Really? You are bringing up a game in which he scored twice to knock him. Basically sums up your whole view on the guy.
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Really? You are bringing up a game in which he scored twice to knock him. Basically sums up your whole view on the guy.
Nice one. Huge goal droughts split by the high scorers.
Actually he has a point. Let's say he doesn't score those two goals, nor does he give away the penalty, it's 0-0. Anything can happen from there. If he doesn't give away the penalty, he won't get the two goals. But if my aunty had bollocks she'd be my uncle.
I done know what more he was supposed to have done in that game
And if you had one more neurone you would be a goldfish
Like feck it did. We lost the game because of our defence and our GK making a mistake. Not because of Berba. I dont care how highly you rate him but to blame the Blackburn loss on him is stupid.
Berba is atm a better player than Hernandez, i dont even think its up for debate personally. When hernandez improves his overall game, he'l definitely be the better player. Welbeck and Berba are much closer but as i said and you agreed, he has the potential to be better but currently isnt. But he's a terrific young player and i totally understand SAF preferring to develop him. Doesnt change the fact that Berba could and perhaps should have been used when both chicha and welbeck werent having the best of times.
Wtf is this? So we take off the goals he scored and the pen he gave away? To do what? Change the past? He scored 2 goals and our defence+ goalie fecked up to cost us the game no matter how you try and paint it.Oh fecking good one. All I said is that he had a point, I said that him giving the penalty away changed the course of that game, you tell me how it didn't. We could've gone on and won or lost 3-0 if he hadn't given the penalty away.
I think that is for debate. Berbatov is a far superior player to him regarding their techniques but Chicha is a better finisher, much faster and more importantly much consistent than him, especially in the big games.
Oh, and we're losing, we are automatically minus one player if Berba is on game. He looks like he doesn't even care.
Good luck to him.
Will be sad to see him go
Will be sad to see him go
Is Hernandez that consistent already? Not much of a stats man so i could be wrong but i dont think he was very consistent last season.
And Every player that puts the jersey on cares, dont let his not chasing the defender everytime fool you. He doesnt run around enough, thats just his style. May not suit us but doesnt mean he doesnt care.
He's too good to keep on the bench.
I don't think the manager is going to give him many starts so he probably should leave to get more games somewhere else.
I don't think the manager is going to give him many starts so he probably should leave to get more games somewhere else.
Chicha wasn't consistent either last season, but that could be more to the fact that he didn't have a full pre-season and a proper resting. Also, injuries didn't help either. But I was talking more for Chicha of the first season.
About Berba, he really looks like he doesn't care, doesn't run, doesn't care when he lose 100% chances, doesn't celebrate when he is on the bench and United score.
I don't think you know what consistent means.
Oh, really?!
We haven't exactly treated him very well
his 2nd season here was always going to be a bigger test. His 1st season caught everyone by surprise.
Totally disagree with the 2nd paragraph. I dont know where you're getting this from.
Season 2 performances of him were influenced by those problems. First, where players went into vacation he played for Mexico. Later he joined them in pre-season but had a collision.
When he started again playing good, Cole tried to kill him, also he had some injuries later so all of these things didn't helped him to have a good season. Yet, he scored the same amount of goals as Welbeck who is treated here like a God.
About the last paragraph, his laziness in the pitch isn't something new, and that I can't stand when we are losing. It's no a justification saying that it's his style, FFS when we're losing you have to run, not behaving like a bitchy supermodel. And yes, I have seen many times Berba not celebrating when he was sent on bench in favor of Chicha.
Fans are fickle, we treat players as heroes or villains depending on the mood of the day. what you would be accurate in saying is that SAF hasn't treated him very well over the past 12 months.
I don't know why, but i get the feeling something has happened behind closed doors to make SAF act like that. He rarely freezes people out, and i have often seen him play players at the end of the season, to give them some involvement and possibly pick up a medal, even if they have contributed very little over the whole season.
I cannot for the life of me imagine how Berba can come in when Rooney lost the plot, finish the season top scorer and then be completely left out of the CL final squad and then be almost completely frozen out the following season. It is just not consistent with how SAF has treated players in the past.
