I was thinking maybe they won't stab Jon at all in the show.
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I guess no. There is a ton of info in the books which isn't in the show, and then obviously there are inconsistencies between the two mediums, which means that again half of that thread will be Eboobs complaining and Cina banning people.
I guess the better way around is for those who only watch the show but want info from the books (which will be relatively safe cause there won't be spoilers after the show overtakes the books) can come and discuss here. Like Aldo is doing.
Anyway, there is still possibility that the next book will be released before the next season. Or at least, I hope so.
It probably wouldn't harm sales so I bet the publishers are pushing like mad for it... that said Mr Martin has never let a deadline get in the way of working at his own pace before
Okay, it's been a couple of years since I last read the books so I've got a few questions after yesterday's episode:
- Does Ser Barristan die in the books? I was quite certain he doesn't so why would they do it in the show?
- Does the 'love story' between Grey Worm and Missandei exist in the books? I thought not...
- Are they just going to cut the whole Jon Connington/Aegon Targaryen story in the show? That doesn't seem logical because I thought it will be a pretty big story in the upcoming books, otherwise Martin wouldn't have introduced it? And I thought it was Tyrion, not Jorah Mormont who got greyscale in the books thanks to the attack from the Stone Men when he was still sailing with Griff and Young Griff? Please help me out here because the show is getting me very confused.
- Does Ser Barristan die in the books? I was quite certain he doesn't so why would they do it in the show?
- Does the 'love story' between Grey Worm and Missandei exist in the books? I thought not...
- Are they just going to cut the whole Jon Connington/Aegon Targaryen story in the show? That doesn't seem logical because I thought it will be a pretty big story in the upcoming books, otherwise Martin wouldn't have introduced it? And I thought it was Tyrion, not Jorah Mormont who got greyscale in the books thanks to the attack from the Stone Men when he was still sailing with Griff and Young Griff? Please help me out here because the show is getting me very confused.
Didn't Tyrion stretch his fingers etc. every morning and was always relieved when he still has some feeling in them? Maybe he doesn't have greyscale but he's certainly afraid that he's got some disease from what I remember. Could be wrong though. Thanks for the other explanations, I think I might skip the sixth season if Winds of Winter isn't out by then.Revan said:
Tyrion fell into the Rhoyne and feared he might contract Greyscale which is why he checked his fingers daily. Don't think he has it though.
I put that down to him being nervous about contracting greyscale, rather than already having it. I haven't read the books in ages either though so I could be wrong.
Then you haven't paid attention. It's been clear from the first books that this is the story about a setting that had lost its magic and the events about how it returns.
Random things I liked:
1. Dinner with the Boltons
2. The contrast between Stannis' "you are my daughter" speech last week and Roose's "you are my son" speech this week.
3. Anything with Roose, basically.
4. Stannis correcting random guy's grammar.
5. Valyria/poem/dragon and the lead in to the Stone Men fight.
Random things I didn't like:
1. Barristan being dead.
2. This whole Missandei/Grey Worm thing they're pushing.
3. Brienne's scene with the innkeeper.
1. Dinner with the Boltons
2. The contrast between Stannis' "you are my daughter" speech last week and Roose's "you are my son" speech this week.
3. Anything with Roose, basically.
4. Stannis correcting random guy's grammar.
5. Valyria/poem/dragon and the lead in to the Stone Men fight.
Random things I didn't like:
1. Barristan being dead.
2. This whole Missandei/Grey Worm thing they're pushing.
3. Brienne's scene with the innkeeper.
Haven't watched the episode yet, but is the brilliant "Don't make rue the day I raped your mother" line in the show. Or is that a bit too brutal for the show?
Nope, Roose tells Ramsay about how he was conceived but that line isn't in it.
If they are trying to make Danny even a more self rigteous mental bitch then in the books, then I guess they have succedded.
'You're as fit as any person I know'. Truer words have never speaken. Btw, what is the point of Missandrei/Grey Worm platonic relationship?
