fergies team selections

I've really enjoyed our fluid, attacking football in that half. We've been class.

:rolleyes:





Considering how these were such laughable posts to many pre-game, I'd love to hear about your collective assessments of the opening 45 minutes that we've just seen.

We're still well in the game and in with a chance of claiming all three points, but I think we are dicing with danger continuing with that line-up.

The post you quoted wasnt that laughable. Its the first one which bumped the thread, which was laughable and still is.
 
I've really enjoyed our fluid, attacking football in that half. We've been class.

:rolleyes:





Considering how these were such laughable posts to many pre-game, I'd love to hear about your collective assessments of the opening 45 minutes that we've just seen.

We're still well in the game and in with a chance of claiming all three points, but I think we are dicing with danger continuing with that line-up.

I came back to see you tell everyone "I told you so"
 
The post you quoted wasnt that laughable. Its the first one which bumped the thread, which was laughable and still is.

Which part was laughable about it? Can you not see how that line-up was a disaster from the minute it was announced? We've conceded the initiative to City from the outset, and I'm sick of seeing this team, with all the talent at its disposal, do that, especially in the big games.
 
I've gotten used to one of the old guys out there for derby's. He's been doing it a while. Usually backfires on the defensive end.

Still, it'll work out once Hernandez comes in
 
Fergie has been absolutely shocking today. As far as managerial performances go, this is one of the worst I've seen all season.
 
Fergie has been absolutely shocking today. As far as managerial performances go, this is one of the worst I've seen all season.

:lol:

Shut up, you Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.

You're not a Top Red you know unless you profess everything is rosy in the Theatre of Dreams. Ferguson is above reproach, didn't you get the memo?
 
No idea why he refuses to make a substitute before the 70th minute. His refusal to take off Giggs too is ridiculous.

Game was crying out for a midfield change. We made it far too late.
 
Fergie has been absolutely shocking today. As far as managerial performances go, this is one of the worst I've seen all season.

I definitely agree with that, tactically this was terrible from him tonight.No early changes, bringing Hernandez at 83rd min :wenger:
 
I definitely agree with that, tactically this was terrible from him tonight.No early changes, bringing Hernandez at 83rd min :wenger:

As if Hernandez would pass to himself and score at the same time.
This is the worst football we have played - Giggs should please retire.
 
his reluctance to make a change was fecking awful.

kagawa in the 91st minute ffs.
 
Substitutions were pointless given they were almost 5 hours after the game.

Giggs in central midfield

Giggs somehow stating on the pitch despite not being seen on it.

Setting us up to play dull, uninteresting and negative football.
 
No idea why he refuses to make a substitute before the 70th minute. His refusal to take off Giggs too is ridiculous.

Game was crying out for a midfield change. We made it far too late.

So what midfield change would you have made? And why?
 
Why the feck did he set out to play like that? I dont mean 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 or whatever else but the style of play, sitting 10 players on the 30 yard line and inviting pressure, it's been happening all season. fecking shit football even though we have one of the best squads in European football.
 
So what midfield change would you have made? And why?

giggs off for cleverley on the hour.

leaving giggs blowing out his arse for the full 90 in midfield was suicidal. love giggs, but not in a midfield two against city.
 
Tbf I'd much rather have seen rooney drop in to midfield with giggs coming off then giggs staying on. He just had one of those games where it wasn't coming off for him where as Rooney was doing alright. Only risk was he was on a yellow and had had a few more fouls already.

Thought Kagawa or nani was needed a lot earlier but all in all I think it was our approach rather than the players that was the issue.
 
So what midfield change would you have made? And why?

Giggs off and Cleverley on.

Or Rooney dropping to CM and Kagawa coming on for Giggs.

Giggs was poor, at fault for their first and should've been substituted by the 60th minute at the latest.
 
Why the feck did he set out to play like that? I dont mean 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 or whatever else but the style of play, sitting 10 players on the 30 yard line and inviting pressure, it's been happening all season. fecking shit football even though we have one of the best squads in European football.

Aye it's fecking ridiculous, just so, so deep.
 
Eh?

More like; it's plain as day that we don't give a feck what City do, we'll be playing our game. 3 strikers, a winger and Giggs playing means not one feck has been given by Fergie, we're going out to attack them.

