Rio Ferdinand

Magnus said:
Redlambs said:
I don't think you get this at all.

Btw, who is asking for a life ban?
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OK i´m lost. Why didn´t he wear the t-shirt. I dont think I have got this right at all considering 99 percent think I´m a twat. Take it from the beginning please and then I might reconsider me view
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Magnus said:
is it to much to ask what I have missed. To me the Manchester United players were thought to wear a "KICK RASISM OUT OF FOOTBALL" shirt. 10 choosed to do so (evra welbs valencia rafael included) Why didn´t Rio wear it? And why is Fergie the villian and Rio the saint?
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Why does it have to be pointed out for you, so you can have a view which you've already formed? It makes no sense, and I really don't think you get this.

Oh, and it's racism.


Striker10 said:
If Rio was against it, he should have told Sir Alex. Period. If he isn't happy with how the Terry case was handled, he should retire from England. If he wants to do something, he can. He has a medium to talk about racism - not incidents that have effected him, prior to the terry inncident. You don't undermine the club. If Rio had a problem, he should have gone to Sir Alex and told him.
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But why? Why should he be held accountable for SAF having a pop at Roberts for no apparent reason? Is it possible SAF shot from the hip in that interview, without thinking about Rio?

Why are we even debating this? There was no need for SAF's original, sad as it is to admit but this debacle has given the media something to aim for and it's his fault in the first place.
 
Magnus said:
What do you think should be done besides not wearing tshirts? Fergie is the boss and what he says goes and he protected Rio when he couldn´t be arsed taking a drugs test. This is the way Rio thanks him for that.
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Are we forever going to be holding this against Rio? Oh, you can't make a stand regarding the crappy battle against racism, you missed a drugs test in 2003!
 
Magnus said:
I´m sorry if I offended you BUT as long as he is in charge he must be obeyed. Stam Becks and Keane for excample knows that.
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There are bigger issues here and Rio needs to stand up to SAF and I think he will. SAF needs to stick to football, he is no longer a union rep in Govan, in fact I think SAF of 1955 would be seriously embarrassed by the 70 year old middle class SAF comments today
 
Magnus said:
What do you think should be done besides not wearing tshirts? Fergie is the boss and what he says goes and he protected Rio when he couldn´t be arsed taking a drugs test. This is the way Rio thanks him for that.
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It's not about thanking SAF or not, his brother was abused and the FA didn't 'kick racism out' . Problem is SAF thinks his authority is more important than that. He's wrong.
 
Redlambs said:
Why does it have to be pointed out for you, so you can have a view which you've already formed? It makes no sense, and I really don't think you get this.

Oh, and it's racism.




But why? Why should he be held accountable for SAF having a pop at Roberts for no apparent reason? Is it possible SAF shot from the hip in that interview, without thinking about Rio?

Why are we even debating this? There was no need for SAF's original, sad as it is to admit but this debacle has given the media something to aim for and it's his fault in the first place.
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Sir Alex is manager of Manchester United. There are so many issues to keep on top of. None of us know why Sir Alex aimed the barb at Roberts. However, it's clear that the campaign is something Sir Alex believes in

I don't think it's an issue. The media will turn it into Rio vs Sir Alex but any quality journalism will result in someone other then Roberts and Rio pointing out what they think...and so it might educate people about the flaws in the system and it might get people pro-active.

Either way, if Rio feels not enough being done - he has a great medium to express that concern, without creating an issue for the club. I'm not talking about the Terry incident specifically. I'm saying if it's sometihng he's felt for a long time...why not just say it?...Just say it - if you think it and if you give that much of a damn, say it. There are ways to express yourself without creating this situation.
 
Striker10 said:
Sir Alex is manager of Manchester United. There are so many issues to keep on top of. None of us know why Sir Alex aimed the barb at Roberts. However, it's clear that the campaign is something Sir Alex believes in

I don't think it's an issue. The media will turn it into Rio vs Sir Alex but any quality journalism will result in someone other then Roberts and Rio pointing out what they think...and so it might educate people about the flaws in the system and it might get people pro-active.

