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Strange performance...
Was magnificent for 20 minutes in 2nd half, when we won the game. Otherwise was pretty average.
But I really like him and still hoping he'll stay.
 
Was magnificent for 20 minutes in 2nd half, when we won the game. Otherwise was pretty average.

I was really pleased with how both he and Cleverley realised they needed to take the game by the scruff of the neck in that second half and did so, it has been passing them by beforehand. Quite mature of the pair imo, promising.
 
It's easy to mention Toure, or whoever else, but how often does he play to the level of players like that? Not very from what I've seen. So the comparisons (and the allowances being made) don't make a lot of sense to me. Even if you allow for injuries, he's been here a long, long time and hasn't been able to make the shirt his own. It's just a constant cycle. He plays poorly, gets a few games and plays well enough to give people real hope, has a few iffy games which are excused because he's not played many games, plays well again and then gets injured. Repeat ad nauseum.

We don't really know whether he's doing enough to avoid, or at least limit, those, but looking at his physical appearance at times here (not at the moment) and his almost inability to play at full pelt for more than an hour, you're entitled to wonder. Given that he runs himself out before the end of every game he might need to think about changing something.

He has a lot of good qualities, but without any real, sustained consistency - whether in terms of performances or appearances - even those can seem a bit underwhelming at times. Though I have to admit that a lot of this is premised on me finding it annoying how many midfielders we have that seem to either not be capable of playing a run of games in a row (Giggs, Scholes, Fletch) and to a lesser extent, Ando.
 
Mentioning Toure had nothing to do with ability, it had to do with fitness levels only. Thought that was obvious?

Toure is a prime example of an excellent experienced CM that tires in games, noticeably.
 
In fairness to Anderson, even with all the injuries and the stop start career he's had here, I do think he has improved from the day we signed him to now. Before it would be a good game or two, followed by an abysmal one and injury thereafter.

Now I think the worst were going to get is a 6/10 and sometimes he'll do better, which probably means he'll never be the main man here like we envisioned and hoped, just a good dependable squad player which isn't a bad thing. There a very few teams in world football that I'd be opposed to having Anderson in our starting lineup.
 
The guy is just not up to it. I hope Fergie gets rid in the summer in order to spare some posters the trouble of having to talk him up after every game. One good game followed by several bad ones is just not acceptable for a midfielder playing at this level.
 
Again, he's a squad player, always has been, always will be as long as he's at United. He wasn't great yesterday.
 
The guy is just not up to it. I hope Fergie gets rid in the summer in order to spare some posters the trouble of having to talk him up after every game. One good game followed by several bad ones is just not acceptable for a midfielder playing at this level.

You really hate the guy don't you? He could do anything and you'd slate him.

He was far better then Cleverely tonight, and I like Tom.
 
Ando had a few moments v Reading (let's not forget the context) that pleased the eye, but his performance overall was mediocre at best and arguably dire. Put a different way, he certainly didn't make a case for inclusion in the XI v Real or even QPR.

The sooner we realize it's just not working for him at Old Trafford, the better for all parties involved.
 
You really hate the guy don't you? He could do anything and you'd slate him.

He was far better then Cleverely tonight, and I like Tom.

That's just not true, by any stretch of the imagination.

Ando was good in the latter stages of the 2nd half. Other than that, Cleverly performed better over the course of the game.
 
That's just not true, by any stretch of the imagination.

Ando was good in the latter stages of the 2nd half. Other than that, Cleverly performed better over the course of the game.

Look at the stats. Ando touched the ball a lot more, had a higher pass rating, more tackles, covered more ground, and gave the ball away less.

So said Newstalk.
 
Cleverley has a much bigger future with this club than Anderson. What Cleverley has contributed this season, his first real one, has surpassed anything Anderson has done in previous seasons.
 
Look at the stats. Ando touched the ball a lot more, had a higher pass rating, more tackles, covered more ground, and gave the ball away less.

So said Newstalk.

Stats never tell the whole story. Yes, Tom unusually gave the ball away a few times, but in general, he kept things ticking far better than Anderson did.
 
I thought he was ok tonight, some decent driving runs, even if he's never a regular starter we need squad depth in all positions.
 
I said this two pages ago. There was no such report of him saying like that at globoesporte website. Nor Ojogo or SS gave a straight reference. fecking lying media.

This is what I also said a couple of pages ago, I can't find the original reference to it anywhere on globo, who supposedly did the interview...smells like bullshit, or at least semi made-up stuff, to me.

The brazilian commentators on ESPN referred to these quotes AGAIN during the Reading match, fecking pisses me off when not even the commentators can be asked to check the sources.
 
Again, I differ from the general consensus as I thought he had a decent game. He is good against opposition with weaker midfield, that provide him enough space to express himself. He was good in the first half and carved the defense open a couple of times and then drove the team forward in the second. If it was Rooney and RVP instead of Welbeck and Hernadez we would have run havoc last night.

