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American Cops Doing What They Do Best
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Ugh, that video that Damien posted.
If the problem was only the cops... The whole system behind them is fecked up. That kid is still in jail for assault. How is it possible in a modern country that a 17 year old will be in jail (or juvenile detention, whatever) for months pending trial for what we've seen on that video?
There is also the fact that there were 8 cops on the scene and 5 assaulted him. They also tried to destroy evidence, from which I can conclude that they would all cover-up each other any way, if that video didn't exist and all the evidence on trial would be testimony. Who knows if that kid wouldn't have his life ruined at 17 with an americanly stupid conviction for assaulting cops? Stupid if it were true, as they're generally too harsh, even more abhorrent being false.
You really don't want to stereotype a whole group by some bad examples, but this is extremely grim-looking. These guys work in large teams and institutions, and yet there's no "self-policing" at all. No cop tries to stop the other cops, there were 8 there and they were all singing the same tune. It's authentically an institutionalized mob. It's no surprise every now and then you see the story of the guy that spent 30 years in jail and was then released and deemed innocent. How many are in there with planted evidence or made up testimony by cnuts like these? It puts a large part of the judicial system in question.
In a way, it can be as shocking as some of the shooting murderers. Possibly more, as it goes deeper than the random psycho with a gun and leads me to grimmer thoughts.
Quite the institution, when a 73 year old millionaire can pay to go play police & thieves and carry real weapons to the job.
Still doesn't justify the shooting of the man.
The last few videos posted here...holy fecking shit!
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-14/caught-tape-arizona-police-cruiser-runs-over-suspect-50-mph
Makes a change from shooting people, I suppose.
Makes a change from shooting people, I suppose.
To be fair, dude had a loaded gun and reportedly fired a shot in the air. Ironically this probably saved his life.
Glad that it was captured on camera.
Did he have the gun pointed under his own chin? As in, to look suicidal?
He did indeed. I guess the cop decided to help him along the way. Protect and serve.
By an outrageous stroke of good luck.
I have a friend who was part of an emergency response unit in Australia to counsel people threatening suicide. Strangely, they never did come up with running them over at high speed as the best solution.
That just proves Australians are pussies though.
It's almost like there are cops sitting around in stations all over the country and when one of these incidents hits the press their reaction is "how can we top that?".
Well I for one am looking forward to the footage of a pickpocket being taken out by a helicopter, flying upside down.
They are getting pretty creative, you have to give them that.
And then there´s this massive white elephant sitting in America´s living room. What with all the quotas, police funding for drug busts, temptation et al. People, especially in minority communities targeted in the "drug war," have been complaining about this for ages. Of course there are also those who are saying that this came afloat because they were targeting 'white college-boy, ... khaki-pants types' who were 'easy to intimidate'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...icer-says-stole-cash-planted-drugs-times.html
Former Philadelphia drug squad cop admits to taking cash and planting evidence for decades
A disgraced ex-police officer testifying against his drug squad colleagues acknowledged on Tuesday that he stole drug money, planted evidence and lied on police paperwork too many times to count.
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted 'white college-boy, ... khaki-pants types' who were 'easy to intimidate'.
That matches the description of some of the drug dealers who have testified in recent weeks in the federal police corruption trial.
The witnesses have said the squad stole as much as $80,000 at a time during illegal raids marked by threats and physical violence.
Walker, 46, said police brass applauded the drug squad because they made big arrests that made them look good.
Squad leader Thomas Liciardello, the lead defendant, 'produced big jobs, a lot of arrests,' he said.
'They liked that, as far as the bosses and supervisors were concerned. It made them look good. It was nothing but a dog and pony show. That's all it is,' Walker said.
Liciardello, he said, always got a cut of the money stolen or skimmed from drug suspects, while the others split the 'jobs' they worked, Walker said.
He said he first stole money as a uniformed patrolman when he chased a dealer into a house and spotted a large bag of cash on top of the refrigerator.
'I never saw that much money. I was a young kid,' Walker told jurors. 'I took some money, put it in my jacket pocket.'
Defense lawyers have attacked Walker's credibility and will no doubt point out on cross-examination the times he admits acting alone, even before he joined the elite undercover drug unit. He also said he developed a drinking problem and became forgetful.