Either way, if Rio feels not enough being done - he has a great medium to express that concern, without creating an issue for the club.
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How has Rio created this issue??? I've never stuck up for a player over SAF, never. But this is SAF's creating, no one else's!
 
Redlambs said:
How has Rio created this issue??? I've never stuck up for a player over SAF, never. But this is SAF's creating, no one else's!
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Are you talking about the Roberts remark? If so, then what has that got to do specifically with Rio? Where was this campaign when Evra was a victim?

Sir Alex could have responded better in the press conference, but if you think Rios a saint, then I don't agree. If Rio told Sir Alex prior that he wouldn't wear it, then fair enough....

Sir Alex could say, well Rio won't be wearing it and we respect his reasons but the rest of our players will be supporting it....where's the problem? If Sir Alex demanded Rio to wear it? Well that's different....

My feeling is when you remove this Terry incident - putting it aside, when has Rio ever stated in public the system isn't working?
 
I'm torn on the issue. On the one hand Rio doesn't believe in the campaign, but on the other he doesn't have to in order to wear the tshirt. The message is still important, and the cause is still important however wank the organisation behind it is. I think the message needs getting across no matter what because it's still an important one. Stopping wearing the tshirt accomplishes nothing. It shows you lost faith in the organisation, but that could be displayed away from the pitch.

On the flip side, Rio obviously feels quite strongly about it, and he has every right to when it comes to the matter, but wearing the shirt doesn't necessarily ask him to declare undying love for the campaign. He could for example have come out and said 'I'll wear the shirt to get the message across because I believe in the message but I don't believe in the people behind it and I think change is needed if we want to accomplish the message.'

Then again on the other side, SAF didn't need to have a pop at Roberts yesterday, or guarantee that all his players would be wearing them. It's the guarantee that's fuelling all of this. Had he not guaranteed it, he wouldn't have looked silly.
 
Striker10 said:
Are you talking about the Roberts remark? If so, then what has that got to do specifically with Rio? Where was this campaign when Evra was a victim?

Sir Alex could have responded better in the press conference, but if you think Rios a saint, then I don't agree. If Rio told Sir Alex prior that he wouldn't wear it, then fair enough....
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Who said Rio is a saint? I hate when people make things up like that to argue.

In this instance, SAF has created the issue. Whether you agree with his stance or not, I don't see how Rio can get so much blame when he hasn't said a word! He just no longer agrees with the campaign, for whatever reasons, and chose not to wear a t-shirt. A fecking t-shirt.

Ferguson only has an issue because of his comments the day before, that much is clear. Those comments were bizarre anyway.


Magnus said:
Why is it a bad thing to tell rasists to go feck themselves?
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:lol: I get it now :smirk:
 
Redlambs said:
Who said Rio is a saint? I hate when people make things up like that to argue.

In this instance, SAF has created the issue. Whether you agree with his stance or not, I don't see how Rio can get so much blame when he hasn't said a word! He just no longer agrees with the campaign, for whatever reasons, and chose not to wear a t-shirt. A fecking t-shirt.

Ferguson only has an issue because of his comments the day before, that much is clear. Those comments were bizarre anyway.




:lol: I get it now :smirk:
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No he didn't Roberts did when he chose through his own free will not to go with it because he did not believe in it - and that's fine and Sir Alex disagreed and some will agree and some won't........It's quite ironic. That T shirt is meant to represent a cause....it's not just a T Shirt. It's a symbol...

If you want to defeat Racism, you either have to support what's going on or offer an alternative. Rio could easily have put on the 'it's only a t shirt'...and said you know what? I put it on but I don't believe in it...it's only a t shirt...

He chose not too, creating an internal situation that's clouding the issue. There should be no debate other then, what can we do to improve the situation for everyone...
 
Magnus said:
Why Welbeck and Evra didn´t join in is beyond me
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A lot of things seem to be.

