Same with us and AdM.
Mesut Özil
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Same with us and AdM.
Another case of "football fans stick to a story they love to hate".
He was never lazy or weak. He is a great great football player, not someone for the hard tackles.
If you can use that you got one of the 3 or 4 best playmakers around in the team. End of story.
And Wenger has him in the right place atm.
He was never lazy or weak. He is a great great football player, not someone for the hard tackles.
If you can use that you got one of the 3 or 4 best playmakers around in the team. End of story.
And Wenger has him in the right place atm.
There are players like Alexis, Di Maria and Cazorla, who love running with the ball and dribbling past three or four players. These are the ones that catch the eye. Özil has always been a passer. He rarely holds on to the ball longer than he needs to and performs well in teams set up to pass and move. I've always felt that he's tidy in possession and plays the most perfectly weighted passes in the PL. Some of his passes yesterday were so nicely weighted. He always gets the ball exactly where players want it. It's great to see.
People love watching the dribblers and those guys look better on TV, but Özil has managed to contribute more to our goals "without doing anything" in so many games than most other players in the PL have for their teams. It's hilarious to see the same old stereotypes being bandied about here. Someone even said he wasn't watching Arsenal players during the game and yet concluded that he didn't do much last night. Being involved in almost all our attacks isn't good enough even in low-scoring games. Not even sure what to say to these people.
There aren't many better in the final third no doubt. He just isn't involved more but that's not his game i guess. He was the same at Madrid.
He's a great complimentary player like ADM but neither are take the game by scruff of the neck types who can forcibly impose their will.
Ozil's magic, the only player in the PL at the moment who passes the ball and you go 'what the fu... ahh, I see'.
Danny Murphy was embarrassing last night. You could tell he hasn't seen Ozil after his return from injury outside of the Monaco game and he's just hopped on the bandwagon like the other mugs.
Happy to see max mayer starting, outrageous talent.
He's been fine.
Looks like bulking up has done him good as now when on the wing he's showing more to get around. He's not standing still like a lost child anymore.
Looks like bulking up has done him good as now when on the wing he's showing more to get around. He's not standing still like a lost child anymore.
Maybe I'm missing something here but Özil is absolutely nowhere near the level he was at in Madrid. His stats are masking the fact he isn't doing an awful lot of other things.
He's surrounded by mediocrity in comparison to what he was playing with at Madrid. That's bound to make a big difference.
Yeah that was lazy punditry.
Absolute cock-knocker.
I have seen him play well for Germany, but atm, would be on the bench when everyone is fit if I was the Professor.
I have seen him play well for Germany, but atm, would be on the bench when everyone is fit if I was the Professor.
He was shite last night and shite against Monaco. Arsenal's two biggest games of the season so far. Can't say I've watched him much otherwise.
He wasn't shite, most of our attacks ran through him in the second half. He wasn't particularly good either but the language in here is always so over the top.
We call him the 'Invisible Fish' in our house.
Yeah agree, he wasn't shite. He was just nothing special.
Ok, shite is harsh. To be honest, nobody at Arsenal was impressive (which made the result even more depressing!) but it was a standard Ozil PL performance from what I've seen of him. The occasional nice touch or pass but massively underwhelming for a player with his reputation.
Can't find Nemo.
Not Silva with a straightforward ball to a man breaking behind the backline. Fabregas is a better example.
There are players like Alexis, Di Maria and Cazorla, who love running with the ball and dribbling past three or four players. These are the ones that catch the eye. Özil has always been a passer. He rarely holds on to the ball longer than he needs to and performs well in teams set up to pass and move. I've always felt that he's tidy in possession and plays the most perfectly weighted passes in the PL. Some of his passes yesterday were so nicely weighted. He always gets the ball exactly where players want it. It's great to see.
People love watching the dribblers and those guys look better on TV, but Özil has managed to contribute more to our goals "without doing anything" in so many games than most other players in the PL have for their teams. It's hilarious to see the same old stereotypes being bandied about here. Someone even said he wasn't watching Arsenal players during the game and yet concluded that he didn't do much last night. Being involved in almost all our attacks isn't good enough even in low-scoring games. Not even sure what to say to these people.
It is quite humorous (if not frustrating) and has now, ironically, become a lazy argument.
Good post BTW, you're spot on.
In the Times. Poor Mesut.
That's the problem. Mesut gets a higher score than Santi, yet Santi is declared the best player. Weird.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...fielder-always-played-like-that-10104862.html
Scholes back tracking after his comments about Ozil, know people in this country probably the first time he had a proper look at him rather than viewing highlights.
He isn't a highlights player but his influence in our attacking is huge. When to switch attacks, pulling players out of position with clever runs and when to make the pass and when to hold onto it. Not the things that most fans will look out for. Not a coincidence we play a lot better when he is playing. When we beat City away some said we couldn't perform like that with Ozil in the team and that myth has been put to rest as well now.
Scholes back tracking after his comments about Ozil, know people in this country probably the first time he had a proper look at him rather than viewing highlights.
