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Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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Yeah - stepping on the pitch with no back four and no keeper will generally do that to you.
Seriously, though - if Moyes wants to play 4-2-3-1 it's something like that we'll see, surely. Unless we actually buy an additional CM before the window closes. I'd have Mata left and Adnan right - but that front four looks tasty to me. And at the moment - do we have a combination that is considerably better than Fellaini/Fletcher? Can't quite see that.
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Fletcher is a good passer. I think it's a very strong side personally. That front 4 is more than most could handle.
The thing a lot of people are missing is that when you have a front four like that you have fear factor again and teams won't set up to target our weaknesses anymore they will look to protect their own weaknesses.
Agreed but I don't think Mata or Adnan would be defensively disciplined enough. But in my eyes the main problem lies in the personnel in the 2 man midfield. It's not strong enough to play that way at the moment imo. Will change when we strengthen that area.....eventually.
That's why we can't play that way yet against the good sides, midfield 2 is too weak. Especially when our full backs are so attacking orientated, we need a real strong, high quality midfield 2. Which we don't have....yet.
-----------------RVP-----------------
---Mata-------Rooney-------Januzaj---
--------Fellaini---------Fletch--------
Evra------CB--------CB---------Rafael
It's not that bad at all especially with Rooney who works his bollox off anyway, you could even bring in Young or Valencia (I know) to give it a bit more solidity and players willing to work back. Rooney will come deep and be the link to the front, you might even be able to trust Cleverley in there with Fletch to actually find a forward pass with Rooney and Mata creating movement in front.
I'd agree with you pretty much but I'd love to see it given a go.
He is, I meant a truly top passer like Carrick. Any midfield duo lacking pace, dribbling ability etc needs a top passer of the ball to start creating things. We've almost had at least one top passer in a midfield two, let alone three. On the other hand Fletch is playing well to our delight and in the absence of Carrick he deserves to start.
Fellaini with his Everton form, and Fletch reaching further fitness and match fitness, and that's a fine setup.
I was going to say I'd have Mata and Januzaj on opposite wings, but really I'd expect them to swap at will.
I agree - but we still have to play. We can't forfeit on the grounds of not having good enough players. I think we'll be alright against most sides with our current personnel IF the attacking options are fit. Have Fletcher/Fellaini sit behind that front four - and that's actually pretty good. Not good enough long term, obviously, but that's another matter.
When Carrick is back we should look even better.
If you can ask Rooney to drop into the space in between the two when we lose possession it makes for quite a solid set up, he's almost drawn in there anyway such is his desire to be on the ball.
@Earthquake it really is all we have to run with at the minute but it's that front line that should see teams arrive with a far less braver gameplan thanm they have over the first half of the season.
I very much doubt he'll be 4th or 5th choice once he's fit. Moyes will give him a proper chance, especially as the likes of Cleverley have disapointed so far.
Moyes worked with Fellaini for years, rated him enough to think he'd be a good player here and payed a small fortune for him. He won't have changed his mind after a handful of disapointing games while carrying an injury.
Expect Fellaini to feature regularly until we strengthen properly.
I'd love to see Fellaini tried as a central defender after a proper pre-season at the start of next season.........He seems to not be quick enough with a pass in tight spaces to become a top class defensive midfielder but maybe his attributes would be more suited to central defense and he's guaranteed to get you heaps of headed goals from corners and set pieces if he can find a place in the team that works for him....maybe Moyes can turn him into a midfielder yet......he needs a proper pre-season for a start.....the Mata signing too is gonna take a heap of pressure off Fellaini as or sure it will take Fellaini out from under the microscope a little
I'd say Mata, Rooney and Januzaj are all excellent passers. Fellaini and Fletcher in that formation would have very little creative passing to do. They'd only have to find one of those three and considering the movement all three of them make, it won't be too hard.
Only if Mata comes very narrow and we're fluid. Until we get a box to box the issue remains that we struggle getting the ball to the attacking players.
Even with Rooney deep he then needs to find two players on the wings or a usually crowded RvP. Having at least one of our midfielders able to pass and move to open attacks with Rooney is essential.
I'd actually try Cleverley and Fletcher, he might be safe but least he keeps things relatively ticking over
This afternoon, at around 14:30, I forgot we had Fellaini....
He's been a midfielder his entire career and a pretty good one at that. I think he can be a very good player for us, probably in an anchorman type role.
