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Gasses out after 60 minutes... Why is this myth perpetuated? He does some of the most blistering runs you'll ever see over the course of a season, and sometimes this season he's been doing them at the end of matches, and even DEFENSIVELY.

Sick of hearing these things.
 
Eriku said:
Gasses out after 60 minutes... Why is this myth perpetuated? He does some of the most blistering runs you'll ever see over the course of a season, and sometimes this season he's been doing them at the end of matches, and even DEFENSIVELY.

Sick of hearing these things.
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I'm with you on that, id love to see a player cam of him so we can see just how much he runs, he runs a lot in bursts so its no surprising he gets tired. I remember earlier in the season he ran half way down the pitch tracking back and made a last ditch tackle in the 85th minute.
 
Eriku said:
Gasses out after 60 minutes... Why is this myth perpetuated? He does some of the most blistering runs you'll ever see over the course of a season, and sometimes this season he's been doing them at the end of matches, and even DEFENSIVELY.

Sick of hearing these things.
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There's been plenty of times (more often than not when he get's substituted tbh) when he's just to tired to continue, you can see it in his play and expressions. Stop kidding yourself.
As a player he's got ability, I don't see his name on the team sheet and have doubts about him doing his job but there's no excuse for his general fitness it should be better.
 
Castia said:
He's a professional football that gasses out after 60 minutes, he looks like he wants to keel over at times. This is a guy that trains and plays a professional sport almost everyday of the week there's no excuse for such poor fitness no matter how many games he's played.
He's not fit enough and can't get fit enough that's the main reason he doesn't put a string of games together, he clearly doesn't look after himself the way he should, jokes aside you can clearly see how much weight he gains at times, he piles on the pounds.

Anderson gets a 'free pass' by a lot of fans due to him being a nice guy (:confused:), the truth of the matter is he cost us 25m and hasn't live up to the potential that seen him win best young player in Europe, far from it.
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Missing the point here. Huge difference between match fitness and general fitness gained from the just the training pitch. You need consistant games to build the level back up. 60 minutes in high tempo match is still a damn tough work ethic for someone floating in and out of the team, especially for the range he covers on the pitch.

Him putting on loads of weight is a myth aswell. Google is pre-season pics and you can see he is pretty lean, he just has a muscular build. It is an easy cop out and a retarded answer. Again if he leaves himself go and isnt putting in the required effort, WHY does fergie leave him anywhere near the first team???

This in no way gives him a free pass, his form before getting injured around Christmas was impressive. He shows flashes of what he can do, but in no way to justify his pricetag.
 
Your calling my answers a 'myth' though when they aren't that's my point. He's piled the pounds on numerous occasions the pictures have been seen by everybody to see. He struggles in the majority of games after 60 minutes of play and needs to be replaced. Both of those arguments are valid in my opinion there's no myth to either of em.
I dont think he's fit enough and hasn't been for a while now, part of that is due to injuries but he could have done better (fitness wise) if you disagree then that's your opinion but he's not showed me any different in recent years.
 
Castia said:
Your calling my answers a 'myth' though when they aren't that's my point. He's piled the pounds on numerous occasions the pictures have been seen by everybody to see. He struggles in the majority of games after 60 minutes of play and needs to be replaced. Both of those arguments are valid in my opinion there's no myth to either of em.
I dont think he's fit enough and hasn't been for a while now, part of that is due to injuries but he could have done better (fitness wise) if you disagree then that's your opinion but he's not showed me any different in recent years.
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Of course it is a myth, I keep going back to why the hell Fergie would leave him near the team? If he isnt fit then he isnt taking his place at United seriously, especially mid season. Off season it can happen because of his build, but look at the pre-season photos of him and he was very fit and ripped. Weight jibes are a joke when he averages 65-70kgs weight wise, which is under the ideal weight for a man of his height and frame.

You also keep neglecting my point about 60 minutes. Do you not have an answer for it then?? Match fitness, I keep gonig back to it. You need to play at that level consistantly to have the required fitness, plus the work level he does. If he played the role as striker he would be fine, jsut the fact he runs box to box takes its toll when you are not playing consistantly. Training will bring you only so far, you need games to maximise fitness, due to the nature of the stop-start running it effects the wear on the body quicker than running at a constant speed on a treadmill say.
 