Walker joined the department at about 20 and had nearly 24 years in when he was arrested in an FBI sting last year.
Before then, he had refused to cooperate when the FBI asked him to speak to them about the unit.
But he changed course after being caught in the sting, accused of stealing $15,000 and planting drugs in someone's car.
He has been in custody for nearly a year and hopes to avoid a life sentence through his testimony.
Walker said he once worked out of the same undercover squad car with Liciardello and Brian Reynolds but was turned out by those work friends as he went through a divorce, weight loss surgery and other personal problems.
More than 160 drug convictions have been overturned since Walker pleaded guilty, and scores of civil-rights lawsuits are pending against Walker and the defendants.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...icer-says-stole-cash-planted-drugs-times.html
Former Philadelphia drug squad cop admits to taking cash and planting evidence for decades
A disgraced ex-police officer testifying against his drug squad colleagues acknowledged on Tuesday that he stole drug money, planted evidence and lied on police paperwork too many times to count.
Jeffrey Walker told jurors that the Philadelphia Police Department drug squad targeted 'white college-boy, ... khaki-pants types' who were 'easy to intimidate'.
That matches the description of some of the drug dealers who have testified in recent weeks in the federal police corruption trial.
The witnesses have said the squad stole as much as $80,000 at a time during illegal raids marked by threats and physical violence.
Walker, 46, said police brass applauded the drug squad because they made big arrests that made them look good.
Squad leader Thomas Liciardello, the lead defendant, 'produced big jobs, a lot of arrests,' he said.
'They liked that, as far as the bosses and supervisors were concerned. It made them look good. It was nothing but a dog and pony show. That's all it is,' Walker said.
Liciardello, he said, always got a cut of the money stolen or skimmed from drug suspects, while the others split the 'jobs' they worked, Walker said.
He said he first stole money as a uniformed patrolman when he chased a dealer into a house and spotted a large bag of cash on top of the refrigerator.
'I never saw that much money. I was a young kid,' Walker told jurors. 'I took some money, put it in my jacket pocket.'
Defense lawyers have attacked Walker's credibility and will no doubt point out on cross-examination the times he admits acting alone, even before he joined the elite undercover drug unit. He also said he developed a drinking problem and became forgetful.
Walker joined the department at about 20 and had nearly 24 years in when he was arrested in an FBI sting last year.
Before then, he had refused to cooperate when the FBI asked him to speak to them about the unit.
But he changed course after being caught in the sting, accused of stealing $15,000 and planting drugs in someone's car.
He has been in custody for nearly a year and hopes to avoid a life sentence through his testimony.
Walker said he once worked out of the same undercover squad car with Liciardello and Brian Reynolds but was turned out by those work friends as he went through a divorce, weight loss surgery and other personal problems.
More than 160 drug convictions have been overturned since Walker pleaded guilty, and scores of civil-rights lawsuits are pending against Walker and the defendants.
"This shit is chess, it ain't checkers!"
i'll fight you
More criminal behaviour from a nation of criminals. Even your animals are criminals.
feckin kangaroos.
So dangerous, how could that cop know that he wouldnt hit an innocent bystander?
Or, you know, kill the guy he intentionally ran over?
We have established already that the safety of minority "suspects" isnt a factor.
I don't think they are comparable at all. A person at home contemplating suicide is a threat to himself. A person in public firing guns in air is a threat to general public. Who says, he won't go out in glory with a shooting spree that may leave many dead? This is a classic case of damned if you do, damned if you don't for the cops. If they wait for counsellors and he shoots at public...would you risk that?
So you're saying running him over at high speed was the only option they had?
They should judge the situation on its merits. A single shot fired in the air, followed by threats to shoot himself certainly doesn't justify what happened. Using your logic, anyone ever seen with any weapon in public should be immediately executed because, you know, just in case.
Ok, now that you've had time to analyse this post facto. What options do you come up with that can work in that timeframe? Imagine a man walking around firing a gun in the air...and you need to do something immediately. What would you do?
You're just presuming too much. All they know is that he fired a gun in public. Considering situation in America, that is enough to send pulses rising across. Is there any guarantee he would not take shots at others before shooting himself? Surely there are recent examples of that happening. All it shows is a man with suicidal tendencies and you're assuming he won't be a external threat. Isn't it more prudent to assume otherwise?
Have you actually watched the video?
