Shinji Kagawa

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I think if we had something like this next year

-----------------DDG----------------
Kagawa*------Jones----Smalling----Kagawa**
-----------Kagawa***---Kagawa*****--
---------------Kagawa***************---
--------------RVP----Kagawa^----------

It'd work

Kagawa* - Maybe not Kagawa specifically, but someone with his workrate and his tackling technique would work here
Kagawa** - Ok maybe not Kagawa for sure, but as we're looking for a new LB, I don't know why LVG wouldn't play Kagawa here, good crossing, has played here for Japan (even though they're way better than United) and could play here because all our other midfielders have played better than him but we NEED to get him on the team
Kagawa*** - Kagawa's best position. We've actually won 78% of games while he's played here and he's been proven to have the best stamina and passing in the league
Kagawa***** - He would shine here but only if the other 10 players in the team were set up perfectly for Kagawa to be the focal point of the entire team
Kagawa************** - Better than Mata and Rooney here despite never showing it or getting near half the assists/goals as Rooney or Mata
Kagawa^ Klopp played him here once and Dortmund won 5-0. Klopp still cries thinking about that game
 
Well, Kagawa covers the most ground, sources say that he's got the best BEEP test scores since Beckham in 2003, and Kagawa's coach in Japan said that Kagawa's greatest strength is his constant movement(he used those exact words). If this doesn't prove that Kagawa has an excellent engine, then it don't know what will.

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I do love this GIF, it always makes me chuckle. Stick to this kind of thing, pocco.
 
I don't really understand why people is so obsessing with fitting Kagawa into the team even if it means seriously bending the playing system etc. Even if you take his game at a peak, it's not like it's a world class performance. He really fitted in Dortmund, but he never was a great player individually. I have a friend who is a Dortmund's fan, well sort of, and when it was pretty much known that Kagawa will move to England and most likely MU, he said that it's not a big loss, because Goetze is much better in the middle and they will have Reus on left. The team will actually be better.
So the way i see it, Kagawa should fit into the team, not team made/selected so he can be fitted into it.
 
I don't really understand why people is so obsessing with fitting Kagawa into the team even if it means seriously bending the playing system etc. Even if you take his game at a peak, it's not like it's a world class performance. He really fitted in Dortmund, but he never was a great player individually. I have a friend who is a Dortmund's fan, well sort of, and when it was pretty much known that Kagawa will move to England and most likely MU, he said that it's not a big loss, because Goetze is much better in the middle and they will have Reus on left. The team will actually be better.
So the way i see it, Kagawa should fit into the team, not team made/selected so he can be fitted into it.

LVG wants a team that dominates possession and uses a pressing style defense which plays in to Kagawa's strengths perfectly. What Kagawa does best is receive the ball and make sure he finds a teammate even if he is in a very tight area or pressed himself. Also he is one of just two players with Mata to have vast experience in a high press and it plays in to his stamina strength as well.

So Kagawa would be chosen because he fits the teams philosophy. I believe everybody would prefer us to sign two world-class possession dominating CM's but that isn't too realistic as if they were available every team would be after them not just us.

We'd not pay more than Monaco, City, Chelsea and PSG, we'd not offer CL football. Basically we'd be incredibly lucky to land one, and two would be a dream but highly unrealistic.
 
I think if we had something like this next year

-----------------DDG----------------
Kagawa*------Jones----Smalling----Kagawa**
-----------Kagawa***---Kagawa*****--
---------------Kagawa***************---
--------------RVP----Kagawa^----------

It'd work

Kagawa* - Maybe not Kagawa specifically, but someone with his workrate and his tackling technique would work here
Kagawa** - Ok maybe not Kagawa for sure, but as we're looking for a new LB, I don't know why LVG wouldn't play Kagawa here, good crossing, has played here for Japan (even though they're way better than United) and could play here because all our other midfielders have played better than him but we NEED to get him on the team
Kagawa*** - Kagawa's best position. We've actually won 78% of games while he's played here and he's been proven to have the best stamina and passing in the league
Kagawa***** - He would shine here but only if the other 10 players in the team were set up perfectly for Kagawa to be the focal point of the entire team
Kagawa************** - Better than Mata and Rooney here despite never showing it or getting near half the assists/goals as Rooney or Mata
Kagawa^ Klopp played him here once and Dortmund won 5-0. Klopp still cries thinking about that game
No way. Jones, Smalling and RvP totally weaken a team from an all-Kagawa lineup. Only Fellani deserves a place with Kagawa.
 

Compelling argument.