Mr Anderson said:
You also keep neglecting my point about 60 minutes. Do you not have an answer for it then?? Match fitness, I keep gonig back to it. You need to play at that level consistantly to have the required fitness, plus the work level he does. If he played the role as striker he would be fine, jsut the fact he runs box to box takes its toll when you are not playing consistantly. Training will bring you only so far, you need games to maximise fitness, due to the nature of the stop-start running it effects the wear on the body quicker than running at a constant speed on a treadmill say.
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Ho yeah no doubt that match fitness plays a factor but that usually applies for players coming back from an injury or if they haven't played for an extended period of time, Anderson as been available for selection for large parts of this season though and still he's struggling. The problems go hand in hand If your general fitness levels aren't high then it doesn't matter what match fitness you have. He can't be given anymore game time because in the second half of games he's completely fecked and needs to be replaced. It's ok saying he needs more match fitness but he's not capable of completing a match at the moment, he needs to work harder.
 
60 mins aint really true. He usually looks spent around 75 but even then I've seen him make some lung busting runs to help out in defence after 85. I think the difference with Anderson, compared to say Carrick is that it's more obvious when he's tiring, just like it is with Toure. It's all to do with how they play before tiring. I think both Toure and Ando offer plenty after 70 minutes, just not as much as they do for the first 60-65.
 
I'm always right said:
60 mins aint really true. He usually looks spent around 75 but even then I've seen him make some lung busting runs to help out in defence after 85. I think the difference with Anderson, compared to say Carrick is that it's more obvious when he's tiring, just like it is with Toure. It's all to do with how they play before tiring. I think both Toure and Ando offer plenty after 70 minutes, just not as much as they do for the first 60-65.
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Yeah I agree to some extent and I hate spending 5-6 posts sounding like im having a dig at one of our own players because Anderson is a decent player even if I think his fitness is shite. I was just making a point that I feel he could be fitter, no doubt his injuries have knocked him back over the years but still. It just annoys me at what he could have been though, he won the best young player in europe in 08, the same award won by the likes of Messi, Fabregas and Aguero in recent years, that coupled with his 25m fee and its hard to accept his fitness levels for me.
 
Thing is, I'm not sure Anderson can get "fitter" without sacrificing much his game, hell Yaya Toure is one of the best in the World, much more experienced than Ando and he still can't manage it.

I'm sure if Ando toned down his game he'll complete 90 without ever tiring, but it'd be detriment to his game imo.
 
Castia said:
Ho yeah no doubt that match fitness plays a factor but that usually applies for players coming back from an injury or if they haven't played for an extended period of time, Anderson as been available for selection for large parts of this season though and still he's struggling. The problems go hand in hand If your general fitness levels aren't high then it doesn't matter what match fitness you have. He can't be given anymore game time because in the second half of games he's completely fecked and needs to be replaced. It's ok saying he needs more match fitness but he's not capable of completing a match at the moment, he needs to work harder.
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But that's the thing, working harder on the training field will bear no fruit. Consistant gametime is the only way to hit your potential for a player who cover alot of ground. You cant have the required fitness if you play 2 games, then a few sub appearences here and there.

It didnt help either we were unable to close out games, tactical switches to shut-out the opposition when Ando was part of a 3 man midfield and we revert back to a 4 man midfield. It isnt always down to him huffing and puffing.
 
I'm always right said:
Thing is, I'm not sure Anderson can get "fitter" without sacrificing much his game, hell Yaya Toure is one of the best in the World, much more experienced than Ando and he still can't manage it.

I'm sure if Ando toned down his game he'll complete 90 without ever tiring, but it'd be detriment to his game imo.
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I think this is the key point. Anderson's playing style is what tires him out by the end. He plays with a high intensity and im sure if he reduced that intensity by 10-15% he would be able to see games out but that 10-15% is what makes him special imo.

Özil often gets subbed off often looking spent at the end like Anderson. Again I think it's because of his playing style but he wouldn't get labeled fat and unfit.
 
I'm always right said:
To be fair, every single time he has looked like making a spot his own, he's picked up an injury again, just as happened this season. It's been the story of his entire time here. It's a real shame cause I don't see the little injuries going away & he always takes a while after injury to get into the swing of things, would be different if he always came back & hit the ground running.