But this question of other players joining in, you do realise there is such thing as free will don't you? You know, those players have a choice?

Considering the circumstance, considering the family issue, considering the England issue, surely that's a big shining reason right there why he's given up on the campaign? Hypocritical or not, why has SAF made it such a big issue? Oh yeah, because of his bizarre dig at Roberts the day before...
 
Redlambs said:
Who said Rio is a saint? I hate when people make things up like that to argue.

In this instance, SAF has created the issue. Whether you agree with his stance or not, I don't see how Rio can get so much blame when he hasn't said a word! He just no longer agrees with the campaign, for whatever reasons, and chose not to wear a t-shirt. A fecking t-shirt.

Ferguson only has an issue because of his comments the day before, that much is clear. Those comments were bizarre anyway.




:lol: I get it now :smirk:
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yep only a shirt telling everyone that no matter what race you are you are equally worth. Yet he couldnt be arsed wearing it
 
Striker10 said:
No he didn't Roberts did when he chose through his own free will not to go with it because he did not believe in it - and that's fine and Sir Alex disagreed and some will agree and some won't........It's quite ironic. That T shirt is meant to represent a cause....it's not just a T Shirt. It's a symbol...
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That doesn't mean everybody has to agree with the cause, does it.


If you want to defeat Racism, you either have to support what's going on or offer an alternative. Rio couldn't easily have put on the 'it's on a t shirt'...and said you know what? I put it on but I don't believe in it...it's only a t shirt...
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Now you are being silly. This isn't a religion.

Do you not think Rio still wants racism out of the game? Do you not think he has suffered enough lately due to the inept handling of a situation he wasn't involved in?

Remember, we are talking about an FA funded campaign, we wouldn't be talking about this at all if they were independant and actually spoke up recently with all the recent events going on.

Who are you, I or SAF to say what Rio should and shouldn't believe in? He clearly feels let down, so he made his decision. Ferguson has the hump because it's made him look bad due to his over the top comments the day before.
 
Redlambs said:
A lot of things seem to be.

But this question of other players joining in, you do realise there is such thing as free will don't you? You know, those players have a choice?

Considering the circumstance, considering the family issue, considering the England issue, surely that's a big shining reason right there why he's given up on the campaign? Hypocritical or not, why has SAF made it such a big issue? Oh yeah, because of his bizarre dig at Roberts the day before...
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Wasn´t Evra racially abused? Why the feck didn´t he join in Rios protest then? I know there is free will and that alot of things is beyond me. They do have a choice? feck me I didn´t know that.
 
Redlambs said:
That doesn't mean everybody has to agree with the cause, does it.




Now you are being silly. This isn't a religion.

Do you not think Rio still wants racism out of the game? Do you not think he has suffered enough lately due to the inept handling of a situation he wasn't involved in?

Remember, we are talking about an FA funded campaign, we wouldn't be talking about this at all if they were independant and actually spoke up recently with all the recent events going on.

Who are you, I or SAF to say what Rio should and shouldn't believe in? He clearly feels let down, so he made his decision. Ferguson has the hump because it's made him look bad due to his over the top comments the day before.
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It depends on whether wearing the shirt is interpreted as kissing up to the people behind the campaign, or displaying an important message to the world. I'd interpret it as the latter. You can believe in the message and believe it needs to be put out there, even if you have lost confidence in the people behind the message.
 
Responsible for the goal too.

Should be benched for his sheer stupidity and poor match performance.
 
Zarlak said:
It depends on whether wearing the shirt is interpreted as kissing up to the people behind the campaign, or displaying an important message to the world. I'd interpret it as the latter. You can believe in the message and believe it needs to be put out there, even if you have lost confidence in the people behind the message.
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Yep, that's fair point.

However, what seems to being missed here is that I'm not saying Rio is right or wrong for what he did, I'm saying this situation has been taking to this level by SAF's comments the day before, which really were uneccessary. He has now compounded that today, by Rio's stance. Rightly or wrongly, he made this situation worse and I think wrongly in this (and possibly the first time ever) instance.