It tough to control games when you are playing with your midfield partner after an age. Continuity is essential to see the best from a pairing. If he can stay fit then he would be a very useful squad player for us. Not a very top midfielder but good enough. His desire in never in question.
 
Played ok last night - thought he faded badly as-per-usual - but still had a decent enough game. No need to go overboard and say he was amazing, just as there would be no need to say he was poor. Not his best game, granted, but not his worst either.
 
He had a good game. Yes, he over-hit a few passes but he also made some good runs towards the box, taking the ball forward which our center midfielders (bar Cleverley) rarely can do.
 
Again, he's a squad player, always has been, always will be as long as he's at United. He wasn't great yesterday.

I'm becoming resigned to this opinion of Anderson. Certainly useful in specific situations and on his day very effective, but there's a ceiling on how important he can be to Manchester United.

Hopefully he proves me wrong.
 
Mentioning Toure had nothing to do with ability, it had to do with fitness levels only. Thought that was obvious?

Toure is a prime example of an excellent experienced CM that tires in games, noticeably.

But what's that got to do with Anderson? Is Toure not being as fit as he should be some kind of consolation or excuse for Anderson.

I never get the link when somebody brings up Toure or Ozil, what is the relevance of a guy in Spain to the guy we have playing in Manchester?
 
I doubt he will ever become the player we once thought he could be.

He can still be a good squad player though, if he stays fit, but the endless reliance on him to turn into the great player we thought he would be and solve our midfield problems needs to end.
 
still a young lad but at the stage now where he should be getting regular football, especially considering his injury problems in the past.
At his best, he's very good. But at his worst, hes a complete passenger.

Tbh, with Fletcher gone, I'd be very worried about what kind of midfield we'd put out consistently if something happened to Carrick.
 
That's just not true, by any stretch of the imagination.

Ando was good in the latter stages of the 2nd half. Other than that, Cleverly performed better over the course of the game.

By any stretch of the imagination? Well, I think Anderson was clearly better and that Cleverley was awfully wasteful with the ball. He looks a bit tired on the ball whereas Ando still has the ability to accelerate past pretty much any player. He also had two good chances on goal. He's not yet the player to carry the team on his own, and let's be honest, the team was woeful in the first half!
 
But what's that got to do with Anderson? Is Toure not being as fit as he should be some kind of consolation or excuse for Anderson.

I never get the link when somebody brings up Toure or Ozil, what is the relevance of a guy in Spain to the guy we have playing in Manchester?

Cleverley fades badly after 60 minutes, arguably more so than Anderson; would you deem him unfit also? Perhaps it has more to do with their playing styles that takes a lot out of them (Wilshere seems to be able to pull that off though).
 
Cleverley fades badly after 60 minutes, arguably more so than Anderson; would you deem him unfit also? Perhaps it has more to do with their playing styles that takes a lot out of them (Wilshere seems to be able to pull that off though).

I haven't seen yesterdays game yet but fom what I hear it was Cleverley who stepped on the accelerator in the last 10minutes and pushed us on. Is that not the case?

This playing style explanation is a dodgy excuse creeping into the modern game. Are you actually suggesting Anderson has developed a new style, unseen before, that renders him unable to compete fully for 90mins?
 
Football is a funny old game. I come away last night thinking Cleverley and Anderson had done really well to take the game by the scruff of the neck when they needed it and really pushed us on. Nani coming on certainly helped, but we had 85% possession at one point and I thought it was down to the midfields constant pressure. They both always wanted the ball, both made some good runs, and TC had some very good efforts. I really liked our performance last night considering it was essentially our second string. I thought our biggest problems were the two full backs who didn't offer anything like what Evra and Rafael are capable of.
 
Bu so what? Is it ok for Anderson to not be as fit as he should be because a bloke from another team is in the same boat?

I'm not sure you're understanding my point, or maybe you just didn't read back fully. What I was saying was this:

If Anderson's fitness is due to him being a shit trainer & not dedicated enough, apparently "most probably going for a kebab after the game", is that also true of Yaya Toure? Or is it maybe that they play in such a swashbuckling style that they are always destined to be out of gas around the 70 minute mark no matter how much training they put in.

I can't say I know the answer, I don't, but I think it's a valid point and don't understand why you completely dismissed any comparisons with other players that also struggle to see games through. As I said the other day, I'm sure Anderson could tone down his game and see 90 mins through no problem, if he played like Carrick he'd piss it, but then he'd lose everything he is good at.
 
He looked good, but as many say, time isn't on his side... 4/5 years ago when he signed, if you were told you would sign a CM for the 18mil or w/e he was and then show u what he has done here in 5 years, you wouldn't have signed him.. so far he is a failure..

I hope he turns that around.
 
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