up...

http://www.thebusbybabe.com/2012/6/...igning-of-shinji-kagawa-mean-for-wayne-rooney

Since the departure of Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid following the 2008/09 season, the key player to Manchester United's attack has undoubtedly been Wayne Rooney. In Wazza's first season as the clear lead man, his role was that of a lead striker -- whether that be as the lone frontman in a 4-3-3/4-5-1 system or just ahead of Dimitar Berbatov in a 4-4-2/4-4-1-1ish system. Rooney scored 34 goals that season in all competitions and he was named the 2010 PFA Player of the Year. However, the United talisman picked up an ankle knock in late March of 2010 during the first leg of a UEFA Champions League quarter-final tie versus Bayern Munich and after that, he suffered from a severe dip in form for nearly a calendar year.

Rooney rediscovered his world-class form again in time for the run-in of the 2010-11 season -- but this time as a creator in support of lead striker Javier Hernandez (Chicharito). Rooney has since continued that creative and deeper role-- in the space between the opposition's defensive and midfield lines -- through the conclusion of this past season. However, despite impressively bagging 34 goals again this campaign in all competitions, his influence as a creator faded towards season's end. His first-touch was poor at times, his distribution became somewhat erratic, and his decision-making was disappointing in moments. It became increasingly frustrating these past few months to witness Wazza intelligently find space but then sputter another promising attacking move.

Even though Rooney has expressed in the past his preference for a 'number 10' sort of role in attack, it's possible that United manager Sir Alex Ferguson is considering moving his most important player back into a 'number 9' role. However, even though this would mean he's the lead striker again, his natural movement would still have him dropping deep at times in order to link attacking moves and create space for others in a modern 'false 9' role'. United's announcement yesterday that Shinji Kagawa will joining the club, and their recent failed pursuit of Eden Hazard, hints strongly at this possibility.



There has apparently has been rumblings in Tokyo this past week that Fergie told Kagawa, should he join United (which he has!), that he would be featured in behind Wayne Rooney in a 4-2-3-1 system. This is the same role that the Japanese international thrived in for German champions Borussia Dortmund in behind striker Robert Lewandowski. This is also a similar role to the one that Rooney has featured at United for the past season-and-a-half.

Since Rooney's move to a supportive role in behind a lead striker -- usually either Chicharito or Danny Welbeck -- he would often drop deep between the lines from an initial striker's position in order to receive the ball with his back to goal. From here, if he couldn't turn and provide a penetrative through ball in behind the defense, Wazza would typically look to spray a long diagonal ball out to the flanks for a winger or a marauding full-back. He'd even look to carry the ball forward at times with a driving run towards goal. He was inconsistent in his ability to split the defense with a throughball as was he with his dribbling, but he was generally superb with those long balls out wide. In addition, particularly during 2010/11 season's run-in, he was incredibly industrious when he would constantly drop deep in order to mark a midfielder when United were out of possession.

If Fergie is indeed looking to use Kagawa in a supportive role in behind Rooney, perhaps due to his own frustration at the talisman's lackluster performance in 'number 10' role during these past few months, then that's an intriguing thought. When Dortmund were out of possession, Kagawa didn't drop off into midfield much -- as Rooney often does -- because manager Jurgen Klopp drills his side to intensively press high up the pitch with cohesion. Instead, the Japanese attacker would close down an opposing defender. From here, if Dortmund were able to win the ball back in their attacking half of the pitch, it was often Kagawa that ignited quick and lethal attacks with his direct playing style.

When building attacking moves, Kagawa tends to start in slightly deeper positions in comparison to Rooney. Because of this, Kagawa typically would have more time and space so that he could turn with the ball when he received. In addition, his off-the-ball movement is tremendous and he has a knack for finding pockets of space just in behind the defender who is supposed to be patrolling that area -- whether that be a defender or a midfielder. If you haven't had a chance to watch Kagawa play, and if you happen to be familiar with Juan Mata's movement when he's deployed as a 'number 10' for Chelsea, then envision the Spaniard's off-the-ball movement and you have a decent idea on how our new signing does it. As previously mentioned, Kagawa is direct when he gets the ball (that differs from Mata). He's quick and has decent pace, he's decisive, he's tricky enough to run at and beat defenders, and he has the technical ability to combine for quick 'one-twos'.

When Rooney was deployed in a 'false 9' role in 2009/10, he would often drop deep to pick up the ball and if a center-back was dragged out of position by following him, he was able create a larger gap for midfield runners to exploit. From here, he could combine with a deeper central player and one of them could lay off a pass into space for a player making a driving run from a wide position. Or, he could combine with a wide attacker and one of them could lay off a pass into space for a player making a driving from a deeper central position -- this is a run that Kagawa excels at. This is the sort of prospective combination -- Rooney dropping deep while Kagawa makes a run from a somewhat deeper position into the vacated space in behind -- that should have United fans excited.

If these supposed talks of a 4-2-3-1 with Kagawa in behind Rooney are true, then there's potential for incredible fluidity and interchanging between the likes of those two and with Nani and Ashley Young. Both wingers are fairly comfortable coming inside and operating in that space. If Antonio Valencia is deployed on the right in this scenario, then he can stretch the attacking space by hugging the touchline while wider gaps could potentially be created by the interchanging movement of Rooney, Kagawa, and either Young or Nani. They could even be supported by the driving runs of Tom Cleverley from an even deeper position in central-midfield or a well-timed late-arriving run from Paul Scholes. This could be dynamic.