Yep, that's anything but a defensive lineup.


Lol? How is 4-4-2 with giggs and carrick defensive


:lol:

What a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.



40 minutes before the game actually starts.....That has to be a record!

They've left Aguero on the bench. Who is scared here?!

Dearie dearie me.

Scared of City? I don't like the lineup put out (because of Young, and Giggs in a midfield two), but that is anything but a defensive lineup. Also we had no choice with the defenders.

Did you see the wrong line-up? :confused:

Bizarre criticism.

feck's sake, frogie!!!!11!

You said we're running scared. That line up is a lot of things, defensive isnt one of them.

No no no nahleihai

This is like Scholesy's 'if we win 100-0 the lineup was still wrong' moment.

I was honestly confused to see this thread up today.

We've been good.

Abject. Abysmal. Disastrous. Hopeless. Pitiful. Miserable. Wretched. All adjectives you could use to describe tonight's farce. Still, there's some deluded posters who have serious Red-tinted glasses on and who struggle to see our oh-so-obvious shortcomings.

That result was coming a mile off once those line-ups were announced. City's looked strong and imposing, particularly in midfield, where we looked especially weak and feeble. It appears that we'll never learn from our mistakes - both managerially and on the field of play. Mancini made a comment yesterday saying that United's opponents make it easy for us to beat them, often rolling over before a ball is kicked. Maybe it was a round-about way of saying that we don't have the nous to beat a well-drilled and tactically advanced team, which we have proven time and again when the chips have been down in recent seasons.

It's embarrassing seeing City come to our patch and dominate like that, especially when we know we could have put it up to them had the right personnel been selected. The most damning thing about tonight was the 1-2 scoreline was kind to us; our only clear-cut chance was an own goal. That in itself tells its own story. We shouldn't keep harping on to the old days, but in Keane's, Cantona's, Schemeichel's day, we would never have been out-fought and out-thought like that on out own patch.

Infuriating.
 
Giggs off and Cleverley on.

Or Rooney dropping to CM and Kagawa coming on for Giggs.

Giggs was poor, at fault for their first and should've been substituted by the 60th minute at the latest.

Very OTT and made with the benefit of hindsight. I highly doubt Cleverley coming on would have made any difference whatsoever, not like he has been a shining light recently. Rooney was constantly dropping into midfield anyway. Yes Giggs gave the ball away for the 1st but he wasn't the only one to cede possession in the middle. He had feck all help to be fair to him. He is an easy target but for me it was the forward players who let us down, particularly Van Persie. Looked completely lethargic and short of ideas, couldn't hold the ball well which in turn put pressure on our midfielders.

The players have run out of steam to be honest...can hardly blame Ferguson it was a narrow loss against a team with a point to prove.
 
Abject. Abysmal. Disastrous. Hopeless. Pitiful. Miserable. Wretched. All adjectives you could use to describe tonight's farce. Still, there's some deluded posters who have serious Red-tinted glasses on and who struggle to see our oh-so-obvious shortcomings.

That result was coming a mile off once those line-ups were announced. City's looked strong and imposing, particularly in midfield, where we looked especially weak and feeble. It appears that we'll never learn from our mistakes - both managerially and on the field of play. Mancini made a comment yesterday saying that United's opponents make it easy for us to beat them, often rolling over before a ball is kicked. Maybe it was a round-about way of saying that we don't have the nous to beat a well-drilled and tactically advanced team, which we have proven time and again when the chips have been down in recent seasons.

It's embarrassing seeing City come to our patch and dominate like that, especially when we know we could have put it up to them had the right personnel been selected. The most damning thing about tonight was the 1-2 scoreline was kind to us; our only clear-cut chance was an own goal. That in itself tells its own story. We shouldn't keep harping on to the old days, but in Keane's, Cantona's, Schemeichel's day, we would never have been out-fought and out-thought like that on out own patch.

Infuriating.

Get a grip mate seriously. Yes this side has its deficencies but you need to grab some feckin perspective.
 
People crying out for Clev :lol: He is wank for quite some time now. Wouldnt have changed anything. We just got a freaking average midfield, that's our problem.
 
