He's been good except the Stamina part this season. He just keeps getting injured or benched.
Maybe like Pato and other Brazillians recently maybe he could feel that a change of scenery might help.
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He's been good except the Stamina part this season. He just keeps getting injured or benched.
Maybe like Pato and other Brazillians recently maybe he could feel that a change of scenery might help.
Or saying he should aim lower and play regularly for a lesser team.
I'm quite sure I've heard about Anderson asking to leave before. I think Fergie might have mentioned it a while back. So I'm not exactly amazed by the quotes and not at all sure they have any meaning.
Huh, got it. From 2012:
Sir Alex Ferguson has revealed that Brazilian midfielder Anderson came close to leaving the club last summer.
Anderson, 24, was reportedly unhappy about a lack of playing time and Ferguson today confirmed that the midfielder had concerns.
"When he does understand that, he will be a fantastic player here but last season he was talking about leaving because he was not playing in every game," he said.
The biggest obstacle to Anderson's United career has been a succession of injuries, with the Selecao star currently sidelined, once more, with a hamstring problem.
Plus also don't forget that the World cup in Brazil is in 2014, and it's a very big thing for Brazillians. Not playing regularly in England won't help his cause to get into that squad.
If he does move in the summer, can see him going back to Brazil even with the resurgence they are having at the moment in their league. It will help him get into the national team too.
Also, ideally he has been never suited to our system in terms of what attributes he has.
If he does move in the summer, can see him going back to Brazil even with the resurgence they are having at the moment in their league. It will help him get into the national team too.
Also, ideally he has been never suited to our system in terms of what attributes he has.
I agree, but he can't expect to be a regular starter if he keeps getting injured, or not having games consistent or at least of tremendous importance such players like Rooney, Rafael, RVP, Evra, Carrick. Those brazilians that came back were flops, pure and simple. The change of scenery was due the fact they can't perform at top level, or couldn't anymore. Dinho, Pato, Luis Fabiano, Liedson, Carlos Eduardo, maybe not Fred, Seedorf, and Juninho who still got it, even Forlan and Robinho didn't cut anymore.
He's not on Seleção for reasons that were not only due Football, look at Carlos Eduardo, Jadson, Williams and other no ones that should never be there, and the lack of players like Ando and Hernanes for example. CBF is corrupt as feck, and loves to hype players for own interests. Hulk was the last and prime example. He was good, but nowhere near the hype. And Mano happens to be partner with his agent. That happens a lot. It's disgusting.
He was doing great and being regular, but got injuried. Not Fergies fault. Moving down for playing more would show a lot about him. Think about players like Messi, Ronaldo, Fabregas, Aguero, Wilshere doing it?
If these quotes were indeed a burger, they'd be laced with horse and racoon meat.
Why Anderson's Manchester United exit quotes appear absolutely true, despite denial
Footballers giving quotes to their home press and then claiming they were misquoted is a growing trend. Sometimes they are correct but it's not usually the press in their own country doing the misquoting. For example, last week Marouane Fellaini spoke to Sport Wereld in Belgium and The Sun and Sky somehow changed his quotes into a Chelsea come-and-get-me-plea, completely changing the words he had actually said.
Therefore when Sky Sports today said they had quotes from Anderson saying that he'd tried to leave Manchester United, it sounded suspicious The person who had written the article for them was Paulo Freitas who is an excellent source for all things from the Brazilian media so that instantly gave it some credibility.
Globo Esporte were the Brazil source named and the quotes are certainly on Globo Esporte, tucked away at the bottom of an interview they did with Rafael after the Real Madrid match. Sky Sports haven't changed them and the translation hasn't been bent in order to make them a bit sexier. Paulo was entirely correct to say Globo quoted Anderson as saying "What can I say? I have three more years of contract, I have tried to leave many times and never succeeded to do so."
He'd first been asked about the Brazil squad, Brazilians call this the Seleção which means the 'Selection'.