I love how people are more willing to believe that goal.com would start a rumor about Kagawa having excellent stamina, than it actually being true. Despite the fact that he's the United player that covers the most ground, all the other stamina stats from his Dortmund days, and his coach in Japan saying that Kagawa's constant movement is his biggest strength. No, surely goal.com must be lying, that's only reasonable explanation...
 
I think if we had something like is next year

-----------------DDG----------------
Kagawa*------Jones----Smalling----Kagawa**
-----------Kagawa***---Kagawa*****--
---------------Kagawa***************---
--------------RVP----Kagawa^----------

It'd work

Kagawa* - Maybe not Kagawa specifically, but someone with his workrate and his tackling technique would work here
Kagawa** - Ok maybe not Kagawa for sure, but as we're looking for a new LB, I don't know why LVG wouldn't play Kagawa here, good crossing, has played here for Japan (even though they're way better than United) and could play here because all our other midfielders have played better than him but we NEED to get him on the team
Kagawa*** - Kagawa's best position. We've actually won 78% of games while he's played here and he's been proven to have the best stamina and passing in the league
Kagawa***** - He would shine here but only if the other 10 players in the team were set up perfectly for Kagawa to be the focal point of the entire team
Kagawa************** - Better than Mata and Rooney here despite never showing it or getting near half the assists/goals as Rooney or Mata
Kagawa^ Klopp played him here once and Dortmund won 5-0. Klopp still cries thinking about that game
Most have been attributing Kagawas poor performances/output to being played out of position but now he can play all roles? Odd.
 
LVG wants a team that dominates possession and uses a pressing style defense which plays in to Kagawa's strengths perfectly. What Kagawa does best is receive the ball and make sure he finds a teammate even if he is in a very tight area or pressed himself. Also he is one of just two players with Mata to have vast experience in a high press and it plays in to his stamina strength as well.

So Kagawa would be chosen because he fits the teams philosophy. I believe everybody would prefer us to sign two world-class possession dominating CM's but that isn't too realistic as if they were available every team would be after them not just us.

The thing with van Gaal is that he likes his teams to play at 3 different "paces": "slow", "medium", and "fast".

"Slow" and "Medium" paces are compatible for Kagawa in central midfield as his passing efficiency, intelligence, and movement will be good to keep possession and be penetrative.

However, Kagawa won't suit the "fast" pace as his passing range is limited. Mata's passing range is greater than Kagawa's, so he'd be more useful when we break out quickly.

Pressing is all good when it works well. However, when it fails (mistakes can be made), then we'll need players with good defensive awareness to slow down the opposition attack and prevent them from putting pressure on us. Mata hasn't demonstrated this defensive awareness that Kagawa has, so there's an issue to deal with if Mata plays in central midfield.

All of this depends on van Gaal's midfield setup, though. If van Gaal plays the point backwards, then this is fine as Kagawa's ability to read the game is better than Mata's and can make up for Mata's lesser defensive awareness. However, if we play with the point forwards, then this will cause a problem as Kagawa doesn't have the passing range to play in central midfield whilst Mata doesn't have the defensive awareness to play as a central midfielder.

We'll just have to see what van Gaal has in store for this team.
 
The thing with van Gaal is that he likes his teams to play at 3 different "paces": "slow", "medium", and "fast".

"Slow" and "Medium" paces are compatible for Kagawa in central midfield as his passing efficiency, intelligence, and movement will be good to keep possession and be penetrative.

However, Kagawa won't suit the "fast" pace as his passing range is limited. Mata's passing range is greater than Kagawa's, so he'd be more useful when we break out quickly.

Pressing is all good when it works well. However, when it fails (mistakes can be made), then we'll need players with good defensive awareness to slow down the opposition attack and prevent them from putting pressure on us. Mata hasn't demonstrated this defensive awareness that Kagawa has, so there's an issue to deal with if Mata plays in central midfield.

All of this depends on van Gaal's midfield setup, though. If van Gaal plays the point backwards, then this is fine as Kagawa's ability to read the game is better than Mata's and can make up for Mata's lesser defensive awareness. However, if we play with the point forwards, then this will cause a problem as Kagawa doesn't have the passing range to play in central midfield whilst Mata doesn't have the defensive awareness to play as a central midfielder.

We'll just have to see what van Gaal has in store for this team.

I agree with nearly all points. For me Kagawa and Mata would only be feasible with an absolute world-class DM behind them, who preferably has the range of passing that Mata and Kagawa lacks and the defensive abilities to balance them out.

Of course even with that midfielder here nothing would guarantee that Mata and Kagawa would take all the necessary steps to make it happen - nor that they'd even want to become the offensive CM pairing in the midfield triangle.