Now if you ask me what I think of Rio's actions, I'd have wore the t-shirt but said something about it. However, I'm not Rio and I can't tell him what to think about this.
 
It's all moot point.

Rio Ferdinand is a Manchester United player.

Sir Alex Ferguson is THE Boss.

Sir Alex says jump, the player asks "how high?"

Rio can do whatever he likes in his own time, but when he's playing for United and under the Club's badge in representing it, he does whatever the feck Sir Alex tells him to. End of.
 
United Fan 101 said:
It's all moot point.

Rio Ferdinand is a Manchester United player.

Sir Alex Ferguson is THE Boss.

Sir Alex says jump, the player asks "how high?"

Rio can do whatever he likes in his own time, but when he's playing for United and under the Club's badge in representing it, he does whatever the feck Sir Alex tells him to. End of.
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I agree.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
But he's not got the right to force someone who appears to be unhappy with the organisation to wear those poxy t-shirts. Fergie should've kept his mouth shut and talked to Rio in private. As for the campaign itself, I suspect racist abuse becoming taboo...well, at least superficially, has more to do with the changes in society than 'Kick it...' or any other campaign. Some nicely printed KRO T-shirts worn by the likes of Suarez and Terry almost has comic effect, until the FA hand out strong punishment their anti-racism campaign'll seem a tad hollow.
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Do you think the eight match ban for Suarez wasn't enough?

PJ said:
So Rio is supposed to support the organisation that the FA use to pretend they're dealing with racism, while the same FA lets their manager drop him for a racist?

Sir Alex has fecked up here.
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In the past 10 years how many cases of racism have we had here? So how can you say pretend to deal with racism?
 
FFs I am sure there won't be such a massive problem between Fergie and Rio over this.

Maybe a discussion or two over it.
 
Crumpsall Red said:
So the white man Scottish man is right on the subject of racial abuse, and the black men are wrong. Wasn't that Suarez' arguement?
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Wow so wrong on many levels. That reply by you could easily be taken as you being racist! I don't think you are but you need to take deep breaths and calm down. I don't think anybody should bend over to racism but this campaign is a step in the right direction if only a small one and should be supported by all.
 
Redlambs said:
Why do you think I think he shouldn't wear it?
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Why do you think he thinks you think he should not wear it?:D

I think Rio did not want to publically support an organisation which he feels let his little brother down because of (understandable) indignation and loyalty.

I would be astonished if Fergie punished him, astonished.
 
duffer said:
Why do you think he thinks you think he should not wear it?:D

I think Rio did not want to publically support an organisation which he feels let his little brother down because of (understandable) indignation and loyalty.

I would be astonished if Fergie punished him, astonished.
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feck off bluetard:angel:
 
Surely it is upto Rio whether to wear the tshirt or not, and in my opinion this has nothing to do with SAF.
 
United Fan 101 said:
It's all moot point.

Rio Ferdinand is a Manchester United player.

Sir Alex Ferguson is THE Boss.

Sir Alex says jump, the player asks "how high?"

Rio can do whatever he likes in his own time, but when he's playing for United and under the Club's badge in representing it, he does whatever the feck Sir Alex tells him to. End of.
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I'm all for this but I'd add that I think Fergie set up a trip-wire for Rio by drawing a line in the sand with his statement in public. I think he handled that badly as far as I can see. I do sympathise with Rio. But otherwise, Fergie is the boss and Rio should toe the line or face the consequences. I'm sure Rio is fully aware of all the issues but still chose to stand up for his belief and is prepared to wear the consequences. Storm in a teacup. Fergie will wave his big stick and Rio will pay the fine. End.
 
Rio's fault. It's not like he's going out with a shirt that says "F*** me!". It's a good cause, if you have another opinion fine, express it on your free time, or don't wear the shirt when it's not embarrassing your manager. He heard what SAF said yesterday, should have had respected him.
 
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