When everyone's fully fit, Carrick and Fellaini behind Mata, Rooney, Januzaj; van Persie could really work. Fellaini especially could sit in front of the defence and
mop up then lay it off. Doesn't need to do anything special, with the attacking threat on the pitch I'd want Fellaini to hold his position and not join in the attacks.
Of course you'd still need a good distributor which is why I'd go with Carrick. Carrick is really good at the first time passes to try set an attack off. With Mata playing narrowly he'd drop to collect the ball too and we'd have a lot in attack. The only problem would be the lack of mobility in Carrick + Fellaini.
mop up then lay it off. Doesn't need to do anything special, with the attacking threat on the pitch I'd want Fellaini to hold his position and not join in the attacks.
Of course you'd still need a good distributor which is why I'd go with Carrick. Carrick is really good at the first time passes to try set an attack off. With Mata playing narrowly he'd drop to collect the ball too and we'd have a lot in attack. The only problem would be the lack of mobility in Carrick + Fellaini.
to be fair to him, i think he was good in the cameo he had in the Arsenal game.
I don't know if his confidence was down but Im fed up with his safe passing. Same applies to lack of movement, he is very static and i don't believe he has Pirlo or Scholes-esque passing.
Honestly, Im just lost because i see no use of him in a great team which Moyes wants to build. Would you play him in no10 role instead of Kagawa, Rooney, Januzaj, Mata, Giggs or even Young? Would you play him in the center of midfield at the expense of world class midfielders we are chasing?
I need to admit i was against buying him and I am negative about him. I can admit that but honestly even if try hard i can't bring myself to like his style. Even Young and Valencia have more value for me.
Yes, that's where I'd like to see him. He can do a decent enough job there, especially with better players in CM in front of him.
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Jim I think you'll be proven very wrong with Fellaini he will be a superb midfielder for us. Added to his set piece ability he will prove to be a top quality addition.
Jim I think you'll be proven very wrong with Fellaini he will be a superb midfielder for us. Added to his set piece ability he will prove to be a top quality addition.
Stay classy, Old Trafford.
I think he'll be a good player for us, long term. Having the creativity of Mata now will ease many of the burdens on him too.
While I don't think he'll ever be superb for anyone, but he'll turn out to be a decent signing, just not worth the amount we paid for him, but definitely better than what he has shown so far in his injury ravaged campaign. He had been carrying that injury for a while as well so let's hope the Fellaini that comes back now is the same player that is a pain in the ass for the opposition.
Why? Minus Carrick that's pretty much our strongest side.
I still believe that he'll be a success, we'll find a role for him, but I don't for one minute see himself and Carrick forming a partnership of any kind. I'd love to be proved wrong though.
I admire the optimism in here, even if I don't share it. I genuinely hope he can turn things around and improves on what we have seen so far but my opinion is that he just isn't good enough and I prefer any of Carrick, Fletcher, Cleverley and Jones atm. I'd be over the moon if he made me eat my words though. He's here now and I wish him well.
It's funny how the signing of Mata has pretty much changed everyone's opinion of Fellaini here.
Same happened with Cleverely at the beginning of 11/12 season when he was seen as some mythical midfielder pre-Kevin Davies.
Same happened with Cleverely at the beginning of 11/12 season when he was seen as some mythical midfielder pre-Kevin Davies.
Going to be a breathtaking night. I am on holiday and will have to wake at 3.45 am to watch this, but it will be worth it to see his comeback. Hope he plays.
Can't tackle, is a complete pussy, has no awareness to track runners, doesn't have a passing range....and people want him to anchor our midfield. That'll be fun to watch.
He's reasonable at winning the ball isn't he? I always think of him as being able to tackle.
He can, he makes clumsy tackles at time but he is a very good ball winner. Don't know what Sam is talking baout.
Its a bit of a common misconception from what I've seen. Sure he CAN win the ball back and put in a tackle from time to time as can pretty much any footballer, but its not his forte.
He's a poor CM, I'd be surprised if he reached even Fletcher's current level there. Fellaini's great 'Everton form' happened when he played further forward.
He's an absolute fanny when it comes to tackels.
If he can play like he did in the first 45 mins vs. Everton at home he'll be a decent midfielder for us but yeah his size does create misconceptions about what he is capable of, his thighs are fecking huge and he should be a beast but strangely he struggles to track back and doesn't put himself about as much as he should (mind you that's not helped by this perception he has with refs which means they call a foul every pissing time he goes in for a challenge).
I've seen that video a few times, and it shows just how bang average he is. I've also watched him for United, and everything I've said is true.
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