Some of you being drama queen here. Bayern has a successful season (league champion,CL semi, Cup finals) but expectation of them doing treble in 2 successive season is just way too unrealistic. No clubs ever win 2 CL in a row, let alone the impossible treble.
Pep Guardiola's Bayern
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After one season? Calm down. Heynckes didn't win a single trophy in his first season.
feck off HecticI am not asking for his sacking, nor do I think he is responsible for the defeat f Bayern tonight. First and foremost, it was Bayern who lost, not Pep. Pep just picks the team, from there on then it's the players that are on the pitch, not the managers. The thing is that he is being made the scapegoat by Munich fans as well as the German press, who seem to have convinced themselves that one season suddenly turned the German clubs (who have been struggling in Europe for more than a decade to be honest) into indestructible machines. Let them pick another manager and see if they can do better next season.
Just because something has not been done before does not mean it will never happen. It is very likely that either of Jose or Ancelotti would become the first manager to win two CLs for example.
Problem is not that Bayern lost, it is how they lost. Bayern demolishing Barca without a fit Messi at the end of their peak is one thing but this was supposed to be a peak Bayern. Losing 4-0 at home to Real? Even if the current United team had suffered this kind of defeat it would have been embarrassing.
Losing a close fought tie with Madrid would have been acceptable, they never showed up today.
His tiki taka has been completely annihilated in back to back CL's. What makes it even worse is that the club that he is managing now was involved in both ties. Last season's Bayern did the annihilation, only to be turned into the team which was annihilated, and then being annihilated themselves. That is funny. He will never change his style. Bayern will not win another Champions League as long as he is their manager.
I think many Germans agree with me.
People who compare Bayern's game with Barca's virtuoso passing displays, are completely out of their minds. Bayern are significantly superior to current or even vintage Barca in all respects, strength, height, pace, stamina, set plays, variety. Except one. Technical and passing ability. I have watched all of Bayern's CL games this season, and their passing game and other flair attributes are nowhere near Barca's level. It's like comparing spam to premium Argentine beef.
In fact you are doing Real Madrid great disfavour there. I thought that they outplayed Bayern tonight. Modric and Di Maria especially seemed way more skill-full than anything displayed by Bayern over both legs. Bayern are a very well balanced side who are quite good in possession, but they have nowhere near the skills of Messi/Xavi/Iniesta and Busquets in terms of tight space control, evading pressure, and patiently building-up of play through intricate, short, imaginative and skill-full passing. Everything else, Bayern are better though.
Calm down.
Bayern passing has no resemblance to Barca passing. Stop repeating this inane analogy.
What? Do you disagree with me that Barcelona's passing and technique levels are something unique in world football? They are crap in everything else though. It's the most obvious thing in modern football, nothing controversial about it I would think.
Meant for the other guy. Quoted him now.
Who else does it better than him though? I mean, lets just put things back to perspective, the achievements he has made over past 5 years, simply no one can match that. It's just one game. Any great team and great manager would have a bad day once a while.
Answer me these 2 questions:
Do Bayern play Tiki taka under Guardiola?
Did bayern play the same way last season as they did this season?
p.s I don't care if their passing doesn't resemble Barca's.
This place is officially bonkers.
The analogies that people come up with are beyond mindless simplification, every team has players with different characteristics, and lo and behold, they tend to play accordingly.
His system has been figured out. It is old now.
He no longer has Messi's individual brilliance to bail him out when things are not going well.
What does tiki-taka even mean? And Bayern have faced different opponents this season compared to last with completely different (read: massively raised) expectations.
I think what the match against Real Madrid has proved is that Guardiola isn't the best manager in the world. He shows that he's limited in terms of his tactics, and he finds it difficult to react to situations where his team isn't playing well.
On the contrary, Guardiola is one of the best coaches this sport has ever seen. He's created a brand of football that makes players really believe in themselves and has them dominate games when they're doing things well.
Other than the coaching side of things, he's shown himself to be tactically limited. All he does is play with a high defensive line and look to keep possession more than anything else. He doesn't set up a penetrative style of play, and it seems to me that the players themselves are more responsible for how direct the team is than Guardiola himself.
This Bayern team was deadly and ruthless under Heynckes. With Guardiola, they've been silky and more possession-oriented, but they are less direct and play with a slower pace in general. This slow pace isn't much of an issue if the players themselves move beyond/in-between the defenders, but if there is just movement in front of the defence, Bayern can't do much other than hope for a moment of brilliance from one of their many brilliant players.
On the contrary, Guardiola is one of the best coaches this sport has ever seen. He's created a brand of football that makes players really believe in themselves and has them dominate games when they're doing things well.
Other than the coaching side of things, he's shown himself to be tactically limited. All he does is play with a high defensive line and look to keep possession more than anything else. He doesn't set up a penetrative style of play, and it seems to me that the players themselves are more responsible for how direct the team is than Guardiola himself.
This Bayern team was deadly and ruthless under Heynckes. With Guardiola, they've been silky and more possession-oriented, but they are less direct and play with a slower pace in general. This slow pace isn't much of an issue if the players themselves move beyond/in-between the defenders, but if there is just movement in front of the defence, Bayern can't do much other than hope for a moment of brilliance from one of their many brilliant players.
