The same Spurs he regularly finished ahead of (and certainly competed with) in the league on a fraction of the budget?
What Now For Moyes?
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The same Spurs he regularly finished ahead of (and certainly competed with) in the league on a fraction of the budget?
Spurs finished ahead of Everton in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013. Also finished ahead of Moyes United last season. Some regularity your man had. Actually Everton finally managed a higher finish after he left.
Not in the past 5 seasons he didn't.
Moyes
2009/ 2010 8
2010/ 2011 7
2011/ 2012 7
2012/ 2013 6
2013/ 2014 7
Spurs
2009/ 2010 4
2010/ 2011 5
2011/ 2012 4
2012/ 2013 5
2013/ 2014 6
I've got my doubts, but whether or not Levy wanted Moyes in the past, the point is moot. Moyes is currently untouchable after last season for any team with serious Top 4 aspirations.
He should go abroad.Rebuild his reputation where there is less scrutiny. He's a laughing stock now which is a shame. I think the reason why he had supporters was because he is an honest, hard working man with integrity who worked his way up to this stage. I wanted him to succeed without having much on a plate to work with. The moment he did he messed up and I'm sure he knows this.
Heh.
Couldnt give a flying france where he ends up.
All fair points. As i've said though, I do think it's all hypothetical, because i'm quite confidant that LVG is going to do well. I was just saying that, in the unlikely event of LVG doing badly, it would help redeem Moyes to a certain extent, because it would show just how hard the job is, even for someone as proven and as experienced as LVG.
I'm not sure why people feel he'd be successful at Newcastle or Tottenham, their fans would not take to his football. West Ham is the obvious team, but aren't their fans tired of fat Sam's football too?
Though I do think the Newcastle hierarchy might take to him as they don't seem to actually have any ambition bar staying around mid-table.
I agree though, both Spurs and Newcastle fans would expect much better football than what he can offer.
It was fairly obvious they had had a gut full of the useless toad at the turn of the year.
We were having a discussion on here about him getting the bullet about a week before he went and sky bet had him 4th favourite at 25/1 or something to be sacked before the end of the season.
I wish I'd had the strength in my conviction to lump on at that point.
But then I was convinced he was not going to last till Christmas before a ball had been kicked in anger and he some how nearly managed to hang on to the end of the season.
Wonder who is this player who gave up in Feb? By the looks of that statement it seems to be a popular one with the fans.. So was it RVP or Hernandez or Welbeck?? Weren't there rumours that Welbeck wanted to leave us..
Well if it would killed Moyes right then and there, doubt it would have been Welbeck. Tbh, felt like most of the team gave up on him by that point. Lotta fans as well.
They will be trying twice as hard for van Gaal than they did for Moyes simply because van Gaal is a winner who will reach them while Moyes hides in his shell, blames everyone but himself and struggles with new ideas.
Results were not the main thing that bothered me about him to be honest. It is the way he went about things - he was so smug, blaming players saying they weren't good enough, finally shifting blame to Ferguson for leaving him an ageing squad. As I said, he would proclaim himself a hero if he finished 4th with us in 2015, for van Gaal this would be a failure.
Results were not the main thing that bothered me about him to be honest. It is the way he went about things - he was so smug, blaming players saying they weren't good enough, finally shifting blame to Ferguson for leaving him an ageing squad. As I said, he would proclaim himself a hero if he finished 4th with us in 2015, for van Gaal this would be a failure.
Maybe it was Vidic. Club captain and all. We kind of know he gave up on Moyes anyway...
I would like to say i don't give a feck where he ends up also but i do a bit if im honest.
I would prefer if he went abroad so i don't have to see his smug face too often for a while, and certainly not at OT any time soon if possible. Every time i see him brings back memories of last season or should i say the Moyes clusterfeck.
I see people still trott out the old 'honest & hard working David Moyes' line. Myth if ever there was one.
I will donate 20 quid to RedCafe if he gets another job by Christmas...
The guy has come out and said he's holding off on taking a job as he believes he has shown he's a "top level" manager, that deserves to be with a CL team, after his "achievement" of getting us to the QF's of the damn thing....
I'll go as far as to say that, no top level club will ever take a chance on him again. Sadly, we were his Owen Hargreaves. (guinea pig)
The guy has come out and said he's holding off on taking a job as he believes he has shown he's a "top level" manager, that deserves to be with a CL team, after his "achievement" of getting us to the QF's of the damn thing....
I'll go as far as to say that, no top level club will ever take a chance on him again. Sadly, we were his Owen Hargreaves. (guinea pig)
Hes a small time man. Soon he'll realize he fits perfect at a small time club. Arguably in hindsight Everton was too big for him.
It may have been. It may also have been Giggs.
Nah. Giggs reportedly started losing it with him after the City game. The one in September
It could have been any one of 8 or 9 senior players and that just about says everything.
It was reported in a few of the fanzines that the players, completely lost it when, he organised a team meeting...And it turned out to a seminar on how to dress for away games.