Roose was brilliant. The closest thing to Tywin we have. Almost a Tywin-like.
It seems that it is almost sure that Mormont/Danny wll have also the roles of JonCon/Aegon.
Snow is definitely going to get stabbed by that little shit. But with Mel leaving with Stannis, things are getting a bit more complicated. On the books, we are all expecting her to resurrect Jon, but here she isn't at the Wall. So? Jon not getting stabbed, or Jon dying for good?
'You're as fit as any person I know'. Truer words have never speaken. Btw, what is the point of Missandrei/Grey Worm platonic relationship?
Roose was brilliant. The closest thing to Tywin we have. Almost a Tywin-like.
It seems that it is almost sure that Mormont/Danny wll have also the roles of JonCon/Aegon.
Snow is definitely going to get stabbed by that little shit. But with Mel leaving with Stannis, things are getting a bit more complicated. On the books, we are all expecting her to resurrect Jon, but here she isn't at the Wall. So? Jon not getting stabbed, or Jon dying for good?
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Wonder if Ramsey does marry Sansa, will they include the whole Reek/Theon getting her ready for him scene?
I don't mind that the show is changing so many things from the books, it just means that as the show pushes past the books we won't really have the books spoiled for us.
I wish. The ending will be the same, no doubt unless GRRM decides to change it up later in the books.
But it is not just the destination but the journey....and I think the journey is going to be enough different in the show
I reckon he's dead, way too cliche for anything else to happen. Plus he was doing far too well up at the wall, his death paves the way for the white walkers to finally break south, which has to be inevitable at some point? His last thoughts were of Ghost and we know he's a warg so my guess is he will roam as a four legged background character before jumping into a Dragon at the first opportunity.
Melisandre might say the words but that doesn't mean anything will happen, as Thoros says, that's up to the red god.
Valryia looked real great. I always thought the show was going to kill Jorah in the pits, I guess he'll just gradually go the way JonCon did.
Jon is one of my favorite characters but for some reason I would not mind if he died. Especially if the whole theory about his parentage is true and he is Azhor Ahai. It sounds strange but it would fit into the general theme of the story where the hero/good guy of the story who could have gone on and saved the realm, Ned/Rhaegar, ends up getting killed.
I'm envisioning a scenario where he is dead and without his leadership the Watch falls apart, the White Walkers invade and the one man who could have easily saved the kingdom is gone.
That probably won't happen though. A much more likely scenario is Jon gets revived,Dany ends up being the final villain of the story and opposes him (A song of Ice (Jon) and Fire (Dany). I think her storyline in Meereen is going to mirror how she will be received in Westeros. The reign of her father is still fresh in people's minds so its doubtful whether the entire kingdom will welcome her with open arms.
Well I too always thought that it would be a fitting end if the rulers of Westeros and their selfish power games would pave the way for the white walkers to extinct them. But I can't ever imagine Dany being some sort of villain. I mean how would that even work? Her character is one of the whitest in the book, she's almost a female version of Jon. The title could mean dozes of things, especially since it has been so long since the first book that we can't even be sure if GRRM knew how the thing would end when he started writing it - I .
The way he set it up Cersei's incompetence, vanity and false arrogance it would be only natural if the lords of Westeros would turn to someone better, half the realm already was in open rebellion, even when Tywin was pulling the strings and the Kingslayer had two hands. And with her free all the slaves attitude Dany probably already proved sufficiently that she's not a tyrant. There's also the prophecy about Cersei, which strongly points towards Dany ruling.
The way he set it up Cersei's incompetence, vanity and false arrogance it would be only natural if the lords of Westeros would turn to someone better, half the realm already was in open rebellion, even when Tywin was pulling the strings and the Kingslayer had two hands. And with her free all the slaves attitude Dany probably already proved sufficiently that she's not a tyrant. There's also the prophecy about Cersei, which strongly points towards Dany ruling.
