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Moyes So Far!
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Today's plus column:
Played Fabio at RB
Threw on Januzaj
Let Fellaini ease into things
If I were to criticize anything it's the lack of Nani and Kagawa, which on the face of it looks pretty stupid considering the opposition. Kagawa is sort of understandable since it's rumoured he's got the flu, but Nani I cannot understand. Has to be injured?
Played Fabio at RB
Threw on Januzaj
Let Fellaini ease into things
If I were to criticize anything it's the lack of Nani and Kagawa, which on the face of it looks pretty stupid considering the opposition. Kagawa is sort of understandable since it's rumoured he's got the flu, but Nani I cannot understand. Has to be injured?
Last 10 minutes of the Chelsea game were a disgrace - we accepted a draw, at home.
Hopefully after two 'big' games against Chelsea and the bin dippers, and one more mid-week, any jitters that Moyes may have will go, and we'll be more up for going to score 10 goals a game
Hopefully after two 'big' games against Chelsea and the bin dippers, and one more mid-week, any jitters that Moyes may have will go, and we'll be more up for going to score 10 goals a game
I cant work Nani either, he looked sharp when he came on recently. I would pick him ahead of Young any day.
He's right though, your post was a load of shite. We scored 4 against a very good Swansea side away. We struggled to make chances against a Chelsea side who parked the bus, although we made far more good ones than they did. Chelsea have always been excellent defensively, and no-one does shut-outs like Mourinho, so there's hardly much shame in that. Today we made enough that we could have scored 3 or 4, and just didn't take them well enough.
I can't believe how many on here are so quick to forget the fact that we're dealing with one of the hardest opening set of games we've faced in decades. We're two points up on what we got out of the same fixtures last season. I'd say that constitutes a good job so far.
I thought the most damning thing was Chelsea basically gave up trying to go for the win. Mourinho was on the backfoot and made defensive substitutions. They were there for the taking and we let them off - while Moyes ignored an obvious opportunity to shut up some critics and get one over Mourinho.
So you're saying Mourinho parking the bus made it easier to score?
We made it easier for Chelsea by having absolutely no ambition.
We're amazing. We drew at home to a Chelsea side who barely ventured forward. We lost to a Liverpool side who couldn't keep hold of the ball on their own patch. We beat Crystal Palace because two top class strikers took advantage of set pieces.
I didn't say we're rubbish and we're not going to do anything good over the course of the season, but it's hardly been inspirational stuff so far. Yes the fixture list on paper hasn't been kind, but the context of the games show that we should have taken more points than we have, but we haven't because we haven't been creating enough chances since Swansea away. It's always great to get three points, but had the correct decision been given for the Young penalty, who knows how long it might've taken to actually break them down today (free kick and red card).
And again, very very early into a new managers reign he comes up against one of the hardest sets of opening fixtures we have had in a long time while he is just getting to know his players and get his ideas in place. If he had lost 3 of these opening games he would have been hammered but as it is he has been cautious at the beginning of his managerial career and people are slagging him off. No ambition or being prudent during a difficult beginning.?
Anderson played a brilliant through ball which Young should have slotted home. We made chances, we created chances but didnt take them. Palace hardly even threatened, even if the penalty hadnt been given we would have broken them down. We controlled the game and as has been mentioned by others countless times the team and manager are learning about eachother in each game and training session. A little perspective and patience is needed.
Why is patience and perspective needed?
No one is being irrational. Criticising doesnt mean I don't think things will improve or that I don't believe we'll start playing to our full capabilities.
Typical, not allowed to have an opinion...and when you do there's always some prick who has to jump on you like you've shot his mum.
No one is being irrational. Criticising doesnt mean I don't think things will improve or that I don't believe we'll start playing to our full capabilities.
Typical, not allowed to have an opinion...and when you do there's always some prick who has to jump on you like you've shot his mum.
I've always believed the "level-headers/Top Reds" to be far more annoying than those who profess even a minor criticism of the manager/team.
It's beyond tedious now.
It's beyond tedious now.
Yeah but its more tedious reading the constant stream of alarmist bollocks you and your bum chums like to spout every 2 minutes
Stop fecking shooting mothers you heartless cnut
I don't think I've ever posted "alarmist bollocks" in all my time here. If there is a flaw that's obvious, then yes, I'll comment, but I'm generally a glass-three-quarters-full kind of lad.
Christ on a bike, while I agree the last 10 minutes against Chelsea was uncharacteristic. A first home game after the most successful manager the game has seen surely has to be taken into account, and losing it would have been a disaster with the current match by match kangaroo court that dominates football. The idea that it was his first home game and losing would have caused a media shitstorm, (fuelled in no small way by armchair hissy fits via internet message boards) was a huge axe hanging over their heads. To even attempt to use that game against Jose's Chelsea, being Moyes first home game to define a coming era is absolutely stupid, especially considering we easily outplayed our rivals on the night. Talk about erring on the side of hysteria. It's common enough to hear that it can take years to see a team play in a managers way, but not you lot, fair play to ye.
I don't think I've ever posted "alarmist bollocks" in all my time here. If there is a flaw that's obvious, then yes, I'll comment, but I'm generally a glass-three-quarters-full kind of lad.
