I enjoy reading the posts of those trying to convince themselves that Liverpool definitely won't win.
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Sorry if I've missed this already, but has anyone worked out how much CL money is available next season to 1st, 2nd and 3rd placed finishers in the league?
I'd be hoping we could finish 2nd at the very least from this position (if not top). Doesn't mean we won't end up 3rd but lets stay optimistic.
I'd be hoping we could finish 2nd at the very least from this position (if not top). Doesn't mean we won't end up 3rd but lets stay optimistic.
Costa has played 30 games with 25 goals and 3 assists. He does take penalties. Messi has played 24 games and has 23 goals and 10 assists. Ronaldo and Suarez both have played the same number of league games (27). Ronaldo has 28 goals and 8 assists. He's the penalty taker for his team. Suarez has 29 goals and 11 assists. He doesn't take penalties. Incredible.
Cafu's twitter feed is excellent.
The best was how The Istanbul match thread was nowhere to be found to this day
OK. That explains a lot. Cheers.
I like how all the papers are saying the title is Liverpool's to lose. It's not really because even if Liverpool win all their games and City when all their games, then City win the title. The title is in City's hands, not Liverpool's.
Liverpool can't win all their games if City win all theirs and vice versa so it's in both.
Good point. I forgot they have still to play each other again.
I was in the Upper Anny Rd yesterday. In the build up to the 3rd goal some bloke in front of me was screaming for our keeper & defenders to hoof it upfield as they were passing around amongst themselves, a few seconds later he was up on his feet screaming "what a f***ing goal".
Oh the irony
I know this may amaze some Liverpool fans, but converted penalties also count as goals.
I know it may amaze some United fans but Liverpool fans do understand that penalties count and only the most gormless would think that was the point of Barney's comparison.
Their lot at the moment.
Scoring lots of penos, is vastly different (and vastly less challenging) than scoring from open play or free-kicks. I think any football can work the logic behind that.
It's also convenient for Liverpool fans to only count league games as that is the only area where Suarez' stats better Ronaldo's. If you count all games played Ronaldo stats are better, including goals per game. It's also worth noting that Ronaldo has played 40 club games this season while Suarez has played 31. That nine game difference is mostly made up of a Champions League campaign which only makes Cristiano's stats all the more impressive.
Suarez is having a phenomenal season. He is one of the best players in the world, but, the constant comparisons with Ronaldo are wide of the mark, in my opinion.
Let them have their time in the sun.
Suarez all around, has possibly played better than Ronaldo this season in my opinion. I mean you have to factor in that, that Madrid team is far far better than that Liverpool side. He's certainly at the very least equaled Ronaldo. 29 league goals, I don't think 1 penalty.
I think he's had to date the best season in the world. I know I'll be shouted down for that, but if he does manage to bring home the title he'll have done it in the business end which many people have said needs to be done. Vato was saying earlier that he actually thinks Modric and Di Maria have been better in their general play than Ronaldo. Again, I don't think he's the best player in the world, that's Messi and he's distantly the best, but I do think he's had the best season of anyone in one of the top European leagues (Spain, England, Germany and Italy).
comparatively ronaldo has 8 penalties from his 28 goals in the league, 11 total (including champions league). that means without penalties it's 29 goals for suarez versus 20 goals for ronaldo in the same number of appearances.
if you give suarez all the penalties gerrard has scored in the league (8), it means suarez would have already smashed the premier league record having scored 37 goals in only 27 appearances.. and that compares to the 29 goals ronaldo has in 27 games including penalties.
it's not really that close in my opinion. suarez is having an unbelievable season.
It's marginal - they have been very similar and only pedants find real differences that are supposedly worthy of note.
I get all that, I hate the comparisons too. What happens is 1 or 2 fans make a comparison then it becomes the default opinion of all Liverpool or United fans. Eg the Pennant v Ronaldo comparison, which I never saw, but gets used at times to beat Liverpool fans. Or the Anderson > Gerrard suggestions which I most certainly did see after Anderson had the game of his life, one time at band camp. They're pointless.
I was just having a dig at Chabon who had the gall to be patronising while completely missing the point.
The CAF must surely have turned into a red and white version of RAWK; with exaggeration, there are more popular threads on Liverpool than on United.
