The sheer hatred towards Salmond is a bit strange...
Alex Salmond and Independence
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If you're going to go round arrogantly explaining how you're not like all the other arrogant politicians from other parties then you're going to get people finding you rather unpleasant, though.
See Nick Clegg's approval ratings, for more information.
Someone on the PR team really needs to evaluate themselves here. Although the phrase fits the face nicely.
A politician with very few explanations to questions with the response 'this is an attack by Westminster' on everything.
If you say so.
He and many in the Yes campaign, who object to constantly having to remind people that independence and Alex Salmond aren't one and the same. Think his days are numbered, to be honest.
I can't stand the man. If there was a better politician leading the Independence push, they would have had the result sewn up by now. There are a number of people who want independence yet are not fans of Salmond and are worried where he will lead them.
Year out of date and does not address the funding of Salmon's spending commitments.
Scaremongering apparently. It would be interesting to get a vote from the rest of the UK as to whether we want Scotland in the union, on a time and date stamped poll from say now, and five years ago. There's quite a few english who look at things like free university education, and prescriptions for scotland and can't understand it, and will happily support a yes vote because they feel like they are second class citizens.
No chance. There's so many people voting for the wrong reasons who's mind was made up as soon as the referendum was announced. The fact it's neck and neck is incredible and Salmond should be credited for his role in ensuring it's neck and neck after the early polls predicted a huge No victory.
You voiced concerns about the Oil. That gives you plenty information. The fact it was published in 2013 isn't really relevant. It still shows the basis for a lot of Salmond's spending commitments. If people don't like Salmond's plans then they don't need to vote for him or SNP post-independence...
You can't vote for this shit without an agreed plan for currency unless you're a bampot.
It's fecking madness, isn't it? The closer it gets to polling day, the more insane the whole thing seems.
I don't have a problem with the Scots voting for independence (aside from it screwing Labour, but that may be no bad thing in the long run). I have a real problem with a populist windbag who as no real grasp of economics or realpolitik. Dangerous forkkwit.
He does have a grasp of economics, though. His education was all about business and economics, and he spent several years in a bank. He's deliberately deceiving Yes supporters to get the vote - as politicians will do. This is probably more dangerous than not knowing.
My concerns of how Salmond will fund his plans is based on reports writtten in August 2014 which with an ounce of sense can see is likely to be more relevant than one written a year ago.
spot on!
I don't think he does - whatever his ostensible credentials. You cannot be taken seriously if you don't have agreed/nailed-down solutions to currency - it's forking madness. 'Be alright on the night lads'
Yes, I thought your post above was a very well-argued demolition (for a Leeds fan).
I would like to make a point which has been referenced but not really expressed properly (this follows a discussion with my Scottish GF).
I am a UK citizen. The UK is my country. Scotland leaving the Union affects my country in a huge way. Now I realise that it is not realistically viable to give the entire UK a vote on a subject like this, but I more just want to point out that it affects more than just the Scots. I, or any other UK citizen, have just as much a right to be passionate about Scottish independence and to argue my opinions, as a Scot does.
I am a UK citizen. The UK is my country. Scotland leaving the Union affects my country in a huge way. Now I realise that it is not realistically viable to give the entire UK a vote on a subject like this, but I more just want to point out that it affects more than just the Scots. I, or any other UK citizen, have just as much a right to be passionate about Scottish independence and to argue my opinions, as a Scot does.
No you forking don't. You colonised a country which doesn't give you a moral right to influence their own self-determination.
I'm in Spain and have drunk more than a little sangria so my sarcasm detector may be a little off. If you are genuine and would like to continue this line of conversation tomorrow, I wi be happy to oblige.
Obvious attempt to tell us about your Scottish girlfriend is obvious.
Honestly, that's about as legit as telling people from the west indies in the fifties they don't have the right to argue about their independence. As I pointed out before, wrong argument.
And I'am, as a member of german fraternity, probably way more drunk than you. And arguing in a foreign language.
Scotland would keep the pound. Also, people seem to forget if Scotland votes yes then that isn't the end there and then. There's 2 years of time to get issues set in stone.
Of course you can 'keep the pound' or you can 'adopt the dollar' as a lot of small countries have. But that's not the real story.
Need to stop them using their own banknotes, though.
£5 notes showing Bobby Moore raising the World Cup are the way forward.
£5 notes showing Bobby Moore raising the World Cup are the way forward.
http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/what-about-oil-independent-scotland
A more up to date article for you.
"Why are we paying them to eat deep-fried Mars Bars when we can't get decent health care?". Idiotic Tory...
I keep being told that we're voting Yes because we hate the English yet I've not seen anyone from Yes say anything like that about the English. Quite used to the hypocrisy and ignorance by now though.
I keep being told that we're voting Yes because we hate the English yet I've not seen anyone from Yes say anything like that about the English. Quite used to the hypocrisy and ignorance by now though.
Yeah, damn those bloody hypocritical ignorant English, thinking you don't like them.
So I've seen the polls and I've seen this:
Can someone give me the 411 on what is actually going on?
Can someone give me the 411 on what is actually going on?
Some Scottish people want independence. Some don't. They're gonna have a vote to decide who gets their way.
Also, posting videos about Scottish independence, that aren't available in the UK, is a tad unhelpful.
Also, posting videos about Scottish independence, that aren't available in the UK, is a tad unhelpful.
Friday will be an interesting day.
What a useless post.
The issue is obviously more complicated than that. Why do they want out? What do they gain? What do they lose (e.g. a currency)?
As for posting a video you can't watch...how exactly am I suppose to know that?
Yeah, there's a bit more to it. In fact, I'd go as far to say there is more to it than is realistic to expect to be summarised in a post.
You could always read the thread, if you're interested. Or an article. Or watch more videos online...
Fair enough, I figured I'd just start talking to people and see what happened. Oh well.
Okay. Well, I'm English and I want them to vote no, because the thought of having to write my nationality as "English" on a census makes me feel ill. That's about all I can contribute of worth.
Possibly. Rather fond of their booze and have a few good friends up there. Could probably find a Scottish great grandparent if required to legitimise my claims of Scottishness.