Abject. Abysmal. Disastrous. Hopeless. Pitiful. Miserable. Wretched. All adjectives you could use to describe tonight's farce. Still, there's some deluded posters who have serious Red-tinted glasses on and who struggle to see our oh-so-obvious shortcomings.

That result was coming a mile off once those line-ups were announced. City's looked strong and imposing, particularly in midfield, where we looked especially weak and feeble. It appears that we'll never learn from our mistakes - both managerially and on the field of play. Mancini made a comment yesterday saying that United's opponents make it easy for us to beat them, often rolling over before a ball is kicked. Maybe it was a round-about way of saying that we don't have the nous to beat a well-drilled and tactically advanced team, which we have proven time and again when the chips have been down in recent seasons.

It's embarrassing seeing City come to our patch and dominate like that, especially when we know we could have put it up to them had the right personnel been selected. The most damning thing about tonight was the 1-2 scoreline was kind to us; our only clear-cut chance was an own goal. That in itself tells its own story. We shouldn't keep harping on to the old days, but in Keane's, Cantona's, Schemeichel's day, we would never have been out-fought and out-thought like that on out own patch.

Infuriating.

What the feck?

We've beaten City away, Liverpool x 2, Chelsea away, Arsenal this season. Not to mention being well on the way of knocking out the tactical genius that is Mourinho before a scandalous decision.
 
Get a grip mate seriously. Yes this side has its deficencies but you need to grab some feckin perspective.

How many of our XI tonight would have gotten into the City team? De Gea/Hart is a toss-up, Zabeleta is better than Rafael currently, Jones and Nastasic is 50/50, Kompany is immense, Evra maybe, City's midfield shits all over ours - apart from Carrick - whilst up top Aguero and Tevez is every bit as good as Rooney and van Persie.

Seriously, where is the perspective that I so desperately need to grab? When you leave some of your best attacking players on the bench (Kagawa and Nani), and play disciplined, workmanlike players in their place, what sort of football do you honestly expect?
 
What I saw was an even match, where they carved out a few clearer chances than we did, but we certainly didn't look as weak or embarassing as some people are making out. I was frustrated with changes being made fairly late, but the counter-attacking strategy meant that more often than not we looked more likely to create something going forward... We're just a bit lacking in our decision-making in the final third these days.
 
How many of our XI tonight would have gotten into the City team? De Gea/Hart is a toss-up, Zabeleta is better than Rafael currently, Jones and Nastasic is 50/50, Kompany is immense, Evra maybe, City's midfield shits all over ours - apart from Carrick - whilst up top Aguero and Tevez is every bit as good as Rooney and van Persie.

Seriously, where is the perspective that I so desperately need to grab? When you leave some of your best attacking players on the bench (Kagawa and Nani), and play disciplined, workmanlike players in their place, what sort of football do you honestly expect?

It doesn't shit all over ours. The only reason this gets said is because of one man, Yaya Toure. He's a world class player when he wants to be but when he isn't there they look half the side, the rest of their midfielders are average personified. The best combination would be him and Carrick with Silva in there somewhere from wide depending how the team would play.

As a pair Rooney and RVP are much better than Aguero and Tevez and the stats show that.

If City have that many greats, why are they 12 points behind us?
 
This freaking 4-4-2 makes me crinch everytime I see it against a top team. Carrick and Giggs in the middle agaisnt City. O Really? And Welbeck, who had a shocker btw, on the right wing and Young on the left. If this is our strongest 11 then god help us.

Kagawa in front of a Carrick-Clev midfield, with Rooney, Persie and either of Welbeck or Nani could have done so much better imo but hey
 
What the feck?

We've beaten City away, Liverpool x 2, Chelsea away, Arsenal this season. Not to mention being well on the way of knocking out the tactical genius that is Mourinho before a scandalous decision.

Liverpool away was a bit jammy, we almost made a balls of the Liverpool home game with our disastrous final half-hour once we went 2-1 up, Chelsea away was almost a bottle job too, Arsenal's record at Old Trafford have been abysmal is recent seasons, and City away was quite lucky in the end. Don't get me wrong, it was excellent to gain points in those games as we've slipped up in those previously, but don't start preaching that we've dominated all of those games above.