Now, I know people will say "Awwhhh that's bullshit" etc etc...However, I've yet to come across a story, reported last season, that isn't true!
Maybe I'm missing something, but how do you know that every story reported last season was true?
The Vidic stories turned out to be true
The Ferdinand stories turned out to be true
The Rooney stories turned out to be true.
The Giggs stories are likely to be true.
There is nothing to even suggest any of them are bullshit
Remind me what the Ferdinand and Rooney stories were? I'm genuinely asking, not having a go.
Stories about a falling out with Rio and Moyes all through the season from Red News, United We Stand, Red Issue and Andy Mitten. When Moyes was rumoured to be getting the sack, Rio was giving it large on Twitter the days leading up to it.
Stories about Rooney being his prized pupil and teacher's pet etc. Rooney gets a massive contract, with a massive pay rise and an inside track on transfers. Reported by all the fanzines, the press, Mitten and other journos.
The player in question is undoubtedly Giggs if you ask me.
"..would've killed Moyes there and then if it had come out."
Giggs is the only player you could say that about. He's United's darling and the club clearly want him to eventually become manager. Plus, it's no secret he wasn't happy with Moyes before that anyway. February probably would've been the time he'd have totally lost any faith, most people had completely given up in Jan/Feb. The first half of the season was shit but January onwards was an absolute farce.
"..would've killed Moyes there and then if it had come out."
Giggs is the only player you could say that about. He's United's darling and the club clearly want him to eventually become manager. Plus, it's no secret he wasn't happy with Moyes before that anyway. February probably would've been the time he'd have totally lost any faith, most people had completely given up in Jan/Feb. The first half of the season was shit but January onwards was an absolute farce.
How so?
Not sure....But the City game started it for Giggs. Or so I've read anyways. Not sure if that's true or not.
Probably the whole, sitting with his head in hands, while City spanked us thing that done it ha
Coming out after that match when we've just been battered 4-1 by City and letting us know that "there'll be more days like this to come" probably didn't help.
Atleast he wasn't lying, the twat.
Atleast he wasn't lying, the twat.
I like to think of last season as penance, being a good Catholic and all...
Could also be RvP, he practically bailed on the season to stay fit for the world cup once he recognized that Moyes was off his rocker and he's supposed to be the club's star player.
Wasn't the story that Moyes had a go at the players after the 4-1 saying something like ''see i told you City played long balls to Dzeko all day, thats how you win at this level'', apparently the players didn't want to play this way beforehand and were confused by Moyes comments as they didn't think City had played direct.
As the story goes a group of players led by Giggs asked Steve Round the next day for him and Moyes to have a look at the game again, Round came back later that day and said they had played it long only 3 times and they were in fact wrong. Or something along those lines.
Well thats the story i read, can't remember where on why Giggs and a few others started to lose faith in Moyes as far back as september. Could be bullshit who knows.
We were pointing to things like bad results, tension with players, poor media handling and lack of progression as signs that Moyes was out of depth but the players would have realised it long before then simply because training wasn't up to scratch. That's something that would have dawned on them very quickly I'd imagine, certainly within the first month. Add that to the fact that they were almost certainly underwhelmed by his appointment from the get go and it's no surprise the likes of Giggs had serious doubts as early as September.
Anyway, to answer the question that bumped this thread: LvG being successful wouldn't have any effect on Moyes' rep as it's already as low as it could possibly be. If we failed to make the top four though? That might have some impact. Suddenly people would shift more blame onto the players and would be more willing to accept that Moyes arrived into a situation that was worse than it initially appeared. It would never be enough to change the fact that Moyes was awful here but it might be enough to convince any potential new employers that this was a bit of a one off situation.
Anyway, to answer the question that bumped this thread: LvG being successful wouldn't have any effect on Moyes' rep as it's already as low as it could possibly be. If we failed to make the top four though? That might have some impact. Suddenly people would shift more blame onto the players and would be more willing to accept that Moyes arrived into a situation that was worse than it initially appeared. It would never be enough to change the fact that Moyes was awful here but it might be enough to convince any potential new employers that this was a bit of a one off situation.
Don't think it's him. RvP is quite well know to have never talked shit about anybody to anyone. In fact, he was dropped by LvG initially when he took over the Dutch team for this reason. LvG asked the Dutch players to be honest and share with each other what they think is not working. RvP did not say anything and LvG misunderstood that as RvP having an attitude and being uncooperative.
It was only later that he realised that RvP is never one to say bad things about anyone, and reinstate him into the Dutch 1st team.
He will probs take over from Bruce at hull after no club in the world will take a punt on him.
Not sure why you are having a go at me....
If you feel so strongly, red issue are on Twitter, post your thoughts to them. Or the many other writers, contributors and editors of various United fanzines. You know what to do
Moyes really damaged his reputation by dragging us down to seventh along with the manner in which he did so. I mean, aspiring to be at City's level? No way any club with regular Champions League football would entertain that kind of mentality
And the worst part is that's just the tip of the iceberg.
And the worst part is that's just the tip of the iceberg.