You might want to look back at the KAL shootdown back during the Cold War, planet still here.
Malaysian Plane crashes over the Ukraine | 17th July 2014
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You might want to look back at the KAL shootdown back during the Cold War, planet still here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Even if you 100% buy the official US version of the story, it means some highly trained people with some very sophisticated equipment made some pretty awful decisions.
Even if you 100% buy the official US version of the story, it means some highly trained people with some very sophisticated equipment made some pretty awful decisions.
Do we know if the crash site is in territory controlled by the Ukrainian military or territory controlled by Russian separatists? In other words, do Ukrainian officials have full access to the crash site?
Whoever controls it will have ample opportunity to doctor the scene if they want to.
Yeah.. and got awarded Medals for it.
It's on the Russian side afaik, that's what the media are reporting (i.e. on the rebel side).
I'm watching Fox News to see when 'appeasement' comes out.
That's what I was thinking. I would have more confidence if the Ukrainians were in control of the wreckage, though.
Do we know who is dealing with the crash site? Surely the separatists don't have the expertise/resources to deal with things on the ground properly?
No idea.
Don't think this has been posted yet.
Here's the archived page after it was deleted.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140717161058/https://vk.com/strelkov_info
Here's the archived page after it was deleted.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140717161058/https://vk.com/strelkov_info
Wow. This is a major feck-up.
RIP.
RIP.
Apparently it's on the separatists territory and they're blocking the Ukrainians from getting there. They promise (
) to send the FDR to Russia. Laughable shit really.http://en.itar-tass.com/world/738262
Looks like the separatists do have these kind of weapons despite them now saying they don´t
Looks like the separatists do have these kind of weapons despite them now saying they don´t
Full translation: "In the vicinity of Torez, we just downed a plane, an AN-26. It is lying somewhere in the Progress Mine. We have issued warnings not to fly in our airspace. We have video confirming. The bird fell on a waste heap. Residential areas were not hit. Civilians were not injured." '
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-separatist-leader-boasts-downing-plane/25460930.html
There's something distasteful about seeing pics of Ukrainians in vests clambering all over the wreckage.
Apparently it's on the separatists territory and they're blocking the Ukrainians from getting there. They promise (
Dutch/Malaysian officials should be demanding access for their own investigators on the site.
Good luck with that, when plane with our president crashed it took fecking ages to get anything from this scum and we still didn't get plane's wreckage. It's mostly down to ineptitude of our government though, hope that the Dutch or Malaysian can do something about it, although once it goes through Kreml's dirty hands, it's worthless.
My god, I just saw pictures of the dead bodies. Just horrifying.
CNN reporting Ukraine believes it was a Russian BUK system (SA 11 or 17) that took the plane down. According to them Russian separatists boasted about capturing a BUK system a few weeks back.
This is beginning to scare me. Rip to the people who lost their lives.
One in a million coincidence that it's Malaysian Airlines again or tin foil hat territory?
One moment and such a huge impact, very sad.
Gotta feel for the families who are just learning their loved ones are gone.
Americans involved too. Lovely.
Wow what a tragic waste of life
I know its an international flight corridor and also that nobody has a right to shoot down civilian aircraft, but if there were already 2 aircraft shot down in the vicinity, was it prudent for civilian aircraft to still fly over the area?
I know its an international flight corridor and also that nobody has a right to shoot down civilian aircraft, but if there were already 2 aircraft shot down in the vicinity, was it prudent for civilian aircraft to still fly over the area?
What? Where are you getting that 60% number from?
I would be unbelieveably angry.
I am starting to think that I will be requesting a change of name fairly soon as I will be heading home...Whoever is behind this outrage, it is pitiful that two very-closely linked countries are now at each others' throats, and, beyond that, Russia and the EU are at loggerheads over basically an indistinct border while much more fundamental problems are lurking (the long-term economic challenge of Asia and, more immediately, British Muslims returning from Syria for example). 100 years later, Europe is once again demonstrating its capacity to self-destruct.
23 Americans is going to really add some fuel to this one.
Has the American passengers story been confirmed?
US Citizens? Uh oh!
BUK spotted in Snizhne today.
http://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/2ayy7e/buk_in_snizhne_today/
http://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/2ayy7e/buk_in_snizhne_today/
Apparently separatists tweeted about shooting it down as it happened before swiftly deleting. Unfortunately for them, once on the internet...
Remember the Fox News love-in for Putin not long ago? All those manly shirtless pics they were all swooning over. Why can't Obama be more like him?
Just coincidence, which will just fuel a bunch of tin foil hat theories.
Wow...looks like the moment of impact was actually filmed. Gruesome.
A link to this? It would be amazing if someone did film the impact at that kind of altitude.