If that's what the club believe, then Van Gaal is quite clearly not the man for this job. A bit worrying, if they were completely ignorant of how Van Gaal likes to work before they even thought about approaching him. We're better off looking somewhere else for a yes man.
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If that's what the club believe, then Van Gaal is quite clearly not the man for this job. A bit worrying, if they were completely ignorant of how Van Gaal likes to work before they even thought about approaching him. We're better off looking somewhere else for a yes man.
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with that if the structure that is to stay intact had existed last week. What is it about this hastily hobbled together, interim hodgepodge that we have now what has suddenly since Sunday turned into the 'blueprint of the future'. The idea you espouse has merit if we're talking about a structure that had been thoughtfully, carefully and deliberately put in place.
I know Henry VIII founded the Church of England because he wanted to screw around but it'd be a bit much to establish the future foundations of Manchester United football club on the week we sacked a manager and the interim called up his mates to ask if they were busy for the next three weeks.
But then, if we get rid of Van Gaal next year or 2 years later after horrible seasons, we'll be back on the same spot. It's better to have some United legends get involved in coaching, and continuity is still there regardless of manager.
Seriously, if we're going to try and force people on someone like Van Gaal this is going to end in a disaster so we're much better off looking somewhere else. He's a volatile character anyway, so why are we going to try and set him alight before he's through the door.
Lets just get the Giggs fantasy out of the way. It's a win-win long term, whatever way that one ends.
Lets just get the Giggs fantasy out of the way. It's a win-win long term, whatever way that one ends.
I disagree it's at all preferable to suddenly base the future coaching structure on a snapshot of circumstance one April, suddenly. When Bayern came up with their structure or blueprint I bet a lot more thought went into it than we appear to be giving to it. We're talking about a football club, not someone who spills wine on a dress and then figures that it kinda 'works' so they'll keep it that way.
I am open to the Bayern idea of continuity but not based on the result of a bunch of unplanned random shit that happened at the fag-end of a terrible season.
Probably just ironing out the coaching appointments and roles for class of 92.
I don't think it will be a deal breaker.
Patrick Kluivert as his number 2 im hearing?
Better a manager who actually has character & a vision over the last person in the hot seat.
Giggs and Phil were already coaching staff members. With Lumsden and Round gone there is room for 2 Van Gaal appointments atleast. And if what's written is to be believed then amongst the 5 that Van Gaal wants a couple are analysts. Positions that would not conflict with roles for the 'class of 92' at all.
Also, Butt was helping with the reserves up until last week so he already has a place in the hierarchy.
The only one that doesn't have a role currently is Scholes.
I think this isn't a huge stumbling block as some people think. Van Gaal needs the people he is comfortable working with so he can be successful. It is a fair demand that any manager can make.
Also, Butt was helping with the reserves up until last week so he already has a place in the hierarchy.
The only one that doesn't have a role currently is Scholes.
I think this isn't a huge stumbling block as some people think. Van Gaal needs the people he is comfortable working with so he can be successful. It is a fair demand that any manager can make.
We let Moyes bring his Everton gang with him and replace the experienced staff that has won so much under SAF. Then we choose to impose and inexperienced assistant/coach on a proven manager who is coming in to replace Moyes and fix his mess.
Logic is dead.
Logic is dead.
Is there any chance we are just dragging this on more than we need too? Might he get fed up and join someone else (though I can't honestly see him turning us down for Spurs)...
Sentimental reasons aside, I honestly don't see the hold up in getting Van Gaal signed - particularly as we have rebuilding to do and a WC quickly approaching.
Giggs, although he is one of my favourite players, shouldn't even be in the running to be completely honest, at least not until he's got a bit more experience taking on more coaching / management responsbilities. I don't think a turbulent year with Moyes is enough.
Sentimental reasons aside, I honestly don't see the hold up in getting Van Gaal signed - particularly as we have rebuilding to do and a WC quickly approaching.
Giggs, although he is one of my favourite players, shouldn't even be in the running to be completely honest, at least not until he's got a bit more experience taking on more coaching / management responsbilities. I don't think a turbulent year with Moyes is enough.