An obvious flaw is that you haven't had enough time to spot an obvious flaw. Things have to settle. You think this is Moyes United? The finished product already?
Judge the tactical setup come Christmas. Some of your comments are frankly laughable, 4 feckin games in and we are yet to see our strongest 11 in full flow anyway. Christ on a bike some pedantic cnuts around here.
No - but it should have made it easier to take bigger risks in the last half an hour or even the second half. To really go for the jugular. I never felt we did that.
while I have lamented the loss of flair, I am assured that Moyes has not been afraid to rebuild the entire team. It shows he has the strength of character.Those who just look at results need to look a lot deeper. Nani was on the way out for example. Moyes sees him playing a big part in his team. Not using Kagawa worries me. But hopefully what someone posted about him being ill is correct. His plan to bring in playmakers in midfield, even if they did not materialize last window is encouraging. We will be very hard to beat. But we need to be a heck of a lot more creative than we have been in the last 3 matches. btw good points raised by ISSYNAZAR.
To be honest I am not expecting Moyes to be ambitious till he gets a few more months in the job and has a handle on everything around him.
If I didn't know Fergie had retired, then barring the Chelsea game where I felt our wingers were tucked in far more than usual to combat their obvious strengths, and us signing an actual central midfielder, I wouldn't know a new manager had taken over. That Chelsea game did worry me slightly, we could have played for ten hours and not scored, which is very poor at home, even against a Chelsea side managed by Jose. However, this was more due to a very good defensive performance by Chelsea and a lack of fluidity on our part so early in the season rather than David Moyes being negative tactically. I think he's doing a good job, and a few issues such as not playing Nani today aside, I don't see how we can have much to complain about. He needs to give Smalling, Kagawa and Evans some game time in the week though, it's time to get everyone involved, except Buttner, never Buttner.
Sensible start from Moyes, which considering our opening fixtures was absolutely the right thing to do.
You all need to stop looking into the lack of flair too much lads. Any manager in their right mind would value stability over flair in Moyes position.
You all need to stop looking into the lack of flair too much lads. Any manager in their right mind would value stability over flair in Moyes position.
The good news with respect to flair is that we do have it available from a number of players and as things progress Im sure we will see it appear more and more.
Nani will be played in the next two matches I think. agree about Fabio and Janujaz.
I've no doubt in my mind we'll see a more adventurous style post the City game.
Midweek Giggs looks likely to start.
Sensible from Moyes again, in his first Champions League game.
We don't have a lack of CL experience across the whole team.
Nani is suspended on Tuesday which makes it unlikely that he'll start against City considering how little game time he's had recently.
No, but we do in the most significant aspect of the club.
I agree with this, and often complain about it. But this thread actually does have some idiotic folks in it, so I'd say Stack's pretty justified here.
The facts simply don't back up the doubters. In terms of results we've done better after this set of fixtures than we did last season (you know, the one where we won the league by a mile), and we're ahead of Chelsea and level with City (a single goal's GD aside) despite their much easier starts to the season.
In terms of attacking football, the numbers don't support this apparent lack of chances we're creating. People are including the Palace match in that 'trend', and yet we had 19 shots! We dominated possession, never looked at all troubled in defence, and could easily have scored more: Young through on goal, shot straight at the keeper. Rooney passed to Hernandez when he could simply have slotted past the keeper one-on-one. RVP hit the bar from Rooney's pass. That's three great chances that we really should have scored from. If you want to criticise anything, we haven't been as clinical as we might have. But at the end of the day we won anyway, so it hardly seems to matter.
So yes, I think there are a few who could genuinely do with being a bit more, as you put it, 'level-headed.'
On the flip side I am horribly optimistic about everything. I prefer to believe everything is heading in the right direction even when evidence points the other way. But right now its just too early too get too worked up.
Despite the success in recent years it is easy to forget the deficient Football we have played. Are we better to win the League quite grimacingly as we have done lately (in comparison)... Or try to excel aesthetically and win nothing?
The biggest fear I have for our new manager isn't a lack of success; it is that fans will romanticise the productive relative garbage we've served up this last year or two and use it as a stick to beat him with.
The biggest fear I have for our new manager isn't a lack of success; it is that fans will romanticise the productive relative garbage we've served up this last year or two and use it as a stick to beat him with.
Apart from the shambolic transfer window, for which the suits are probably more to blame than Moyes, it looks like service as usual. The back 5 is solid - Cripple Palace didn't have a shot on target. Fellaini and Carrick will be an improvement on the recent midfields. Rooney and RVP are goal/assist machines.
The wide men are a conundrum - so many possibilities, all different and none compelling so far. If Moyes can get that part working the attacking play will move up several notches.
The wide men are a conundrum - so many possibilities, all different and none compelling so far. If Moyes can get that part working the attacking play will move up several notches.
Not really. We got two points more at Swansea and one more against Chelsea than we did last season but we won at Anfield the last time around which means we got precisely the same amount of points (7) from the corresponding fixtures (we beat all the relegated sides at Old Trafford last season).
But you're considering a dead rubber game against Chelsea in that equation. We won at Anfield and Etihad last season, if we were to lose at both this term it'd be a pretty poor start of a season (failing to beat Chelsea at home just adds to it). Beating Palace was obligatory, beating Swansea away from home was a good achievement mind.
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