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QPR for between 6-8 million pounds
I still think there's a bargain for some club here. Admittedly his wages are probably steep, but at a slightly smaller club he'd still do the business.
he's like a leper. no fecker wants him around.
I would imagine some Chinese or Middle Eastern club would pay his wages but he would never take the hit in prestige when he could lord around on our bench for another season.
I would imagine some Chinese or Middle Eastern club would pay his wages but he would never take the hit in prestige when he could lord around on our bench for another season.
this really happened?
ffsnevermind, just paged back and saw the post.
Bloody Hell. Remember the cnut that supposedly played professional in league 1 or 2 on here that was banging on about how he was better than bergkamp?
But hard work only gets you so far against Barca Liam. Every team works hard against Barca, but only teams that can hold the ball up front and then put their defence under pressure seem to have any success.
Look at Chelsea. They were very close to beating Barca in 2009. Employing similar hard working tactics, but it was having Drogba's hold up play and subsequently being able to bypass Barca's midfield, and start the play from the edge of Barca's box, that enabled them to cause them so many problems.
Exactly the same this year. Yes they got lucky with Barca not taking their chances, but that's Barca's problem. Most teams don't get to create many chances against Barca, having Drogba up front gives Chelsea more opportunities to pressure Barca's defence, and that is why Chelsea do pretty well against Barca compared to us.
whatever you say about Berba and i agree with some of it, his best attribute is his ability to keep the ball under pressure. His hold up play is fantastic at times, and i find it very difficult to believe that he had less capacity to contribute something positive to that game than Owen.
Owen can nick a goal granted, but only if we are creating chances is he going to offer any type of serious threat. Berba could have held the ball up front even occasionally, which would surely have given some of our more dangerous players the chance to get into the game more often and trouble Barca in advanced areas.
That would have surely given us even a marginally better chance of actually putting their defence under some regular pressure, and from that creating a few chances. We were never really going to out pass them were we? So for me that would have been a perfectly logical move to have Berba on the bench instead of Owen. If we are creating chances we already have players who can score, what we didn't have is someone who could give us the ability to bypass Barca's midfield, and create those chances. The game seemed to pass us by because of that and we never really looked like getting back in it.
Did he really say that stuff on facebook or are the papers just inventing shit again? Because if he did it really sounds like we are messing around instead of simply taking the £5M and letting him go on with his career, I mean the way he worded it sounded like he's been told there will be little chance of him playing much.
If a side wants him bad enough they will pay up to 10mill.
It's got to be his wages and perhaps the length of contract he wants that is now putting off buyers.
He will want a 3 year deal with large wages.
I can see him being here next season if he doesn't lower his demands.
If he doesn't give away that shitty penalty, his two goals actually count towards something potentially. I'm not blaming him for the loss, but his contribution in defense was laughable and yet you try and brag about it.
Yeah, I can't imagine PSG want him that badly if this small difference in valuation is a deal-breaker or any other big(ish) club for that matter. However, if it looks like no one is going for him for 10m come the end of the window, I think we should allow him to go for less. He really is too much class to be fourth choice and not play.
Carrick was to blame for a goal in that game as well. Does that knock his overall contribution in general play in every other game?
Berbatov's duty when defending corners was to stay on the 6 yard box and clear all the crosses that didn't go over him. In the Blackburn game however we were missing some big pieces and Blackburn is one of the most difficult team to defend against in the league in set pieces. They are probably only rivaled by Chelsea and Stoke.
I don't think there's any point lingering on that mistake as two players who are better at defending than he is cost us goals as well after another corner and a throw-in.
Perhaps people should stop trying to brag about how great a defender Berbatov is, and maybe these mistakes wouldn't be brought up.
It also doesn't knock his overall contribution, but I don't see people going out and saying Vidic is a good striker because he gets his fair share of goals.
You'd think after the season Berbatov has just had and the fact Ferguson made it painfully clear that he's no longer in United's plans, his fans would have a touch of humility, but no he's back to being one of United's best players and the reason we lost the title on goal difference. Despite the fact that we scored 6 more goals than in 2010/11 with six less games without him predominantly in the team.
Agreed, Berbatov is a steal in today's market for, say, £10m. Even for £15m and upwards he'd be a good signing.