The point being what, that you lot have developed a weird obsession with not counting penalties as goals so at to prove that Suarez isn't merely extremely good but the best player on the planet? The entire footballing internet is invariably swamped by nonsense from Liverpool fans constantly seeking to prove how they are the best ever at everything ever.
As I've said before, it's just like when you had a great midfield. That wasn't enough though, it had to be THE BEST MIDFIELD IN DA WORLD!!!
weirdo ^
Still don't think they're favourites for it this year, with City having 2 in hand, but if they win I - surprisingly to myself - won't be that bitter. I hate the money teams in Football, and I particularly hate City. I hate Liverpool but they've gone about their business the right way so to speak. I wish we could do something like what they did with Rogers with a Pochettino or the like.
If they win, yes its 19 titles. If city win, its just another money team buying a trophy and its sickening.
That being said, I picked Chelski to win at the beginning and I think they can still manage it.
If they win, yes its 19 titles. If city win, its just another money team buying a trophy and its sickening.
That being said, I picked Chelski to win at the beginning and I think they can still manage it.
certainly, and more 'pool posters.
It's obviously more impressive to score more goals without penalties though. It also allows a better comparison between the two.
It's a lot harder to convert a penalty than say, a ball in front of an open goal set up by a clever pass from a team mate. To my mind it's just a very good chance set up by a teammate, same as any other.
Of course, that's also why I think winning a penalty should definitely count as an assist, which is something that goes very much in Suarez's favour.
Of course, that's also why I think winning a penalty should definitely count as an assist, which is something that goes very much in Suarez's favour.
Difference is that we are discussing their players and great season. On rawk it was a mass chanting with hope that we fail, how poor players we have, how we are corrupt, and hope of injury and death.
it depends on the circumstances and whether that easy scoring chance arose from clever movement.
But if you have 2 strikers, one scored 10 from open play, one converted 10 penalties. I know which striker I'd be picking for my team.
ps, he HAS been better than Ronaldo this season no question. I just didn't want to upset anyone given he IS a Liverpool player and this IS a united forum. Ronaldo may not even be Madrid's best player this season, he's still got a hell of an impressive goal tally though.
What an odd post. Trying to spin a narrative to suggest scoring from a pen is more difficult than in open play?
You need to get laid.
Thats a brilliant insult to be throwing about on a forum for football nerds.
There's plenty of much easier chances that come up in open play. An awful lot of penalties get missed, y'know.
There's plenty of much easier chances that come up in open play. An awful lot of penalties get missed, y'know.
This season 84% of penalties have been scored. That suggests there's a high chance that you will score when presented with the opportunity. Obviously it's a skill and well done to those who take them but being a regular penalty taker is not equivalent to that of a regular goal scorer in open play. To suggest so is deluded or just convenient as you attempt to find any angle to sway the Ronaldo v Suarez stats debate.
Furthermore, the idea that strikers who score tap-ins get 'easy' chances is reductive. Rush, Lineker, Aldridge, Ruud VN all made a living off such goals and were superb at it. They make their chances by knowing where to be. In any case, Suarez isn't this type of striker so the argument doesn't even hold water.
29 goals from open play plus the most assists in the league - that's what's relevant.
So let's say you were given the option to win the Champions League this year but at a cost of Liverpool winning the next 3 Premier League titles. Would you take it?
I am not a United fan, but if I were, I would say: YES!!!
The Champions League is worth so much more than anything else in club football. It's worth any price imaginable. Even selling your soul to the devil.
To give you the significance, it would mean liverpool overtake our League Title's record to go 21/20 and leave us one behind them but we'd also get within one of their 5 European cups.
Yeah, I realized the significance of the number you quoted. But like I said, the CL is worth selling your soul to the devil. Many of my mates do not really agree with my CL obsession, but that is how I see it. I realize how painful it would be for United fans watching Liverpool celebrating league titles and reclaiming their perch, but your club winning the CL, that cannot be beaten by anything.
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This is giving me goosebumps, I cannot wait for City and Chelsea to come to Anfield.
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This is giving me goosebumps, I cannot wait for City and Chelsea to come to Anfield.
edit: Didn't think video was breaking any rules, genuinely didn't think there would be anything wrong with it, sorry.
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