"Selection? Selection is always good, but now we have to think back on that game (Real Madrid) and the Premiership."
Reading between the lines it sounds like Rafael was asked about the national squad first and he said that, because he's getting in the Manchester United team on a regular basis, he hoped that would springboard him into the squad. Then Globo move on to Anderson and say he hasn't been getting in the team and they build a picture of frustration, claiming he has little hope of being called up by Scolari.
Globo Esporte have no reason to make the quote up, they haven't even highlighted it or given it its own article. It's just at the bottom of an article focused on Rafael, and that perhaps explains how much Anderson's star has fallen in Brazil. Next year the country hosts the World Cup and being in that squad is a huge deal, if Anderson can see his chances fading, whilst his young team mate sees his increasing, then it's going to get to him.
He posted the following on his Instagram account early on Friday evening:
Anderson appears to be denying it or regretting it. Globo Esporte aren't someone who we've seen make up quotes or change quotes before. They are a reliable source of information in South America and specifically Brazil, part of the huge Globo group.
If they were going to make up Anderson quotes then it would be pointless for them to then hide those quotes at the bottom of an article on Rafael. There is no gain for them in doing that, the midfielder just isn't the big news over there that he perhaps once was.
Anderson denied rumours linking him to Benfica last October and told Desporto in Portugal that he'd never join the club because he had too much respect for Porto, but he did say he'd like to play in the country, and for Porto, again.
In August 2010, Sir Alex Ferguson was quoted by The Daily Mail as confirming that Anderson had asked to leave the club "When he does understand that (a squad system), he will be a fantastic player here but last season he was talking about leaving because he was not playing in every game.
"I didn't talk to him about leaving. I just let him get it out of his system. Maybe the injury has quelled the storm in his body because he came back here with the same enthusiasm and has been telling me he is ready to play."
This is one of those situations where people will have to use their own judgement, but we simply can't see the motive for Globo to make the quotes up from thin air. Their reporter who wrote the article was in Madrid and took the quotes directly. It seems more like frustration on Anderson's behalf after only getting on with five minutes left against Real Madrid. Given that Ferguson himself has confirmed a past desire for Anderson to leave, it's not exactly shocking stuff either.
If he can get fit and stay fit, and then not get regular games, an exit would be a realistic solution for him if he thinks he still has a chance of getting in the Brazil World Cup squad.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...ester-united-exit-quotes-appear-absolutely-tr
Footballers giving quotes to their home press and then claiming they were misquoted is a growing trend. Sometimes they are correct but it's not usually the press in their own country doing the misquoting. For example, last week Marouane Fellaini spoke to Sport Wereld in Belgium and The Sun and Sky somehow changed his quotes into a Chelsea come-and-get-me-plea, completely changing the words he had actually said.
Therefore when Sky Sports today said they had quotes from Anderson saying that he'd tried to leave Manchester United, it sounded suspicious The person who had written the article for them was Paulo Freitas who is an excellent source for all things from the Brazilian media so that instantly gave it some credibility.
Globo Esporte were the Brazil source named and the quotes are certainly on Globo Esporte, tucked away at the bottom of an interview they did with Rafael after the Real Madrid match. Sky Sports haven't changed them and the translation hasn't been bent in order to make them a bit sexier. Paulo was entirely correct to say Globo quoted Anderson as saying "What can I say? I have three more years of contract, I have tried to leave many times and never succeeded to do so."
He'd first been asked about the Brazil squad, Brazilians call this the Seleção which means the 'Selection'.
"Selection? Selection is always good, but now we have to think back on that game (Real Madrid) and the Premiership."
Reading between the lines it sounds like Rafael was asked about the national squad first and he said that, because he's getting in the Manchester United team on a regular basis, he hoped that would springboard him into the squad. Then Globo move on to Anderson and say he hasn't been getting in the team and they build a picture of frustration, claiming he has little hope of being called up by Scolari.