The one that was shown in this season's opener? Though that was about Margery.
Always thought it would end up being one of the Stark girls myself.
Yeah, it won't be Margaery since that's the obvious one Cersei suspects. Daenerys or Sansa for me, probably Sansa.
Stannis seems to be gaining a lot of popularity in the show thread. Looks like they've really started getting the character right this season, thankfully.
I think it mainly depends on how his stabbing will work out in the books. If he dies, they'll kill him off in the show but if he lives or Melisandre resurrects him, his storyline will be too big and important to kill him in the show. I don't think he's dead so I doubt there'll be a stabbing given Melisandre has left with Stannis.
On the other hand, Jon being "killed" is really the only twist they have from the material they were given to work with. If they do it right it could put a nice gloss on this season...
Tyrions first sight of the dragon was the highlight for me here.
I actually like that the show is diverging from the books. It makes me pay more attention (I find myself no more waiting for this and that highlight to happen) and it would have been a mess trying to fit in what happened in the book. It also keeps Sansa on screen/in play.
I actually like that the show is diverging from the books. It makes me pay more attention (I find myself no more waiting for this and that highlight to happen) and it would have been a mess trying to fit in what happened in the book. It also keeps Sansa on screen/in play.
They've got nothing else in that part of the world. These two peoples are always near Dany so you need to make them relevant. It's also always in the show's interest to make characters involved so that it might cause the viewers to fear for their lives. Also to make Grey Worm more than a mindless commander. That line made the girls swoon and he's definitely a female favorite despite being a eunuch.
Even I was wet.
Comfortably the best episode of the season so far. I do like, that whilst they are cutting characters and shifting things around, they're still keeping lots of the important/good stuff from the books in there, just doing it with characters that are already in the show who have feck all use in the books anymore (Sansa > Jeyne, Jorah > JonCon).
That was probably the first time I've watched an episode where the material was very different to the books and not thought they writers were clueless without GRRM's material to guide them.
That was probably the first time I've watched an episode where the material was very different to the books and not thought they writers were clueless without GRRM's material to guide them.
I don't mind this but I loved the idea that Aegon was still alive in the books. Disappointed that they've cut that.
Nice little nod to show 'magic' is really back in the world and that things are getting serious, especially with the backdrop of Valryia.
Apparently there are trailer images where you can see how Melisandre, Selyse and Shireen turn back to Castle Black after they've started to march with Stannis. Might be because all the snowfall is too heavy or something like that, but this looks like maybe Jon's stabbing will be in the show after all. Or at least it's a possibility again.
Seeing as they're talking about it in the other thread....
What's gonna happen with Stannis and the Boltons?
What's gonna happen with Stannis and the Boltons?
I've not read the books in a while, can anyone fill me in on the main plot differences between the series and books in season 5?
If I had to guess - they'll build up the battle right until it's about to begin, or maybe the night before. Then there will be a cunning ambush of some sort by the Boltons from which Stannis and Davos will somehow escape but will be declared dead, similar to the Stark kids.
Mance Rayder appears to have died at his execution by fire (no glamour-based magic saving him).
Barristan Selmy is also confirmed dead.
Bronn and Jamie have gone to Dorne to rescue Melisandre rather than ... whoever it was from the Kingsguard that was sent instead.
Sansa, not Jeyne Poole as Arya, has been married to Ramsay Bolton. Podrick and Brienne are attempting a rescue (for that matter, Lady Stoneheart is gone).
Aegon does not exist, nor does Jon Connington.
Therefore, Jorah Mormont is the one who gets infected with greyscale instead. He is currently en route to Meereen with Tyrion (the entire captured as slaves subplot is removed).
Loras Tyrell is not injured attacking Dragonstone but has been captured by the ISIS-like Faith Militant and will probably be put on trial next episode.
Jon Snow will go to Hardhome along with Tormund to collect wildlings there.
Pretty sure I'm missing a lot more but that's the big ones.