He isn't a highlights player but his influence in our attacking is huge. When to switch attacks, pulling players out of position with clever runs and when to make the pass and when to hold onto it. Not the things that most fans will look out for. Not a coincidence we play a lot better when he is playing. When we beat City away some said we couldn't perform like that with Ozil in the team and that myth has been put to rest as well now.
Myth has been put to rest because Valencia backpassed it to Welbeck?
Yes that is exactly what I said
So why has the myth been put to rest then?
And your win at City was down to City being crap. You played the same way at Spurs and got beaten deservedly.
And your win at City was down to City being crap. You played the same way at Spurs and got beaten deservedly.
That's not quite true. He made his name at Madrid because he would pop up at key times and play a great through pass for likes of Ronaldo. He was never someone like Iniesta who does not have great assist numbers but who helps his team dominate the central attacking area. If you were to ask German fans, I doubt anyone would claim that he was one of the key reasons they played well at the WC. For Arsenal too, he does make a difference when he plays but I don't agree that his inclusion is the reason behind any kind of form your team displays. Not to mention there can not be any question that he has not displayed his peak from Madrid at Arsenal yet, which 2 seasons in has to be a concern. Current Ozil may be an asset to Arsenal in some ways but not a 40m player who should be a key member of the team.
While he was at Madrid no one had any need to trot out bs about how he's not a highlights player or how he made clever runs or the best one "He's very good, you just can't see it". It was plainly obvious that he was good at Madrid, helped by playing in a team that was brimming with attacking talent and movement. You didn't need to be a footballing hipster to know he was a good player.
Now, if you question him, it's because he's not a highlights player and people just can't see it and how he has amazing and clever movement.
Now, if you question him, it's because he's not a highlights player and people just can't see it and how he has amazing and clever movement.
The myth that he wouldn't be able to play in a defensive manner and he showed against Man Utd he could.
Yes our City win was down to them being crap, beating you was down to your team being crap. Beating QPR was down to them being crap etc etc. As for the game against Spurs it was quite different because we gave the ball away a lot more cheaply and did not build attacks well, thus were pressed back.
I'm not saying that is all he does but now a days people think because he doesn't play the through balls he has become a bad player. He is far from it but he plays in a very different team now. But when he isn't doing that people do fail the recognize the impact he has on the team and our attacking play. Last season he didn't that many assists but a lot of Ramsey's form was thanks to what Ozil was doing, he was the one who would be pulling players out of position for Ramsey to exploit. Ramsey himself earlier this season commented on that but all people saw was Ramsey's energy and goals.
Put to rest for however long it was until you played Monaco, anyway. What was it? Two weeks?
Ozil is class, and starting to come back to form.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/mesut-ozil-alexis-sanchez-arsenal-premier-league/
An article Marcotti linked on twitter talks briefly about Ozil and what else he brings to our game.
Next week I think, that game will be quite different. I expect us to be on the front foot and them to be sitting deep so hopefully we won't get to see much of Ozil's defensive contribution!
An article Marcotti linked on twitter talks briefly about Ozil and what else he brings to our game.
Next week I think, that game will be quite different. I expect us to be on the front foot and them to be sitting deep so hopefully we won't get to see much of Ozil's defensive contribution!
He did nothing of the sort. Just shows how bad Ozil has been if the performance against United is considered a good one.
Nice strawman.
One of your former players seemed quite impressed by it, going back on his comments that he wouldn't want to play with him.
Was talking about the last time you played Monaco, which reinstated the "myth" that Arsenal can't play like they did against City with Ozil in the team. I mean, they can, but only against a woefully out of form City team (or one of the worst United teams this decade). Any top side in any kind of decent form will do what Monaco did to you.
Faint praise. He thought both Cazorla and Coquelin played better than him.
Funny article from Scholes. Mentions he was impressed by Ozil and completely ignores him for the rest of the article praising Arsenal as a team, Coq and Welbeck. Kinda sums it up. Apparently Ozil played well but no one can come up with any justification for that opinion other than "Normal fans don't notice what he does" crap.
Not that is matters what Scholes says.
Not that is matters what Scholes says.
The problem against Monaco was quite different actually, their first goal was a lucky deflection but the others were down to us being so high up the pitch and getting caught. Mertesacker was at fault for both of those goals, third goal was because we were pressing for an equaliser. We created more than enough chances in that game as well, Welbeck + Giroud missing near enough open goals.
The games against City + Utd we let the opposition have the ball and played on the counter, something we have not done well recently at all. We've not been able to play in that manner and mostly down to the type of players we have had. I think the addition of Coquelin has helped most in that regard. Against Man Utd your lot were like Bolton of a few years ago, long ball after long ball and it didn't really cause us that many issues. We've struggled against that tactic in the past but were able to cope just fine this time.
Also Monaco are not that good a team, we made them look a lot better than they actually are. We are most probably going out against them but I'd say any of the top 5 sides here would beat them comfortably.
I'll give him Coquelin but not Cazorla imo.