I think Mata actually showed great potential when he played in front of Kagawa. He stepped down and took Kagawa's defensive job and did a much better job than Kagawa did. I was very positively surprised with it and didn't expect Mata to have it naturally in him to do so. Happened repeatedly in that game as well as Kagawa was dreadful and completely lacked any sort of desire to play football.
 
I agree with nearly all points. For me Kagawa and Mata would only be feasible with an absolute world-class DM behind them, who preferably has the range of passing that Mata and Kagawa lacks and the defensive abilities to balance them out.

Of course even with that midfielder here nothing would guarantee that Mata and Kagawa would take all the necessary steps to make it happen - nor that they'd even want to become the offensive CM pairing in the midfield triangle.

I think Mata actually showed great potential when he played in front of Kagawa. He stepped down and took Kagawa's defensive job and did a much better job than Kagawa did. I was very positively surprised with it and didn't expect Mata to have it naturally in him to do so. Happened repeatedly in that game as well as Kagawa was dreadful and completely lacked any sort of desire to play football.

Is this the Southampton match that you're talking about? I would probably put that as a one-off, myself. Consistently, I don't see that defensive awareness in him. Plus, he came up as a winger in Valencia and played in purely offensive roles in Chelsea.

Kagawa, on the other hand, showed that his defensive awareness is better than what he showed at Southampton in past matches.

Who knows, Mata may have that innate defensive ability in him!
 
Is this the Southampton match that you're talking about? I would probably put that as a one-off, myself. Consistently, I don't see that defensive awareness in him. Plus, he came up as a winger in Valencia and played in purely offensive roles in Chelsea.

Kagawa, on the other hand, showed that his defensive awareness is better than what he showed at Southampton in past matches.

Who knows, Mata may have that innate defensive ability in him!

I don't assume he does of course, but I was positively surprised when I saw him display it. For me his best defensive displays has always come for Spain where he has actually worked hard in their pressing game. His Chelsea and Valencia days never impressed me defensively, then I'd rate his performances for United higher even as he actually worked defensively here.
 
He had a very good game in Japan's 1-0 victory over Cyprus today. Assisted the only goal that was scored, and was most likely MOTM(if they have such an award for friendlies).

Cyprus aren't exactly world beaters, but once again it's like watching a different player when Kagawa plays for Japan. He's much more dangerous from the left in a progressive, creative, attacking team.

Yeah well you say MOTM obviously but one the players that actually played against them Nestoras Mitidis said in an interview that the two players that he thought where good and who he singled out were Honda and Nagatomo not Kagawa.
 
Yeah well you say MOTM obviously but one the players that actually played against them Nestoras Mitidis said in an interview that the two players that he thought where good and who he singled out were Honda and Nagatomo not Kagawa.

Honda?! He had one of the worst games I've seen him play for a while, and I'm saying that as a Honda fan. He wasn't bad in any way, but he was almost invisbile. Too invisible for being an AM in a game that Japan dominated completely.

Nagatomo was very good, but I actually think Uchida(the rightback) was better. He only played one half, but did more than Nagatomo did the whole game. He also scored the winner.

Kagawa played consistently well during the whole game, didn't make a single noteable mistake, assisted the goal, and was pretty much always active around the ball in the opponent's half.
 
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http://www.theguardian.com/football...p-2014-japan-profile-shinji-kagawa?CMP=twt_gu

This article is part of the Guardian's World Cup 2014 Experts' Network, a co-operation between 32 of the best media organisations from the countries who have qualified for the finals in Brazil. theguardian.com is running previews from four countries each day in the run-up to the tournament kicking off on 12 June.

A few months ago, I received a job offer to go and work at the J-League club Vegalta Sendai. It would have meant waving a sorry goodbye to the intoxicating vibrancy of Kansai, western Japan – home of manzai comedy, home to the world's greatest food city (Osaka) according to Michael Booth in the Guardian, and the only home I have known in this country for over a decade. My prospective new digs would be over 500 miles away in the remote Tohoku (literally 'northeast') region, where I knew absolutely nobody, where temperatures were five degrees colder but humidity somehow 10% higher, and where – as tragically witnessed on 11 March 2011 – tectonic activity is particularly intense even by the standards of a country formed at the junction of four different plates.

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To be honest, I cannot deny feeling a certain relief when a change of circumstances took the decision to uproot out of my hands. But this was the very decision taken by Shinji Kagawa, entirely of his own accord, at the tender age of 12.