Again though, Kagawa in support of Rooney in a 4-2-3-1 is pure speculation and I have no idea about the validity of the reports out of Tokyo that Fergie actually told Kagawa, or his representatives, this. But it certainly appears to be a sensible possibility. Rooney struggled somewhat to create in a 'number 10' role at season's end but he was still bagging goals. Kagawa excelled in a similar role for Dortmund and theoretically, he seems to be a good match for a 'false 9' Rooney. Combine that Young and Nani are able to interchange and it seems highly likely that Fergie -- a man much smarter than me obviously -- is contemplating this change to spark United's attack.

What of Danny Welbeck? Remember that he's a versatile player that could also lead the attack in front of either Kagawa or Rooney while he can also play out wide. What of Chicharito? He too has worked well with a support player just in behind him (Rooney) so it might work with Kagawa as well. The Mexican international could also play the role of 'super-sub' a bit more next season. There's also the obvious need for squad rotation so everyone should have opportunity to feature frequently. It's difficult to guess whether Kagawa will make our best XI any stronger but he certainly brings a skillset range that currently doesn't exist at United. He may also provide a boost for our current talisman -- perhaps enhanced by a role change.

Atleast i'm not the only one who thought Rooney was a shit number 10.
 
He wasn't shit. That's stretching a bit.

I do prefer him as the number 9 though, I agree.

Yeah Rooney at the apex and Kagawa maurading behind him with some combination of Young/Nani/Valencia on the wings does get me a bit more excited than what I saw this year.
 
Kagawa wa wa, push pineapple, shake the tree
Kagawa wa wa, push pineapple, grind coffee
To the left, to the right, jump up and down and to the knees
Come and dance every night, sing with a Shinji melody
 
Kagawa wa wa, push pineapple, shake the tree
Kagawa wa wa, push pineapple, grind coffee
To the left, to the right, jump up and down and to the knees
Come and dance every night, sing with a Shinji melody

:nono: wont work with Andersons song with the same tune, but im sure we can get a similar themed song going
 
The part I liked that so many seem to overlook...



I mean imagine the hype if we were talking about Ribery or Robben... but because he has a different name and he wanted to come here removing the typuical transfer circus so many think him sub standard :rolleyes:.

Exactly. Not to be offensive to Ligue 1 but Chamahk and Gervinho looked quality in France. Now there are some players who leave French football and prove themselves to be quality but relatively speaking the Bundesliga is much stronger. Ribery didn't go to Germany to play a lower standard of football than is at home. Yet somehow despite doing less well in a lesser league you get some people talking about Hazard like he's the next Messi and people taking about Shinji like he's a nobody. Bizarre.
 
Atleast i'm not the only one who thought Rooney was a shit number 10.

That's too extreme. However I think that he's more suited in leading the line, with a natural no 10 at his back, especially if the latter is a hardworking player and a natural goalscorer. Having Rooney and Kagawa constantly shifting positions will drive defenders crazy.
 
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hero on the half-turn
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teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa
hero on the half-turn
shinji kagawa!

we're the world's most fearsome fighting team (we're really hip!)
he's a hero on the half-turn and he's japanese (hey - get a grip!)
when the evil city attacks
this japanese boy don't cut them no slack!

teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa

sir alex taught them to be premier league (he's a radical rat!)
nemanja leads, mike phelan does the teas (that's a fact, jack!)
rafael is cool but crude (gimme a break!)
anderson is a party dude (party!)

teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa
hero on the half-turn
shinji kagawa!

:lol:
 
That's too extreme. However I think that he's more suited in leading the line, with a natural no 10 at his back, especially if the latter is a hardworking player and a natural goalscorer. Having Rooney and Kagawa constantly shifting positions will drive defenders crazy.

Great footballer he is Rooney, he just doesn't see the game 'creatively' like a Sneijder or hopefully what Kagawa can bring.. Which lets him down as a number 10.. I feel he can be as great as Van Persie has been last season with the right number 10 behind him which we haven't had whilst he's been up top by himself, mostly isolated and frustrated.
 
Recent years he has played there and played well too.

In fact i think in future thats his best position.

It's not the media just have people believe it is. He will either be a deep line midfield player or just and out and out striker come the later stages of his career.
 
I can't believe people are seriously trotting out the shirt sales line again, for the sole reason that we didn't spend 'big money'. Absurd. And people seriously decide how good a player is based on how well-known he is. Weirdos. He's a cracking player, we're lucky to have him and it'll take a matter of weeks for everyone to see that.

Only just seen he was voted in the European Team of the year by a collection of Europe's leading sports magazines, not bad at all.
 
teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa
hero on the half-turn
shinji kagawa!

we're the world's most fearsome fighting team (we're really hip!)
he's a hero on the half-turn and he's japanese (hey - get a grip!)
when the evil city attacks
this japanese boy don't cut them no slack!

teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa

sir alex taught them to be premier league (he's a radical rat!)
nemanja leads, mike phelan does the teas (that's a fact, jack!)
rafael is cool but crude (gimme a break!)
anderson is a party dude (party!)

teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa
teenage mutant shinji kagawa
hero on the half-turn
shinji kagawa!

:lol::lol::lol:
 
I recall when we sold Beckham to Real, a few months later it was reported they had recouped the transfer fee paid in shirt sales alone.
 
I can't believe people are seriously trotting out the shirt sales line again, for the sole reason that we didn't spend 'big money'.
And dont we receive a fixed amount by Nike, regardless of number of shirt sales? Yes, perhaps our advertisement value goes up, but to say shirt sales is wrong eh?
 
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