Globo Esporte have no reason to make the quote up, they haven't even highlighted it or given it its own article. It's just at the bottom of an article focused on Rafael, and that perhaps explains how much Anderson's star has fallen in Brazil. Next year the country hosts the World Cup and being in that squad is a huge deal, if Anderson can see his chances fading, whilst his young team mate sees his increasing, then it's going to get to him.
He posted the following on his Instagram account early on Friday evening:
Anderson appears to be denying it or regretting it. Globo Esporte aren't someone who we've seen make up quotes or change quotes before. They are a reliable source of information in South America and specifically Brazil, part of the huge Globo group.
If they were going to make up Anderson quotes then it would be pointless for them to then hide those quotes at the bottom of an article on Rafael. There is no gain for them in doing that, the midfielder just isn't the big news over there that he perhaps once was.
Anderson denied rumours linking him to Benfica last October and told Desporto in Portugal that he'd never join the club because he had too much respect for Porto, but he did say he'd like to play in the country, and for Porto, again.
In August 2010, Sir Alex Ferguson was quoted by The Daily Mail as confirming that Anderson had asked to leave the club "When he does understand that (a squad system), he will be a fantastic player here but last season he was talking about leaving because he was not playing in every game.
"I didn't talk to him about leaving. I just let him get it out of his system. Maybe the injury has quelled the storm in his body because he came back here with the same enthusiasm and has been telling me he is ready to play."
This is one of those situations where people will have to use their own judgement, but we simply can't see the motive for Globo to make the quotes up from thin air. Their reporter who wrote the article was in Madrid and took the quotes directly. It seems more like frustration on Anderson's behalf after only getting on with five minutes left against Real Madrid. Given that Ferguson himself has confirmed a past desire for Anderson to leave, it's not exactly shocking stuff either.
If he can get fit and stay fit, and then not get regular games, an exit would be a realistic solution for him if he thinks he still has a chance of getting in the Brazil World Cup squad.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...ester-united-exit-quotes-appear-absolutely-tr
Tend to agree with the Sport Witness investigation. Globo esporte don't have reputation of making up quotes from what i gather and if they did why would they hide it in a article about Rafael and Ando somewhere in the side ?
Yeah, believing any one side as gospel would be stupid. I don't see how a publication in his native language could completely misquote him but then again his relationship with Fergie and the team says otherwise and the fact that his injuries have hindered his progress and selection into the our team more than anything. Tough to gauge.
On Instagram, Anderson said "relax, it's not true"
People let themselves go for a while didn't they... now they'll be trying to justify it.
Redcafe...
Redcafe...
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Nearly had a heart attack when I saw the skysports report. Anderson's by far my favourite player even if he hasn't fully established himself as awfully fledged first teamer week in week out.
Happy to hear him deny those quotes, and for me that's better than what some article or what some investigation that bloody sport witness make. I used to be on their forum when they first started so I've never taken them that serious anyway.
But either way, I'm sure Fergie will get questioned on this in the next press conference so will be interesting to hear what he says.
Happy to hear him deny those quotes, and for me that's better than what some article or what some investigation that bloody sport witness make. I used to be on their forum when they first started so I've never taken them that serious anyway.
But either way, I'm sure Fergie will get questioned on this in the next press conference so will be interesting to hear what he says.
Well if he still has 3 years left on his contract that would suggest he has signed one in the last 1-2 seasons so he can't of been that eager to leave can he?
forget these reports, how long do people genuinely think he has left at this club at the current rate/form he is showing.
one more season after this? at the most 2?
one more season after this? at the most 2?
Get rid please
Why? He has been very good pretty much everytime he has gone on the field this season, if anything we could have used him a bit more than we have.
No.