Born in Kobe in 1989, four years before the official launch of the J-League, Kagawa was part of the first generation of Japanese boys for whom it was relatively common to grow up dreaming of becoming a professional footballer. However, there was nothing childlike about his level of ambition. As a spindly 10-year-old, he was given the opportunity to spend the primary school summer holiday training up in Sendai with FC Miyagi Barcelona, a youth football club not officially affiliated to the blaugrana in Catalonia but famous for encouraging the art of dribbling. There, as the director Noboru Kusaka recounted to Soccer Critique magazine last year, Kagawa spelled out exactly how he planned to reach the top.

"I'm going to join a J-League club's development scheme, get picked for regional select teams and play in national tournaments. If I can't do that, I'll play for a normal local club, do my best there so I can join a J-League youth team or a famous footballing high school when I am 15, and then work hard to turn pro. It might then take two years to make the first team, but I'll be patient and once I get a game, I then want to be picked for the Japan under-age teams and finally the full national side."

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Kusaka was duly impressed both by the youngster's plan and by his execution on the pitch. "Even then," he says, "Shinji understood it wouldn't all go smoothly. He knew exactly how good he was, where his assets were, in which areas he was lacking and what he needed to do about them. From that age he was capable of constructive self-evaluation, and this hasn't changed ever since." Just 18 months after his initial spell at FC Miyagi Barcelona, Kagawa left his parents' home to move up to the other end of the country on a permanent basis.

The new environment allowed him to focus on developing his technique and suited him so well that he decided to stay on at the club upon reaching high-school age. The decision bore fruit as, in September 2005, the 16-year-old Kagawa was called into the Tohoku under-18 select squad to appear at the Sendai Cup – a famous international youth tournament whose future alumni would include Oscar, Yann M'Vila, and Alexandre Pato.

Following defeats to Lucas Leiva's Brazil and Nikola Kalinic's Croatia, the local side played their final group game against the Japan under-18 team. Deployed at the base of midfield, from where he had plenty of space to show off his dribbling skills, Kagawa repeatedly bamboozled a defence containing his now Brazil 2014 team-mates Maya Yoshida and Atsuto Uchida, and was involved in three goals as Tohoku thrashed the rest of the nation 5-2.

By now, Kansai was calling him back home. Youth football in Japan is closely associated with the education system – with famous sporting high schools and universities akin to those in North America – and even those who take the European-style club or academy route will rarely change direction outside the school graduation ages of 12, 15, 18, and 22. But with half a dozen J-League clubs now swarming around the star of that Tohoku select team, Cerezo Osaka needed to act quickly.

Their scout, Akio Kogiku, had happened across Kagawa more than a year previously when visiting Miyagi to watch the goalkeeper Kenta Tanno. Kogiku urged his bosses to make the move, recalling how he had been instantly impressed by the midfielder's desire for the ball, sense of control, and the sheer manner in which he immersed himself in football even away from the pitch. A contract was presented in December 2005, and Kagawa became the first player ever to sign professional terms with a J-League club midway through his high school education without previously having been part of its youth set-up.

Kagawa's first season at Cerezo was a difficult, but important learning experience. Criticised for his lack of speed, he failed to make the first team but instead worked hard on his physique, his quickness of touch, and his football brain to rectify the problem. According to Kogiku, it was Kagawa's genuine love of the game that moved him to think more about diet, gym routines, and how to analyse opponents' moves before they made them. This effort was what stood him apart.

The breakthrough year came in 2007, when the Brazilian Levir Culpi was appointed as manager and immediately told Kagawa he would be a starter – albeit in an unfamiliar, more advanced midfield role where he could develop as a goalscorer. By now aged 18, the Cerezo No26 thrived on the freedom and faith placed in him. From late May onwards, he started every J2 (second division) game for which he was available and netted five times. This tally rose to 16 the following year, and when he was given the club's famous No8 shirt in 2009 after the retirement of the Japan legend Hiroaki Morishima, he contributed an astonishing 27 goals and 13 assists as the pink half of Osaka sealed their return to J1. Seven goals in his first 11 top-flight appearances, and the Bundesliga's Borussia Dortmund came calling.

Kagawa can still show signs of mental fragility. Culpi famously once contrasted him with Yoichiro Kakitani, now an international team-mate, saying: "Shinji has a great sense of responsibility as a professional, but this means he fears making mistakes. Conversely, Yoichiro is irresponsible, but this makes him capable of great bravery."

But no matter how much he may have suffered in the David Moyes era at Manchester United, ahead of his first World Cup he just needs to think back to his roots, and to all the coaches from Kusaka to Jürgen Klopp he has wowed, to remember he is already one of the most special footballers in Japanese history.
 