Guardiola's Bayern sucked in the CL this season compared to how they performed last season. HE NEUTERED THEM.
And I don't care if no team has repeated in the CL era. They did not look good in the knock out stages.
Another thing. Only one club can win the CL each season, it does not follow that everyone else in the entire continent is crap... tstststststs
Scroll up and read my post in which I said the Bundesliga is shite. That link does nothing for me.
They've blitzed the league, they're in the domestic cup final, and reached the semi-final of the Champions League. If they beat Dortmund in the cup final they can count this season as very successful, considering how difficult it is to reclaim the Champions League. Guardiola would have known this as soon as he took control, he has touched on how difficult it was following Heynckes' treble. I'm very confident they'll win the Champions League next season, they'll be stronger.
Figure out by who? They played over 60 matches this season, and you based this on one game?
You either have a memory span equal to a goldfish, or you just being too unrealistically harsh that eventually nothing could have pleased you.
If bayern sack Pep, you think they will walk the CL next season then?
Scroll down to the next line where I say that you are an idiot.
You are an idiot.
No, he just seems to hold a personal vendetta against making lots of passes.
Make fun of me all you want, next season when Bayern get hammered in the CL again, some of you will be singing a different tune.
Well, Real Madrid just broke them. And it was not only Pep they broke, it was all them highly celebrated (and rightly so, despite the inevitable hyperbole) Bayern players.
I think there's a fundamental issue here. German sides have always been strong and effective playing rather direct and incisive no-frills football. What Pep is asking of them is a massive shift away from stuff that is hardwired into them. If he pulls it off he would prove to be an extraordinary manager, but so far it is clear Bayern aren't playing at the same level as they used to.
I wonder what impact this may have on the NT at the World Cup. They are very much the core. Will all this stuff get them off their game, or will they suddenly feel unleashed to express themselves playing the way they know how to and demolish anyone they face? With them Germans, I'd expect the latter.
I wonder what impact this may have on the NT at the World Cup. They are very much the core. Will all this stuff get them off their game, or will they suddenly feel unleashed to express themselves playing the way they know how to and demolish anyone they face? With them Germans, I'd expect the latter.
Is there a secret rule that reads: "Bayern Munich: MUST ALWAYS LIFT CHAMPIONS LEAGUE TROPHY"?
I didn't blame the United players for their disastrous season under Moyes, and I will not blame Bayern's players for this performance.
This was on Pep.
Guardiola was never gonna improve on last season, but he has done a feckin' great job getting close to replicating it.
I don't know. They might win it next season under Guardiola. Remember how he won the Champions League after losing it in his second season?
Guardiola's playing style is excellent when there's some directness. I thought he formulated it correctly when he had his team continue to play with wingers and quite a bit of penetration earlier in the season. However, in the past couple of months, it seems as if he's been more passive and more oriented to keeping possession than ever. He just needs to have his teams up the pace rather than play slowly. Their passing ranges vary rather than just be short, and their wingers take players on rather than pass the ball to the person next to them. All Guardiola needs to do is combine his possession-based game with the directness Bayern possessed last season, just like he did earlier, and they'll be near perfect.
Until 2013, German teams did not win a single European trophy in ages. Neither CL, nor EL. When did they become the undisputed masters of European football exactly? Their NT, as good as it is, has not won a trophy for some time as well, guess who did though.
Nobody will sack Guardiola. wtf are some of the caftards thinking? Nobody from the club is scapegoating him either. They are already rallied behind him. The season isnt bad at all, especially when we can win the cup final against Dortmund. The semifinal in the CL is no "OMG so great" mind-blow achievement, but realistically speaking its a success. There are about 8-12 clubs who want to get to this round and only 4 can do it. No reason to be ashamed. We lost against a better team.
the two main reason why we lost today:
1) Real played great. They deserve to be in the final.
2) Many of our players played far from their best. Schweinsteiger, Ribery, Mandzukic, Müller, Boateng and to some extend Lahm underperformed. Robben alone cant do it.
Its annoying, that the performance drop came at the wrong time, but its not really surprising either. The team performed since the "Finale dahoam" (CL final at home/AllianzArena) campaign (11/12) on a incredible level. Most players dont even perform a whole season at their best level.
Yes there are also some minor tactical things, that Pep should think about (at least in my mind), but to write of "TikiTaka" is ridiculous.
the two main reason why we lost today:
1) Real played great. They deserve to be in the final.
2) Many of our players played far from their best. Schweinsteiger, Ribery, Mandzukic, Müller, Boateng and to some extend Lahm underperformed. Robben alone cant do it.
Its annoying, that the performance drop came at the wrong time, but its not really surprising either. The team performed since the "Finale dahoam" (CL final at home/AllianzArena) campaign (11/12) on a incredible level. Most players dont even perform a whole season at their best level.
Yes there are also some minor tactical things, that Pep should think about (at least in my mind), but to write of "TikiTaka" is ridiculous.
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