I'm amazed someone hasn't taken him off us yet. Perhaps we don't want another Van Nistelrooy scenario whereby we let him go for feck all, only for him then to be absolutely top class elsewhere. This is probably going to happen, to be honest. Berbatov is still a fantastic player - he's been really unfortunate here.
There's clearly something not right when we say there have been no bids. Even on good wages you'd expect a decent side to want to have him and the fee whether its £5 million or £10 million, neither is over the top
People talk about PSG but he wouldnt start there either. They dont need him. Malaga has been mentioned too, what about Roma? Lots of cash, underperformed last season, just sold Borini to Liverpool and Serie A should suit him. But instead of going for Berbatov they're being linked with Destro.
If nobody actually ends up bidding for him and he stays for another season its going to be an even worse ending to our record signing's time at the club
People talk about PSG but he wouldnt start there either. They dont need him. Malaga has been mentioned too, what about Roma? Lots of cash, underperformed last season, just sold Borini to Liverpool and Serie A should suit him. But instead of going for Berbatov they're being linked with Destro.
If nobody actually ends up bidding for him and he stays for another season its going to be an even worse ending to our record signing's time at the club
It's actually ruined his career, by coming to OT. Who knew?
He should have done a Teddy, left after finally having a great season, on a high note.
I don't think it's a case of us messing him around. I just don't think any clubs have made an approach. I think this is the problem. I don't think Fergie would hestiate to allow him to leave for 5m if a club came forward and Berba was interested. Whose approached? no one. This is going to be one of those last few day transfers as smaller clubs bide their time then make a bid very close to the deadline...ironically like we did with Berba...although it cost us 30m....lol
Newcastle should snap him up instead of Carroll
Great player and will do well somewhere. I think 10 million is fair, as he doesn't rely on pace he could easily go on till his mid to late thirties. I admire his professionalism despite a lack of opportunities this season
He hasn't really been given the opportunity to have a last great season but I know what you mean
Nothing to do with Rooney getting his arse into gear?
Oh and Berbatov scored 7, take them away and that's less goals that 2010/11. I don't think anyone is claiming he is one of our best players, but when he was out of the team last season when Welbeck and Hernandez were dross he still wasn't called upon. That's what baffled many.
He should have been sold last summer if we knew it would come down to this. Utter waste of a talent, and he's not getting any younger.
It depends on his wage demands. If he is asking for a £5m signing on fee and £120k a week, which he could probably negotiate if he was a free agent, then even at a £5m transfer fee he doesn't represent good value.
Given his reputation I'm sure there have been clubs talking to his agent to sound out his demands and the fact that no bid has been lodged suggests to me that he is looking for big money on a lengthy contract. There are only a handful of clubs that would be able to offer this and even less that require a player in his position.
If I was a betting man I'd say he will leave for a token fee (maybe £3-4m) towards the end of August and get the contract he is after.
Yeah, im sure those 2 premier league medals must be getting really annoying right about now
Will perhaps go down as on of Fergies biggest trasnfer errors. Overpaid for him to make a point. Then tried to force him into a system which did not suit Berba. Only for berba to shine for 6 months and then get pushed aside by Hernandez. Not to sell at the end of the 2011 season was madeness considering we hardly played him in the last season.
Berba has to take some blame as not being able to adapt his game but I think overall SAF has to take the majority of the blame.
I wonder if personally Berba regrets that he has spent his peak years at the wrong club.
Berba has to take some blame as not being able to adapt his game but I think overall SAF has to take the majority of the blame.
I wonder if personally Berba regrets that he has spent his peak years at the wrong club.
Nobody can really know for sure but I suspect the satisfaction of a couple of league winners medals is more than offset by the continuous snubs he has received while with the club, and a feeling he had little to do with at least one of the trophies.
Again, I cant know how it feels to be a pro footballer. But I imagine, if it was me, I would get more satisfaction playing for a mid level club regularly, helping them qualify for Europa or even just stay up, than I would from watching them win the league from the bench.
Again, I cant know how it feels to be a pro footballer. But I imagine, if it was me, I would get more satisfaction playing for a mid level club regularly, helping them qualify for Europa or even just stay up, than I would from watching them win the league from the bench.