He does strike me as the player that will carry LvG's instructions out to the letter.
 
I hope, and believe that he will become one of the blossoming, and key players under LVG.
 
I totally agree. Seems like an LvG kinda player who puts the team ahead of himself. The only issue, I'm guessing, is whether or not his lack of pace will hinder him. I hope not.

I really hope to see more of him, especially under LvG.
I don't disagree with you on anything here, but it is strange that he was part of a Dortmund team which also then relied highly on stamina and pace. I would hope (and think) that he would fit well into a LVG team. One can only hope that "Football total" fits him, and LVG sees and gets the potential out of him! The he might be like a new signing, yes?
 


Very interesting article. Though I knew a lot of the things before, I didn't know that Kagawa kissed his parents goodbye at the age of 12. That level of independency and adventurism is very un-Japanese.

I find it weird that Culpi would say that Kagawa lacks "bravery" though. Why? Because he said this less than 2 years ago:

“In a way he is a little bit of a rebel. I remember his last game for Osaka. We got a free-kick, and Shinji wasn’t supposed to take it, we had other players who were supposed to that.

“But he wanted to say farewell to the fans with a goal. So he took it, and scored. He is a bit of a rebel but that’s important for winners. They take the decisions that give them success. He isn’t afraid of anything and takes any challenge head on. He is a special boy.
 
I don't disagree with you on anything here, but it is strange that he was part of a Dortmund team which also then relied highly on stamina and pace. I would hope (and think) that he would fit well into a LVG team. One can only hope that "Football total" fits him, and LVG sees and gets the potential out of him! The he might be like a new signing, yes?
I think Dortmund are a high pressing, possession based team, right? And I believe Kagawa played more of a link up role anyways? If that is the case, then work rate is more important and pace less so.

LvG has mentioned he values the team over the individual and he also values players with "brains". Kagawa places the team above himself, has work rate and, above all, is intelligent. I think and hope that Kagawa fits in.

And yeah, I agree. Cliched as this may sound, if he blossoms, he would be like a new signing for us.

Very interesting article. Though I knew a lot of the things before, I didn't know that Kagawa kissed his parents goodbye at the age of 12. That level of independency and adventurism is very un-Japanese.

I find it weird that Culpi would say that Kagawa lacks "bravery" though. Why? Because he said this less than 2 years ago:
Was it originally in English? Perhaps there was an issue with the translation. It could be that he meant that Kagawa feels more pressure because he takes responsibility, but he is still willing to take risks. Or it could be that there was no pressure on that game and he felt the freedom to be a little bit cheeky.
 
Why are footballers so stubborn? Why waste your best years as a footballer on the bench of a team when you could be starting for a better one? Its almost as if some of them aren't aware this is a short career. Good to see him play for Japan, he's always sensational for them. One of the best footballers in the world when he puts on that shirt.
 
Just scored a great goal on the counter attack. 1-2 on the edge of the box and played underneath the keeper into the corner.
 
Just scored a great goal on the counter attack. 1-2 on the edge of the box and played underneath the keeper into the corner.
Yeah I'm watching the game and it was a nice goal
 
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Yeah really well worked. They've threatened to do it a few times too. Japan could easily have had a couple more.
Yeah I agree

Kagawa plays with a swagger when he's playing for Japan. They play at a high tempo with players making runs into space and Kagawa's one touch game really compliments that I feel.
 
Very interesting article. Though I knew a lot of the things before, I didn't know that Kagawa kissed his parents goodbye at the age of 12. That level of independency and adventurism is very un-Japanese.

I find it weird that Culpi would say that Kagawa lacks "bravery" though. Why? Because he said this less than 2 years ago:

Japanese people are no less adventurous than anybody else.

If anything kissing parents goodbye is very un-Japanese, if there is such a thing.
 
The part about him not taking risks and not being brave are something very recognisable about his time here.

Definitely. It's both his weakness and his strength. In desperate times, you won't see Kagawa trying Steven Gerrard type pot shots at goal at the expense of the team. On the other hand, he probably won't single handedly win games without input from his team mates.
 
Definitely. It's both his weakness and his strength. In desperate times, you won't see Kagawa trying Steven Gerrard type pot shots at goal at the expense of the team. On the other hand, he probably won't single handedly win games without input from his team mates.

There is no such thing in the world as a player who 'singlehandely' wins games.
 
Kagawa can thrive in LvG's 4-3-3 as the more attacking midfielder, we just need some steel behind the front 4 and a footballer on the wings.
 
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