no I dont agree with any of that
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no I dont agree with any of that
it was actually just over half a season
I would say we only came anywhere near matching City due to Welbeck having far greater influence on the teams performance, than Berbatov.
It's a difficult comparison to make given that Berbatov hardly played last season, but if we compare Welbeck's influence on team performance vs Berbatov's influence on team performance the year before last, I don't see how their can be any comparison.
Sure people will point to Berbatov's scoring the majority of his goals in a handful of games, but even if you accept that as a valid argument against him (which I don't,) the remaining goals he scored (9 if I remember correctly,) is close to the same number Welbeck scored last season. Furthermore, I think during that season, Berbatov had a lot more to his game than goals.
Totally wrong. The only thing Welbeck offered SAF is more speed. SAF himself said last season he wanted to introduce more pace in the side and that is why Berba was missing out more.
Time for your medication my man.
All I've said is that we would've scored more goals with Berbatov; and considering we lost on goal difference, we would've probably won with Berbatov in the side.
He came in and scored almost as much as Welbeck in the league, despite playing next to nothing. Welbeck had just 2-3 assists, as well.
Now, that's not a full measure of his abilities, but Berbatov was individually far better a player in the 10/11 season than Danny was, and as people have noted here, Welbeck was introduced as he's going to be here for far longer; i.e. short term loss, long term gain with Welbeck.
No doubt in my mind that if Berbatov had started say 20 PL games, we would've won (of course, not replacing Rooney), as the margin between us and City in the end was so small.
Undoubtedly, considering Berba scored at a terrific rate (in terms of goals vs starts) that he would've gotten far more goals, and probably more assists (considering Welbeck got very few). I also don't think Rooney would've suffered as much as people think he would.
We scored 89 goals compared to 78 the season before.
Nar, we played better football with Welbeck in the team.
Had Berba played we've have been further off imo.
Got to agree with this.
It's as though this fella has no idea of how SAF's mind works.
"hmmmm, should I blood the young lad or win the league"...
toughy.
SAF played the player who he thought gave us more chance of winning.
I wouldn't mind Berba and RP playing together once might be very interesting
Of course. Either that or Fergie's personal vendetta to ruin Berbatov's career blinded him to such an extent that it cost us the league.
Totally wrong?
Of course I will, gambs. Once that door shuts, it will be sad but I will watch him anywhere he plays. As for United, we are winning the title back this season. Really happy with the Kagawa and RvP signings.
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Welbeck is effective wide, tracking back, making runs in behind the defence.
Berbatov is effective only centrally and with a partner doing all the groundwork beside him, making runs through the middle etc.
Most importantly Welbeck is a more effective foil for Wayne Rooney
I'm getting tired of reminding people we had one of our best point totals ever last season, thanks for the help!
Debatable. Welbeck's output was rather mediocre. His linkup play was great, but so is Berbatov's. Point is, no way of knowing for sure.
It's debatable for sure, but SAF didn't play Welbeck ahead of Berba and Hernandez for no reason or to "blood him in", he played him because he thought he was the best option, I'm inclined to agree.
We cannot know it. For example I think that if Berbatov would have played in more games (especially in the big ones) we wouldn't have lost the title by goal difference but we would have lost it by some points. Of course that you can disagree with it, but everything we say if he started more is purely speculation. For example it wouldn't have been strange if he would have started in 10 games he wouldn't have scored in any of them letting us dropping many points.
Anyway, I hope that he will find a new club 'till Friday, and this would be the best solution for both us and him. My opinion that he isn't United quality is known here, but in a mid table club (like Fiorentina) he can do a great job and if they sell Jovetic then he can be their most important player. To us, about 10 millions from his transfer and wages wouldn't be bad.
Welbeck's is better with Rooney. Thats what counts because Rooney was our best striker.
If Robbie Keane was our first choice striker perhaps Berbatov's linkup play would be better.
And if he'd played in the champions league we'd have won that too.
Its like people just ignore his actual record in game and assume that because he's a talented player with a great first touch, he'll obviously score goals in big matches.
Berbatov is a flat track bully for the most part.
The reason Welbeck played was because he is a better player for us than Berbatov is.
Even when him and Hernandez were going through spells of playing bad and scoring no goals, I don't think it mattered. Fergie obviously had no intentions of playing Berbatov anymore even when he started 5 games and scored 7 goals, 2 less than Welbeck managed for the whole season. Should have let him go last summer, the year renewal on his contract and the plan to get a fee has obviously backfired big time. A year's wages wasted and no fee to show for it, when he could have come into the side more often and contributed, but our new "style" denied him the opportunities.
I don't believe we would have won the title had Berbatov played more in the home games but you can't deny he would have finished off more of those chances Welbeck wasted.
Read the post for God's sake. I was saying entirely the opposite.
Whether or not that is true, I'd say we could have used someone to bully the likes of Everton, Fulham and the other weaker teams whom we have failed to put to the sword.
Potentially yes, but I just haven't seen him perform as well in a United shirt as Berbatov has.
Scoring four past Everton should have been enough every day of the week. Even though we lost it on goal difference, I never felt we really lost the title because we didn't score enough goals. We scored enough.
That's fair enough. In fact, I think that was one of Welbeck's better performances. However, I think there have been a fair number of games recently where we haven't finished lesser teams off. Perhaps a flat-track bully (retarded labele IMO) would have helped. Or put another way, a guy who won the scoring title the year before, and scored 7 goals in just a handful of games last year would have helped us be a bit more ruthless (particularly during that barren period which both Hernandez and Welbeck suffered.)
It's not necessary players are selected just on their ability to score goals. It's a team game, and coaches look at a players overall contribution in helping the team win games.
If Berba had Welbeck or Hernandez's pace we wouldn't even be in for RVP this summer. Playing Rooney in the hole requires someone to stretch defences in front of him and occupy the defenders. Welbeck's got the pace to get in behind and the touch and movement to drop deep and link up the play so he plays in front of Berba and Hernandez. Simple.
If Berba had pace throughout his career he would be seen as the dog's bollocks now and be a focal point of our attack for a couple of years more.
fixed.
Didnt his agent say that Berbas future would be resolved on Monday?
Thanks for clarifying these ambiguities mate.
Well I'd say Berbatov played a much more significant role in United's last title winning campaign than Welbeck played in last season's 2nd place campaign.
Oh my God!
Explain.
Sorry mate, I misread it. I thought that you said the guy who won the title for us which was debated for a long time here and which is completely nonsense to even be mentioned. About the scoring title, indeed he won it though I don't share the view that he could have helped us last year.