He's had a couple bad performances, one of his more recent performances (I forget which match) was probably the poorest of the lot. But for the most part he's been brilliant and instrumental in a lot of things. Some of his through balls have been brilliant, like the one he provided for I can't remember who against I can't remember who or when.
feck me, I watch a match and then everything goes over my head and I remember nothing, I do not have a good football memory at all but he definitely made a brilliant through ball.
feck me, I watch a match and then everything goes over my head and I remember nothing, I do not have a good football memory at all but he definitely made a brilliant through ball.
I think that its time for him to leave. Its pretty evident that he can't play well week in week out without either losing form or vanish in the treatment room.
Anderson gets far more negativity about his game than he actually deserves. In the majority of games he has played he has been good even if he does tire towards the end of most. The issue is that he starts to impose himself into the team and then gets injured each time so vanishes for a bit before coming back and having to build up momentum again to push himself into the first 11.
Its that stop startness that is the problem, not his ability. He clearly has it and gives the team a very different type of option compared to our other midfielders as he drives forward with the ball.
If he could go injury free for a whole season he would likely be in our first choice eleven.
Whenever Anderson gets injured he seems to turn crap.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him sold in the summer if somebody wanted him. He's been fit for most of this season and as barely gotten a run in the team, when he does play he looks shattered after 60 minutes. He's a decent player but I cant ever see him starting 25-30 games a season for us, lets not sugar coat it he cost us over 25m and was ranked the best young player in Europe at the time he's been a disappointment to say the least.
I can take or leave him to be honest. Happy for him to be part of the team, won't shed a tear if he leaves though.
Andersons Cat - you read my mind
Put it this way - we've seen him for 5 years now and my view on him is still mixed
Very likeable character, good ability but lacks the fitness to play 90 mins!!, can br lacking consistency and the discipline to be the best player he can be....
I think we need some changes in the midfield this summer with Fletchers ongoing problems - if Anderson left it wouldn't bother me
Put it this way - we've seen him for 5 years now and my view on him is still mixed
Very likeable character, good ability but lacks the fitness to play 90 mins!!, can br lacking consistency and the discipline to be the best player he can be....
I think we need some changes in the midfield this summer with Fletchers ongoing problems - if Anderson left it wouldn't bother me
I don't care how good or bad he is but I want Anderson to stay at United forever. How can anyone possibly not love Anderson!? We need people to dance in front of opposing keepers.
Would love him to stay. His performances, in the whole, have been good over the last 2 years. He just needs to stay fit which, sadly, I don't see happening.
And we are hoping for that for how long now?
The whole time he has been here, and it is the problem with him. But some people on here are just calling him crap overall when he is a good player when he is fit.
Having him part of the squad isn't going to stop us getting a new midfielder. With Fletcher needing to be replaced and Scholes likely as well, we already have room for at least one more midfielder. So keeping him is still the better option in my mind then selling him off cheap.
I think the guys hilarious and a very loveable character, but I think he has to go. I think the quotes are real (as most sensible non-united fans would probably agree with) and you cannot undermine the manager like that.
People will mention Rooney but Ando hasn't displayed even half of Rooney's talent. He's done well lately which might allow us to recoup a decent amount on the investment (no way near what we paid but thats the risk you take with young players).
It's time the Anderson experiment ended.
People will mention Rooney but Ando hasn't displayed even half of Rooney's talent. He's done well lately which might allow us to recoup a decent amount on the investment (no way near what we paid but thats the risk you take with young players).
It's time the Anderson experiment ended.
This isn't true, to be fair. He's had some absolutely all-conquering performances at his best - performances that would make him one of the best midfielders around if they were put in more regularly. That Chelsea game this season for example was one hell of a performance and against a top team to boot.
Some players have the odd cracker of a game and it's more reflective of form or a purple patch than talent, but with Anderson the ability and attributes are very clear. I don't know if he'll make it here given the size of the squad and his injury record but it'd be a godsend if he did.