I can understand the club delaying, while there are negatives with it, I can understand it. There is the strong possibility the Real Madrid could get rid of Ancelotti, who knows if Roman throws his toys out of the pram if Jose doesn't win the Champions League. Rightly or wrongly, the club is probably looking at wha Giggs does too. And while Klopp has ruled it out, you just never know will happen when an offer is on the table.
So while I would prefer it to be wrapped up now, I think there are positives in keeping it open until after the season because now there is one manager available. In 3 weeks there could be 3 or 4 available.
So while I would prefer it to be wrapped up now, I think there are positives in keeping it open until after the season because now there is one manager available. In 3 weeks there could be 3 or 4 available.
Appointing Giggs is a win - win? At worst, and I do fear it is more likely to head down this route rather than consistent success, it could lead to some of the most ugly moments in the club's history. I don't want to start feeling things about Ryan Giggs in the way I did David Moyes.
@Plugsy has it spot on, to be honest. If these guys are serious about coaching then they should be actively pursuing all kinds of coaching work. Outside of Ferguson, one who was increasingly irrelevant tactically towards the end, what do these guys really know about coaching? They've never done it, they've yet to explore the game and it's many cultures in this respect, and Manchester United is not the place to do said things. If Giggs is a talented coach then his time will come. But not now, and it certainly isn't win-win.
I can imagine quite a few things make you wish the Mayans were right as the world must be a confusing and infuriating place for someone as void of perspective as you appear to be. One of the most loyal and dedicated servants this club has ever seen holds an opinion you happen to disagree with and so you find it appropriate to tell him to feck off..? Get a grip, you clown. Furthermore, I've yet to see anyone support or defend his wanting a British manager, further increasing the shiteness of your post.
I'm expecting everything to be finalized by the end of the week.
I think it's the clubs way of saying that Van Gaal isn't their ideal first pick. The board are probably waiting to see what happens this week(or next?) with Ancelotti. If Real go out then it would not surprise anyone if in the summer he was sacked.
So while it's true that the sooner we have someone in place the sooner we can prepare for next season. It might be that the club want to make absolutely 100% sure their committing their finances and belief to the best possible candidate.
We can't afford to be too hasty and make a mistake.
Hopefully whilst not getting left behind struggling to attract the better players who already joined others clubs while we wait to appoint a manager, or for them to complete their contractual obligations like last summer!
For me get a top coach decided, identify his targets as soon as possible. Van Gaal is looking very likely to be announced in the near future from the media reports today!
This is pretty much my stance. It protects the club from massive upheaval every time a manager is changed.
It's a pity (on hindsight) that we gave Moyes all the support by letting him choose his coaching staff etc, and now it's almost as if we're being overly cautious about giving that same autonomy to the next manager because of what happened.
If we appoint Van Gaal or whoever, he should be given the same support that Moyes had. As a manager he's responsible for the results, so he should be given all the tools to get the results we want.
As for Giggs and Co, they should get more experience elsewhere if the next manager chooses not work with them. They have time on their side, and if they do well, I'm sure the opportunity will come around again.
If we appoint Van Gaal or whoever, he should be given the same support that Moyes had. As a manager he's responsible for the results, so he should be given all the tools to get the results we want.
As for Giggs and Co, they should get more experience elsewhere if the next manager chooses not work with them. They have time on their side, and if they do well, I'm sure the opportunity will come around again.
And I believe Barca has this system also, which the new manager doesn't touch any of the youth setup and academy.
Which brings in the old question, of why did United allow such new comer in Moyes to 'restructure' the whole United setup, up to scouting and youth of which have been built upon 20+ years of SAF hardwork. It's just ridiculous, when you think about it. I strongly disagreed at that time, and in now too.
New manager has to prove himself as a capable manager for long-term appointment, before he can make a whole change. Which is so logical in any business model.
But maybe as usual, United always want to do it the hard way
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I fear that at United there's a severe resistance of change with many people fearing of losing grip over the club's power. Indications can be seen with players overstaying at the club and managers being selected not because of their CV but because they are 'old school' and supposed to work the 'Fergie way'. Anyone crossing the line risk an open revolt. Meanwhile the new manager must work with people who he may not want and who had been here since forever.