We know he is going on the SA and China trip, it will be interesting to see how much he plays and how well he plays. Not that it will determine his career but just in general where he is psychologically footballing-wise at this crossroads in his career. Also, personally, Berba and his girlfriend are expecting their second child, which may also have an impact on him staying/going and where.
On another note, he seems to be getting pretty frustrated if he is starting to post things like yesterday on Facebook. Or maybe, he has just discovered the joys of the Book and has too much spare time on his hands.
In addition to the transfer discussion with SAF that he posted, he also posted some scores of the team from a test that they did on 'vision of the game and reaction'. DB9 has the highest score.
On another note, he seems to be getting pretty frustrated if he is starting to post things like yesterday on Facebook. Or maybe, he has just discovered the joys of the Book and has too much spare time on his hands.
In addition to the transfer discussion with SAF that he posted, he also posted some scores of the team from a test that they did on 'vision of the game and reaction'. DB9 has the highest score.
Watched the Champ19ns dvd yesterday (2010/11)
Berba's hatrick of hatricks. He scored some incredible goals that season, and really important ones too. He must wonder how the hell it went wrong. Its such a waste of talent
Berba's hatrick of hatricks. He scored some incredible goals that season, and really important ones too. He must wonder how the hell it went wrong. Its such a waste of talent
!Big Sam wants to take him on loan apparently.
Sounds like a great idea from WHU - we'll pay most of his wages and they get a top 4 quality striker for nothing.
However.
Why the sweet f*ck would we agree to that?!
What a hell are you saying? Berba regretting that he spent his peak years at the wrong club?!
Many here need to not super overrating him. Berbatov is not the best player of all time, not in Top 100, not in Top 1000. He played for one of the biggest clubs on the world, also being payed very well. He is lucky for that, because not every talented player has the chance of doing that. FFS, how someone can be regret for playing in one of top clubs of the world in a fantastic period for them, winning in process 2 Premier Leagues medals and playing with some great footballers like Ronaldo, Rooney, Giggs, Scholes and many others. Also, he had his chances contrary to people beliefs, he was a regular player in 3 seasons, sometimes performed, sometimes not. Last year it was clear that he was a backup for Rooney, but unfortunately for him (and fortunately for team), Rooney didn't injured. This year it's known that we will sell him if the right offers come, if not he will spent this year in the bench watching the lads playing, and hoping that we will need him. But still, it's not the end of the world, players much better than him spent times in the bench.
Made me lol. First it's that we're not willing to go from 10m to 5m, then the next day people apparently want him on-loan. I said yesterday that come the end of the window we should maybe allow him to leave for measly 5m but I've had a re-think. He's obvious quality. If no one wants to pay 10m (or near that) why should we sell? It pains me to see a player like that not get any games, but there can't be any real desire and ability to attain him from others if they're not willing to pay such a modest fee. His game has never been about pace and he has quite a few top seasons left in him. And on the same day we read speculation that Liverpool aim to recoup 20m from the mistake that was signing Andy Carroll.
I agree with all these points. The last year must have been hell for him. I still don't understand what he did to deserve such appalling treatment.
So what are you saying? He's being picked on? The manager refused to pick him despite him being amazing and training better than any of his team mates? What?
And what wont you say?
I remember making a post in about March, I think, saying I hoped Fergie knew what he was doing, and how awful it would be if we were to lose the league on goal difference, bearing in mind a striker of Berba's quality wasn't even on the bench .
So why do you think Berba has been left off the bench so many times? Can't be his training prowess surely?
We have no idea how many goals the team would have scored with Berbatov in there. The manager picks based on what he feels makes the best team and Rooney clearly works better with Hernandez and Welbeck. For every goal you think Berbatov would have scored over someone else, Rooney could have scored less.
Not training as well as the others is the obvious explaination. If he's consistantly showing that he's better than they are, he'll clearly be picked. Unless the manager has a problem with him and decided to pick everyone except him
The most bizarre thing about the deluded cult of Berbatov lovers is that they still feel we would have scored 8 additional goals with Berbatov in the team, whilst at the same time not conceding any more. They clearly know much more about team selection than Sir Alex.
So what's latest on him? Do we not let him leave or does no one want him?