Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

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Still waiting for the meaning of talent, and how we know who has it more than the other.

Personally I know this bloke down the block who can AKKA 360 an orange or football (while on his back), no way both Ronaldos were/are more talented than this guy.
 
I would say R9 had more talent than both Messi and Cristiano, but this is all subjective.

Let's get this thread back on track!
 
Not sure what's about this thread. Here I was expecting some discussions on Cristiano Ronaldo's current form and antics while it has digressed into whether the original Ronaldo was better than the current one. Oh and Messi and Ronaldihno are also a part of it.

Something is amiss at Madrid and it is clearly affecting him. Is he not getting the superstar treatment that I believe he craves for. Oh and the Madrid supporters booing the golden ball winner? What is all that about?

Ronaldo, just pack up your bags and come over.
 
Proper Ronaldo is the second best player I've seen. He should've been right up there with Pele and Maradona. Such a shame...
 
[QUOTE="ivaldo, post: 17250314, member: 69879"]Messi and Ronaldo have taken football to another level, with an unprecedented level of commitment. They are both true legends.[/QUOTE]
this statement is correct, but does not stop me thing that Ronaldo is a prize cock.
 
It's interesting that it's usually the younger posters think Messi and Ronaldo have taken football to another level.

Then again those that grew up watching Ronaldo (9) or Maradona tend to think they were better.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
It's interesting that it's usually the younger posters think Messi and Ronaldo have taken football to another level.

Then again those that grew up watching Ronaldo (9) or Maradona tend to think they were better.
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Yep, world is usually generally biased towards present. And I am sure in 10-15 years time (maybe even in 5 years) especially younger ppl will argue that their time's leading players are better than Messi or C Ronaldo.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
It's interesting that it's usually the younger posters think Messi and Ronaldo have taken football to another level.

Then again those that grew up watching Ronaldo (9) or Maradona tend to think they were better.
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Personally, my opinions on these players aside, I do feel people don't take into account that both Messi and Ronaldo are in "super teams" that dominate their league year after year. Yes they play a huge part in them being super teams, but you do have to account for it. Simply stating goal tallies of them both as some factual indicator of superiority is silly.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Personally, my opinions on these players aside, I do feel people don't take into account that both Messi and Ronaldo are in "super teams" that dominate their league year after year. Yes they play a huge part in them being super teams, but you do have to account for it. Simply stating goal tallies of them both as some factual indicator of superiority is silly.
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I agree with what you are saying. Here is a look at the average number of goals scored per game and average number of points won per game by clubs during Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi and Maradona's time at each club.

Ronaldo (Brazil)
Barcelona
96/97 2.47 gpg 2.14 points per game

Inter

97/98 1.82 gpg 2.03 points per game

98/99 1.93 gpg 1.35 points per game

Real Madrid

02/03 2.26 gpg 2.05 points per game

03/04 1.89 gpg 1.84 points per game

04/05 1.86 gpg 2.11 points per game

05/06 1.84 gpg 1.84 points per game


Cristiano Ronaldo

Real Madrid

09/10 2.68 gpg 2.53 points per game

10/11 2.68 gpg 2.42 points per game

11/12 3.18 gpg 2.63 points per game

12/13 2.71 gpg 2.23 points per game

13/14 2.73 gpg 2.29 points per game

Messi
Barcelona

08/09 2.76 gpg 2.29 points per game

09/10 2.58 gpg 2.61 points per game

10/11 2.5 gpg 2.53 points per game

11/12 3.0 gpg 2.39 points per game

12/13 3.03 gpg 2.63 points per game

13/14 2.63 gpg 2.29 points per game

Maradona (just looking at the average goals scored by his team as there was only 2 points awarded back then for a win instead of three. This meant teams were more happy to settle for a draw and didn't push on like teams do today to get a goal and the win, making it more difficult for attackers).

Napoli

84/85 1.13 gpg

85/86 1.17 gpg

86/87 1.37 gpg

87/88 1.83 gpg

88/89 1.68 gpg

89/90 1.68 gpg

Overall these stats strongly back up the claim of how the big clubs are more dominant these days and that while it is by no means easy to score goals and pick up victories, it is not as difficult as it used to be. The vast difference in resources these days has seen to that. It also shows how difficult it was to score in Serie A back in the 80s. There as a season Maradona won the top scorer award with 15 goals. Compare that to the ridiculously high tallies Messi and Ronaldo finish with these days. It was a very tough league filled with top defenders and when you take into account that these great defenders were given more leeway than defenders are today in terms of putting in strong tackles, I am sure you could appreciate just how difficult it was for the attackers at the time.
 