Berba for all his troubles, came in and produced the goods when Rooney couldn't. Without Berba's early season contributions we would not have won the title, yet his reward for producing his best form when we needed it most, was exclusion from the biggest game of the season, which was in fact only a precursor to further freezing out last season. Bizarre!
He was left out because he wasn't right for that game. We needed workers, hence Fletcher, Park, Rooney, Hernandez. Speaking of 'not consistent' that had something to do with it too. He's not a reliable footballer. You can't bring him into a team and expect anything from him.
You say he came in when Rooney couldn't deliver, but he didn't did he? Rooney was excellent when we played Blackburn and Berba scored five. He didn't score on a consistent basis. I'd be interested to know what the record is for a goal drought from the eventual top scorer in a season, he must be up there.
Make no mistake, it wasn't lucky. You get in those positions and finish them off, but at the same time he didn't do it enough. I'd rather he scored one against Blackburn and got four in four other games - that's consistency. In the end, it didn't matter, we won the league, but scoring five in five is better than five in one and none in four.
Genuinely feel the club have done wrong by Berba this summer. You can argue that he hasn't justified his price tag but he didn't ask Man Utd to cough up all that cash. The club should have just let him leave on a free at the end of the year. It's clearly not worked out for either side why prolong the inevitable? Nobody is going to pay the fee we want now knowing they can just do a deal directly with Berba next January or July. Effectively United are stealing a year of Berba's career by acting this way. Bizarre attitude by the club who will still be obliged to pay his wages when no buyer comes forward.
He's not the first nor will he be the last.
He seems to be a nice lad but that's football and ferguson has a reputation for being ruthless.
So which teams seem to be lining up to actually sign him?
Not denying he's had a start stop last season mate. He hadnt been consistent though for whatever reason it may be. So to say him and welbeck offer consistent attacking talent and berba doesnt is wrong. Also, everyone has said that welbeck needs to improve his scoring record. His all round game is a treat for a guy his age though and that cannot be denied.
Regarding the 2nd bit, all i'l say is that his attitude and professionalism cannot be questioned at all as far as am concerned. He's been brilliant last season when most would have come out and said/done something. Also, i always remember him standing and applauding when on the bench, he wont jump up and down or start hugging those around him but then he isnt that kinda guy, just the way he is.
Welll techinically it seems the problem is the clubs that won't offer up some money now. They are stealing a year from Berba, when they could just cough up a few bucks and get the huge benefit of him now. Must be they just don't see adding him as that urgent.
That's the problem.Apart from Galatasaray haven't heard any other movement for him.
I was talking about Chicha being consistent not Welbeck. Chicha in the first season was very consistent and scoring regularly. Despite what many thinks, IMO Chicha contributed more than Berbatov that season. In the second season Chicha for those seasons wasn't that good but we'll see how he will play in next season (considering that he's having a vacation this year). Welbeck of course that wasn't consistent, but still is one more for the future. On the other side he showed signs of massive potential.
Berbatov's attitude was really professional, I agree with it. But still, not celebrating when team scores is not a good thing (unless you are Ronaldo). I remember against Everton when Chicha scored, Berba celebrated and stand up. All were surprised, I remember that commentary said that finally Berbatov celebrates. It's not something that fan should care that much if he does it or not, but still something to say. About his laziness, that is completely bizarre how he doesn't look that he is even caring in the game.
And about chances, I think that he got here more chances than he deserved. IMO he should have been sold after his second season here. And about Champions League snub, it was completely justified. Has he ever scored in a big match other than his hat-trick against Pool, and how many times he scored coming from the bench?
I've already agreed hernandez was consistent in his 1st season.
We'l just agree to disagree then. I dont remember ever getting the feeling he wasnt celebrating from the bench.
Where did this come from? Anyways, i do think he's had his chances here but then its also true that he got sidelined after his best season at the club. Regarding the CL final, Owen was the better choice if we needed a late goal so i had no issues with the decision.
I'd say he will be gone, clubs that are half interested will bide their time.