Our football has been tumescent with months now. Our extraordinary record of salvaging points from losing positions has masked quite a few of our deficiencies in my view. We have become a methodical football side that's lost a lot of its inventiveness. I suppose when all three of our wingers have struggled for form lends itself to that, but our lethargic play has been all too apparent.
 
Liverpool away was a bit jammy, we almost made a balls of the Liverpool home game with our disastrous final half-hour once we went 2-1 up, Chelsea away was almost a bottle job too, Arsenal's record at Old Trafford have been abysmal is recent seasons, and City away was quite lucky in the end. Don't get me wrong, it was excellent to gain points in those games as we've slipped up in those previously, but don't start preaching that we've dominated all of those games above.

Our football has been tumescent with months now. Our extraordinary record of salvaging points from losing positions has masked quite a few of our deficiencies in my view. We have become a methodical football side that's lost a lot of its inventiveness. I suppose when all three of our wingers have struggled for form lends itself to that, but our lethargic play has been all too apparent.

Sadly have to agree. We have a pretty good record against the top teams this season in the PL but looked pretty garbage in many of those games. The You didnt mention the Arsenal game in which we looked a bit shit as well.
 
De Gea - Lindegaard
Rafael - Smalling - Ferdinand - Jones - Evans - Vidic - Evra - Buttner
Valencia - Nani - Fletcher - Carrick - Scholes -Cleverley - Anderson - Giggs - Young
Kagawa
Welbeck - Rooney - Hernandez - RVP​

Fergie was a disgrace today. It was obvious from the start that a 2-8-9-1-4 formation was needed. Instead he opted to use only 11 players at any one time, inviting pressure from City onto us. Absolute disgrace.
 
Sadly have to agree. We have a pretty good record against the top teams this season in the PL but looked pretty garbage in many of those games. The You didnt mention the Arsenal game in which we looked a bit shit as well.

What ??? It's the only big game where the team played very well and should properly trashed Arsenal by 4 or 5 goals.
 
How many of our XI tonight would have gotten into the City team? De Gea/Hart is a toss-up, Zabeleta is better than Rafael currently, Jones and Nastasic is 50/50, Kompany is immense, Evra maybe, City's midfield shits all over ours - apart from Carrick - whilst up top Aguero and Tevez is every bit as good as Rooney and van Persie.

Seriously, where is the perspective that I so desperately need to grab? When you leave some of your best attacking players on the bench (Kagawa and Nani), and play disciplined, workmanlike players in their place, what sort of football do you honestly expect?

We have played better as a team all season, that is why we are about to become champions. I'm not a fan of squad comparisons it only tells half the story. Jones played better than Nastasic tonight by a fecking mile. Kompany has not had a great season, neither has Toure. We started with Nani last week and it was pedestrian, and he was awful as much as I rate him. Kagawa perhaps had a case to be included I'm with you on that.

City started with Aguero on the bench so it pretty conservative stuff from Mancini also. The match was terrible and decided by a rare bit of class. Don't get so worked up about it!
 
We have played better as a team all season, that is why we are about to become champions. I'm not a fan of squad comparisons it only tells half the story. Jones played better than Nastasic tonight by a fecking mile. Kompany has not had a great season, neither has Toure. We started with Nani last week and it was pedestrian, and he was awful as much as I rate him. Kagawa perhaps had a case to be included I'm with you on that.

City started with Aguero on the bench so it pretty conservative stuff from Mancini also. The match was terrible and decided by a rare bit of class. Don't get so worked up about it!

Maybe so. I suppose tomorrow when the dust has settled we'll be able to look at this more subjectively, but the taste is still bitter in my mouth tonight.

On Jones/Nastasic: yes, Jones was more impressive tonight, but that's solely down to having a lot more to do. City were hardly stretched defensively yet we required Jones to make several important interventions in our penalty box.

Nani may have been pedestrian last week, but he has a good record against City for some reason. I'm sure Mancini and Clichy were happier to be facing Welbeck than Nani anyway.
 
Agree with Comsmit, it was a pretty poor watch. After Welbeck messed up that early counterattack with Rooney open for a potential one-on-one, I knew it was going to be a long game.

*sigh* not looking forward to work tomorrow.