Raul Madrid said:
I agree with what you are saying. Here is a look at the average number of goals scored per game and average number of points won per game by clubs during Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi and Maradona's time at each club.

Ronaldo (Brazil)
Barcelona
96/97 2.47 gpg 2.14 points per game

Inter

97/98 1.82 gpg 2.03 points per game

98/99 1.93 gpg 1.35 points per game

Real Madrid

02/03 2.26 gpg 2.05 points per game

03/04 1.89 gpg 1.84 points per game

04/05 1.86 gpg 2.11 points per game

05/06 1.84 gpg 1.84 points per game


Cristiano Ronaldo

Real Madrid

09/10 2.68 gpg 2.53 points per game

10/11 2.68 gpg 2.42 points per game

11/12 3.18 gpg 2.63 points per game

12/13 2.71 gpg 2.23 points per game

13/14 2.73 gpg 2.29 points per game

Messi
Barcelona

08/09 2.76 gpg 2.29 points per game

09/10 2.58 gpg 2.61 points per game

10/11 2.5 gpg 2.53 points per game

11/12 3.0 gpg 2.39 points per game

12/13 3.03 gpg 2.63 points per game

13/14 2.63 gpg 2.29 points per game

Maradona (just looking at the average goals scored by his team as there was only 2 points awarded back then for a win instead of three. This meant teams were more happy to settle for a draw and didn't push on like teams do today to get a goal and the win, making it more difficult for attackers).

Napoli

84/85 1.13 gpg

85/86 1.17 gpg

86/87 1.37 gpg

87/88 1.83 gpg

88/89 1.68 gpg

89/90 1.68 gpg

Overall these stats strongly back up the claim of how the big clubs are more dominant these days and that while it is by no means easy to score goals and pick up victories, it is not as difficult as it used to be. The vast difference in resources these days has seen to that. It also shows how difficult it was to score in Serie A back in the 80s. There as a season Maradona won the top scorer award with 15 goals. Compare that to the ridiculously high tallies Messi and Ronaldo finish with these days. It was a very tough league filled with top defenders and when you take into account that these great defenders were given more leeway than defenders are today in terms of putting in strong tackles, I am sure you could appreciate just how difficult it was for the attackers at the time.
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Thanks for that. It just shows how different the games were and how much harder it was to score. And that just claiming goal tallies as the the single measure of quality of performance is plain wrong.

I just feel these days there's far too much of an obsession with stats. There's other ways to contribute to games which people talk less and less about.
 
Raul Madrid said:
I agree with what you are saying. Here is a look at the average number of goals scored per game and average number of points won per game by clubs during Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi and Maradona's time at each club.

Ronaldo (Brazil)
Barcelona
96/97 2.47 gpg 2.14 points per game

Inter

97/98 1.82 gpg 2.03 points per game

98/99 1.93 gpg 1.35 points per game

Real Madrid

02/03 2.26 gpg 2.05 points per game

03/04 1.89 gpg 1.84 points per game

04/05 1.86 gpg 2.11 points per game

05/06 1.84 gpg 1.84 points per game


Cristiano Ronaldo

Real Madrid

09/10 2.68 gpg 2.53 points per game

10/11 2.68 gpg 2.42 points per game

11/12 3.18 gpg 2.63 points per game

12/13 2.71 gpg 2.23 points per game

13/14 2.73 gpg 2.29 points per game

Messi
Barcelona

08/09 2.76 gpg 2.29 points per game

09/10 2.58 gpg 2.61 points per game

10/11 2.5 gpg 2.53 points per game

11/12 3.0 gpg 2.39 points per game

12/13 3.03 gpg 2.63 points per game

13/14 2.63 gpg 2.29 points per game

Maradona (just looking at the average goals scored by his team as there was only 2 points awarded back then for a win instead of three. This meant teams were more happy to settle for a draw and didn't push on like teams do today to get a goal and the win, making it more difficult for attackers).

Napoli

84/85 1.13 gpg

85/86 1.17 gpg

86/87 1.37 gpg

87/88 1.83 gpg

88/89 1.68 gpg

89/90 1.68 gpg

Overall these stats strongly back up the claim of how the big clubs are more dominant these days and that while it is by no means easy to score goals and pick up victories, it is not as difficult as it used to be. The vast difference in resources these days has seen to that. It also shows how difficult it was to score in Serie A back in the 80s. There as a season Maradona won the top scorer award with 15 goals. Compare that to the ridiculously high tallies Messi and Ronaldo finish with these days. It was a very tough league filled with top defenders and when you take into account that these great defenders were given more leeway than defenders are today in terms of putting in strong tackles, I am sure you could appreciate just how difficult it was for the attackers at the time.
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Stats will never make football.
I'll take the goal vs Chelsea over 60 goals.
A pass off the back is worth ten goals. Something that makes you go wtf is worth a hattrick.
 