I'll be very surprised if he is still at united, however I wont be sad if he is still here.
The best season here still wasn't that good. Despite being the Premier League joint top goalscorer, 11 of those goals were scored in 3 games. That means in his other 39 appearances (in all competitions) he scored another 10 goals. Hardly good enough. And also, not scoring for three years in knockout of Champions didn't helped his case.
The 3 at Anfield were the only 2 goals we scored in a 3-2 win so i dunno how that can be belittled. Truth is, without him, there's no way we would have won the league that year so why undermine how good he was?
He doesnt really feature much in the CL so i wouldnt read too much into it.
I think Tottenham should make a move for him, if there looking to push on and challenge for the title (which I dont think they will) then they need the experience of a league winner and top goalscorer.
5 million is a bargain and I will be sad to see him go, in hindsight he should have left at the end of last season, its a waste for a player in his prime to be spending so much time not playing and it must be frustrating for him but he doesnt suite our style of play these days.
5 million is a bargain and I will be sad to see him go, in hindsight he should have left at the end of last season, its a waste for a player in his prime to be spending so much time not playing and it must be frustrating for him but he doesnt suite our style of play these days.
The same can be said for the likes of VDS, Evra, Vidic, Carrick, Nani, Giggs, Valencia, Rooney, Chicha (almost all players who played regularly that season). I cannot understand the Anfield part.
About Champions he has about 25 appearances in United shirt, scoring 4 goals (all of them in two games in group stages in his first season). Catastrophic statistics.
But he was the only striker on form at the start of the season. Him and Nani were carrying us to a large extent when it came to attacking.
And whats not to understand regarding the anfield part? He scored 3 goals in a match but all 3 were very crucial as we won 3-2.
Well, I didn't said that he didn't contributed, only that he wasn't our main performer. On the other side Chicha played a role too (Stoke away, Wigan etc).
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Really confusing but I understand now (also the game was in OT). Still scoring 11 in 3 games and then 10 others in 39 games is really unbalanced and hardly impressive.
None.
Even though the price is £10 million according to Berbatov and Sir Alex told him £5 million which he saw fit to announce on facebook.
Still no bids
Amazing when you consider how amazing he is and able to play till 37 as the fanboys will convince you in threads like this.
Well he's said he loves the club but he needs to move on as he isn't helping anyone, himself included, with his current situation.
Also said that if he doesn't get a move he will be professional and work hard to get in the squad and help the team.
(source bbc - taken from his website)
So love him or hate him you can't fault him for his professionalism right to the end. A lot of people would have thrown the dummy out of the pram a long time ago.
I'll miss him when he goes but will be glad he will be getting the regular football he deserves.
Also said that if he doesn't get a move he will be professional and work hard to get in the squad and help the team.
(source bbc - taken from his website)
So love him or hate him you can't fault him for his professionalism right to the end. A lot of people would have thrown the dummy out of the pram a long time ago.
I'll miss him when he goes but will be glad he will be getting the regular football he deserves.
Does no club really want him? I mean he has been here for 5 years and over this time there haven't been many gossips about alleged intrest from other clubs. Im fine with that. But now he has put in a fecking display window with a massive "for sale" tag and there has been nothing to suggest that he will leave this summer.
This was always bound to happen. The time to sell was after he had his 20 goal season...even though he got all his goals in spurts and most against the so called lesser teams he still had one of the best years in English football.
Right now very few teams will want to pay for a player they know will leave for nothing in 12 months. Bottom line, 12 months down the line he's still the same player he is today. Speed and workrate is bound to be the same and technically he's always been above average. Clubs can afford to let the clock run down. There's no upside to breaking the bank for Berba right now unless there's a team that really needs a luxury player like him.
Right now very few teams will want to pay for a player they know will leave for nothing in 12 months. Bottom line, 12 months down the line he's still the same player he is today. Speed and workrate is bound to be the same and technically he's always been above average. Clubs can afford to let the clock run down. There's no upside to breaking the bank for Berba right now unless there's a team that really needs a luxury player like him.
No one wants to pay a fee and he wants his last year of £120K/week.