The footage from the first cruiser shows that they were taking the sensible and reasonable route of following him, trying to talk him down and monitoring the situation.
These people are trained to de-escalate, not rush into snap decisions.
You make it sound like the guy was walking around firing off shots into the sky like a bad western.
I can't believe you're actually seemingly advocating what happened as the only choice.
Who knows, maybe I'd drive straight into another car? Good thing I'm not police and haven't been trained specifically for these scenarios, so I don't just lose my shit and react without thinking.
It's not like this guy was unloading into the air, he fired once, there were police cars following him at a close distance from both sides and he made no mentions about shooting anyone but himself. It's probably not prudent to just assume he was going to go out and shoot a load of people and therefore drive into him at 50mph. Watching the video, the officers who were closest and advising others certainly didn't look like they were about to run him over, they seemed to be judging the situation as it was unfolding and responding appropriately.
Considering it was shown multiple times in the news...yes, I did watch the video. Here's a quote from the Police chief. I do think there is a rationale behind the action. Just simply painting it as a case of bloodthirsty police is not fair.
If I had a suicidal (mentally unstable) guy, walking down with a loaded gun he already fired...I do not expect him to behave rationally. And if he is heading towards a populated area, there certainly is not time to 'get counsellors and deflate the situation'. I certainly find the solution to be detestable, but just can't think of anything better.
Let me qualify my response. I overall agree with the thread and most incidents mentioned before, just not this incident. There is a tendency to generalize and it kinda turns into a guilty until proven innocent bias...which I believe is the case with Pogue's comments.
That excuse about "heading to an area where there are hundreds of people" sounds like the worst kind of arse-covering. Fact is, he wasn't at that area yet and they had plenty of time to intervene beforehand. And by "intervene" I would expect something a bit more sophisticated than running him over in their fecking car. It's just an inexcusably reckless and stupid act.
Exactly, the footage from the second car shows him arriving on the scene behind the crawling cruiser that was already following the suspect and it basically looks like the driver just thought "ahh feck this" and mowed him down. It's absolutely insane.
Bingo. This isn't frigging Minority Report with death penalties.
Plenty of time, as in 5 or 10 mins? It's not like he's going to walk for 45 mins to reach there.
How can any American have any confidence in their police force?
I remember seeing a video of officers arresting a suspect. He was laying face down and had 2 officers on top of him cuffing him and he wasn't resisting at all.
So of course the police are still pointing guns at his face when there is no hope of him getting away and a shot accidently goes off and ricochets off the ground in front of his face.
I have seen far too many videos of American police being far too unprofessional and negligent to even want to step foot in that country.
Although the American cops who helped the drunk scouser get back to his hotel were very cool and professional so I guess their not all bad.
I remember seeing a video of officers arresting a suspect. He was laying face down and had 2 officers on top of him cuffing him and he wasn't resisting at all.
So of course the police are still pointing guns at his face when there is no hope of him getting away and a shot accidently goes off and ricochets off the ground in front of his face.
I have seen far too many videos of American police being far too unprofessional and negligent to even want to step foot in that country.
Although the American cops who helped the drunk scouser get back to his hotel were very cool and professional so I guess their not all bad.
There's plenty of examples of officers going beyond what they are required to do.
Yes, there's bad officers, who do stupid or criminal things. They should be charged with crimes when they have committed them. There's also good officers who want to help and make a difference.
http://ktla.com/2015/04/13/chp-offi...ash-in-santa-ana-alleged-dui-driver-arrested/
http://www.sanjoseinside.com/2014/06/19/sjpd-officers-good-deed-goes-beyond-the-call-of-duty/
http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/26809453/memphis-officer-goes-above-call-of-duty
http://www.local12.com/news/feature...o-help-family-in-need-wkrc.shtml#.VTHpEZM4LKc
http://www.talkituptv.com/san-fran-police-officers-call-duty/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Briggs
Well this is refreshing.
http://wgntv.com/2015/04/19/ohio-po...uspect-during-confrontation-caught-on-camera/
http://wgntv.com/2015/04/19/ohio-po...uspect-during-confrontation-caught-on-camera/
Sadly this is consistent with the narrative that cops are racist. Unarmed black guy with tail light out running away from cop is shot and killed, white (suspected) murderer charges cop and is unharmed.