If these circumstances are true then I hope that Ryan Giggs takes the job. Let those who are truly managing the club take responsibility of it. Its unfair to bring a figure head only to be used as a scapegoat if things go wrong. Hopefully Giggs and co manages to do well. If not, the Glazers will have no choice but to kickstart a real clean up which would probably involve also some directors.
If these circumstances are true then I hope that Ryan Giggs takes the job. Let those who are truly managing the club take responsibility of it. Its unfair to bring a figure head only to be used as a scapegoat if things go wrong. Hopefully Giggs and co manages to do well. If not, the Glazers will have no choice but to kickstart a real clean up which would probably involve also some directors.
We have to start thinking outside our relatively little box. Doing things the way we always did was OK when we were looking at british managers, but now we're going continental we have to think of some shifts in the our model. Not wholesale, but some.
I mean, some people really want Klopp and I understand why - but do you think he would just slide into the manager's role and into our model with no changes? In Dortmund he's been working with Michael Zorc, a sporting director. I don't know how the model works there exactly, who signs the players, who has the final decision. But if we bring in a foreign coach we have to adjust.
So LvG is going to be unhappy before he even gets here. Forcing him to work with a coaching team with 1 game between the lot of them. Great stuff. He might tell us to feck off yet, he doesn't need this. He may retire.
Has this been posted yet? Even if it has, it's worth posting twice
haha! what the hell is that!? Somebody translate it please!
The guys he wants to bring were coaches at Bayern, too. Jonker, his assistant, stayed in Munich for awhile (then Wolfsburg, next season Arsenal) - and that is why he brings one or two new assistants. The rest has been in Munich (added by Bayern fitness coaches and Hermann Gerland)
Guardiola just does the same - he has 3 persons with him. No goalkeeping coach as Manuel has his own he took with him from Schalke.
It wouldn't be us without this going tits up, would it?
Only holds up if we make the assumption that the class of 92 are top quality coaches who are capable of working under any manager. That's still up in the air for me.
Marcotti was quite down on Van Gaal in the Game podcast this week. Anyone else hear it? Highlighted his failures at Holland first time round & Barca second time round. I disagree personally but interesting to get a different perspective.
I really want this to be tied up soon, hopefully we won't miss out on him!
I don't think they should all be first team coaches but they should be kept on in some capacity. Giggs with the first team Scholes and Butt with the youth teams again for example. I just don't see why the physios and fitness coaches etc need disrupting. We need some structure in place so that there isn't massive upheaval and overhauling to large sections of the backroom staff every time a manager is changed.
Apparently VDS said Van Gaal is the best manager he played under, not Fergie 
Quite a statement. (if he actually really said it)
Quite a statement. (if he actually really said it)
Gary Neville prefers his mate Ryan Giggs to be Manchester United's manager then VG.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ty-in-appointing-louis-van-gaal-or-ryan-giggs
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...ty-in-appointing-louis-van-gaal-or-ryan-giggs
I think it's tellytubbies land.
It's more worrying that the Class of '92 think they are entitled to a job.
I have read that he wants absolute control. The only thing I am really afraid of is whether he wants too much power. I think those have been the main reasons for his several fueds with his clubs.
That bugs me too. We're in danger of allowing ourselves to become the club equivalent of England as we chase romanticized criteria rather than practically getting people that are suited for the job.
Nobody knows what kind of coaches these people will make but suddenly since the other day it's decided they must be part of a new coaching set up? It's insanity.
this.
We've been through a rather ridiculous patch that no one can really explain.
a) SAF reluctance in starting the rebuilding process in CM. Which is kind of strange considering that our CM was made up of a 40 year old player, a 35 year old player, a player suffering from a career threatening chronic sickness, a fat Brazilian who has never been consistent with us but he was a likeable character and a utility player. The only truly talented midfielder we had, ended up signing with Juventus because we werent giving him enough games
b) SAF retires and Moyes ends up succeeding him. The former Everton manager had never won anything, his team play boring football and its evident from day 1 that he's clearly out of depth. However the club chooses him and backs him up until......he starts talking about rebuilding the side and changing things around
c) Moyes is sacked and finally we are linked with quality managers. However its rumored that VG will want his men something the club doesn't want. Talk about giving the job to a former player with just 1 game in his belt (as manager) intensify.
SAF used to say that the manager's job is the most important job at the club. What has changed since then?
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