I hate all this "he is unfit/fat" bullshit that people commonly accept as truthful and fact. Plenty of this shite closed mind comments on this page. Fact of the matter is there is a big difference between being matchfit and generally fit due to training only. To be match fit you need a string of games together, Anderson has never really had a consistant run in the team and it is hard as feck to get match fit, as training is a different tempo altogether.
darren campbell the runner is an example of this, he trained his socks off for 100m dash, fit as feck, yet when it came to playing the charity match series over the years he struggled on the pitch as he wasnt matchfit and it effects you different ways, training only gets you so far as he explained himself. Playing matches is the only way to maintain full fitness.
Plus the effort Ando puts into games is unreal, he tracks back and pushes forward with great energy. A box-to-box midfielder is always tough on the body. Midfielder wise only players we have had that can do it all day long is Tony V and 3-lung-Park.
Get your head our of the headlights. If he wasnt fit enough to play, Fergie would have kicked him out the door ages ago. Heck he fined and dropped Rooney for being shite at 1 training session. If Ando wasnt putting in the required work he would have been treated the exact same.
I agree that his injuries have limited his potential (I hate that word). But when you look at it objectively, He's never put forward a consistant season of performances. Every player has a couple of games a season where they blow people away, I remember people saying we should sign Charlie fecking Adam for gods sake!
When you compare Ando to Cleverley I think most will see my point. Cleverley had less 'potential' than Anderson. We've sent him on Loan to Watford and Wigan, we didn't pay a Huge fee for him. But at the end of it. He works his socks off for the club. He's never shied away from any occasion and always gives 110% (cliche alert!) and never complained about simply being a squad member. He's got his head down, got on with the job and is fully prepared to learn from those around him.
Anderson has not he's been here what? 5 years? Surrounded by some of the best talents in the business. He should by now have made one of the midfield spots his own. It's not for lack of opportunity or talent around him.
To be fair, every single time he has looked like making a spot his own, he's picked up an injury again, just as happened this season. It's been the story of his entire time here. It's a real shame cause I don't see the little injuries going away & he always takes a while after injury to get into the swing of things, would be different if he always came back & hit the ground running.
Looks like a great character to have around the squad though.
He'll get over his injuries as some point, there aren't long terms injuries like doing your ACL but they are recurrent muscular ones.I think at some point he will be relatively fit for long periods of time but when that happens, will he still be at United ?
Hard to know koroux, I was also in no doubt that an injury free Saha would've become a legend here, but at some point I guess you have to say, no more.
Anderson is young enough though & even if these quotes are true, SAF won't be too bothered, he seems to like the boy and wouldn't let him leave before.
Anderson is young enough though & even if these quotes are true, SAF won't be too bothered, he seems to like the boy and wouldn't let him leave before.
His energy has been good this year, he gives us something we don't have outside of him and when Giggs starts tearing it up, and he's not really had any games where he's been trying ambitious balls and constantly fluffing them. He's been really incisive and has helped us win a few matches with his passing, and I am willing to be patient with regards to his injuries.
He's a professional football that gasses out after 60 minutes, he looks like he wants to keel over at times. This is a guy that trains and plays a professional sport almost everyday of the week there's no excuse for such poor fitness no matter how many games he's played.
He's not fit enough and can't get fit enough that's the main reason he doesn't put a string of games together, he clearly doesn't look after himself the way he should, jokes aside you can see how much weight he gains at times, he piles on the pounds.
Anderson gets a 'free pass' by a lot of fans due to him being a nice guy (
), the truth of the matter is he cost us 25m and hasn't live up to the potential that seen him win best young player in Europe, far from it.Some players are just unlucky with injuries, RVP a prime example and look how he turned out, there is the flip side of course with players like saha but if (and here we go again with the same old cliche) he does get past these injuries then he will be some player for us.
He's displayed excellent football for us a lot of times and id hate to see him get over his injuries and flourish elsewhere.
He's displayed excellent football for us a lot of times and id hate to see him get over his injuries and flourish elsewhere.
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