Looks like a great character to have around the squad though.
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Yeah, there's no way you can take injury out of the equation. He's had ridiculous misfortune in that aspect.

There's also the fact that we employ a 2 man midfield, which means that he may perhaps at many points earlier on have had more responsibility than an up and coming central midfielder (who wasn't really a centre midfielder to begin with by all accounts) could've done with at times when he has played after returning. It's not exactly been the easiest ride, and it's not like he's not looked top class for large enough periods when he has been fit.
 
In parts he looked good today but just got the impression that the whole team looked disjointed which didn't help him.
 
Was solid today.
 
Suddenly got a burst of energy in the second half for bout twenty minutes. That's about it, the rest of it was meh.
 
I think he was getting some unfair stick at half time even though he'd had a decent half. He was very good in the second half though! Played on till after the 80th minute without looking tired or "fat".
 
Him and Cleverley were far too passive for a good 50 mins then they upped it a lot.
 
Some heavy passes but drove us forward quite a few times. That passing rhythm is only going to come with games and not sure if he will be getting any with consistency.
 
Thought he really upped his game between 60-80 mins. Was a real driving force in that 20 mins burst. Was pretty wayward prior to that.
 
Ok, maybe he needs matches to get really match fit. But sorry, however you play, and he clearly gives his all in matches, there is no excuse for a pro footballer to be out on his feet after 60 or 70 mins, and he is, every time. It has to come down to a lack of proper dedication in training.
 
Tbf, he looked better than Cleverley, who probably played one of his worst games this season IMO.
 
Amar__ said:
Tbf, he looked better than Cleverley, who probably played one of his worst games this season IMO.
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Weird. I thought that Cleverley was OK. Anderson played well for 15 minutes and for the rest was either poor or anonymous. I still don't see him as a Manchester United midfielder, at least not 1-3 choice.
 
sincher said:
Ok, maybe he needs matches to get really match fit. But sorry, however you play, and he clearly gives his all in matches, there is no excuse for a pro footballer to be out on his feet after 60 or 70 mins, and he is, every time. It has to come down to a lack of proper dedication in training.
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Ando is not the only one who ends up often being subbed due to getting a bit tired as the game wears on. Toure, Ozil, even our Kagawa get gassed after the 70 min mark.

Can't be due to lack of dedication to training especially at Utd when there is so much sports science and got Fergie who would not stand for players that are not dedicated.
 
These is only so much any club can do. A player can do enough in training but if they are not really busting a gut and doing the right things outside of that they won't get there. Ando seems not to want it enough, to me.
 
And kagawa does not have the same problem. Never seen him come off a pitch looking like he needs oxygen and a Big Mac.
 
I don't think Ando doesn't put in a shift in training. He wouldn't have stayed here for so many years if he were a lazy fecker.
For me he did pretty well today. (I did miss from the 45th to the 57th minute though.)
 
Kagawa hardly makes the runs Anderson does. But still comes of the field tired and can see it in his game. But you've got it set in your mind that Ando problem stems from lack of dedication so no point discussing further.
 
You just know that on the way home he's picking up a large doner kebab and chips. Im being serious to, wouldn't surprise me one bit.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
Weird. I thought that Cleverley was OK. Anderson played well for 15 minutes and for the rest was either poor or anonymous. I still don't see him as a Manchester United midfielder, at least not 1-3 choice.
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As I said in his thread, not his most convincing performance this season, misplaced too much passes in dangerous areas, and his through balls were mainly overhit, and he tried a lot of them(including the long balls).
 
I don't really care about him getting knackered

I just worry about whether he's really the kind of midfielder we're playing him as, or something. He did a lot tonight that was good, his passing was good at times. But when we haven't got the ball, where is he? Him and Clev sold themselves a lot tonight and left big gaps behind them.

And even when we have got the ball, often he's just not available for the pass.

I'm just still not quite seeing it happening yet, him maturing into a proper midfielder for United. It's weird.
 
Other way round for me. I think he shows he has the game to be a first teamer for us, but he just doesn't have the fitness right, and is often shocking off the ball late in games. I don't think there is any excuse for it, and I'm not even sure it would change if he was in the team every week.
 
Meh performance from him today.

Some good moments and some bad. Really inconsistent.
 
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