Did well to finish off that impressive team goal.
 
Marcosdeto said:
why was he subbed after he dived? did he injured himself? was there not enough water?
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It was because he scored. He doesn´t care about anything else after that.
 
Disappointing performance from Ronnie. He seems increasingly infatuated with his own stats over the welfare of the team.
 
Raoul said:
Disappointing performance from Ronnie. He seems increasingly infatuated with his own stats over the welfare of the team.
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He will probably fake that he is outraged with the result but in his inner self he is pleased because he scored against Barcelona :lol:
 
Sly said:
He will probably fake that he is outraged with the result but in his inner self he is pleased because he scored against Barcelona :lol:
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I honestly don't know whats going through his head these days. I'm fairly convinced he may seek out of Madrid this summer and is trying to pad his stats as much as possible before that.
 
Raoul said:
I honestly don't know whats going through his head these days. I'm fairly convinced he may seek out of Madrid this summer and is trying to pad his stats as much as possible before that.
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Not happening. The only other places he can score those many are barcelona and Bayern Munich and I doubt he's going to either.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Not happening. The only other places he can score those many are barcelona and Bayern Munich and I doubt he's going to either.
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He's definitely moving at some point. The situation in Madrid is going to get bumpier as time goes one and he's already accomplished all the trophies there, much as he did with us.
 
Raoul said:
I honestly don't know whats going through his head these days. I'm fairly convinced he may seek out of Madrid this summer and is trying to pad his stats as much as possible before that.
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Only god knows. Real Madrid´s fans aren´t as supportive as they were in the past but he loves living in Madrid and being part of the mediatic circus that it´s Real Madrid. We will have to wait to see if he puts any "like" on another club in his instagram page.
 
First time i watched him in a full 90 for quite some time.

Literally got a goal and stopped trying
 
Raoul said:
I honestly don't know whats going through his head these days. I'm fairly convinced he may seek out of Madrid this summer and is trying to pad his stats as much as possible before that.
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It does seem, at least, more likely that he'll be gone this summer. Not too many clubs that can afford him..
 
Raoul said:
He's definitely moving at some point. The situation in Madrid is going to get bumpier as time goes one and he's already accomplished all the trophies there, much as he did with us.
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He's only won one league and champions league in 6 seasons before this hasn't he? I'm sure he'll want more big trophies than that. He'll move at some point but I don't see why he'd leave soon. It would only be a step down.
 
Almost want to refuse calling him one of the best players in the world based on his performances since the ballon dor, he scores goals, fair enough but other than that he does nothing. Almost never beats the defender, cant see him making a brilliant pass/touch or anything whatsoever, just scoring and besides that it's nothing. Does he enjoy his football or just the amount of goals he has end of the season? He and Bale hold Real Madrid back in terms of play, eventually they score but it's a really difficult task for the midfielders.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Almost want to refuse calling him one of the best players in the world based on his performances since the ballon dor, he scores goals, fair enough but other than that he does nothing. Almost never beats the defender, cant see him making a brilliant pass/touch or anything whatsoever, just scoring and besides that it's nothing. Does he enjoy his football or just the amount of goals he has end of the season? He and Bale hold Real Madrid back in terms of play, eventually they score but it's a really difficult task for the midfielders.
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It's so weird. 06/07 Ronaldo used to make himself available and go to the ball. He wasn't s playmaker of course but he was so much more involved.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He's only won one league and champions league in 6 seasons before this hasn't he? I'm sure he'll want more big trophies than that. He'll move at some point but I don't see why he'd leave soon. It would only be a step down.
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Doubt it matters as long as he's one each trophy at least once.
 
SirAF said:
It does seem, at least, more likely that he'll be gone this summer. Not too many clubs that can afford him..
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It would probably be a pre-arranged inside deal where Ronnie would want to move to the buying club and the buying club were already in behind the scenes discussions to buy him (much as like Madrid did with us).
 
Like that matters. He probably values the Ballon D´Or wins more than anything :lol:
 
Raoul said:
Doubt it matters as long as he's one each trophy at least once.
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I doubt he'd have such a terrible attitude. He's a winner. He wants to be a champion again.

Raoul said:
It would probably be a pre-arranged inside deal where Ronnie would want to move to the buying club and the buying club were already in behind the scenes discussions to buy him (much as like Madrid did with us).
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Where would he move exactly? And why would madrid sell their goal machine while it's still working well?
 
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