Yeah just really badly burned.
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Is it true that Danaerys loses her hair in the fighting pit when Drogon rains fire on her?
Not sure I am ready for a bald Emilia Clarke.
Not sure I am ready for a bald Emilia Clarke.
Is it true that Danaerys loses her hair in the fighting pit when Drogon rains fire on her?
Not sure I am ready for a bald Emilia Clarke.
She should have lost her hair when the dragons were born as well. I wouldn't worry too much...
Yeah, you are right. Phew.
If they do that scene right, and the show's production is usually good, it could be visually stunning.
If they do that scene right, and the show's production is usually good, it could be visually stunning.
No she shouldn't, she was unharmed because of the bloodmagic by Mirri Maz Duur, at least that's what GRRM said in interviews.
But she spend the whole night in the flames, which is why she lost her clothes, similarly her hair should have been burnt.
I'm fairly sure she lost her hair in that scene in the books.
Don't have the books on me but I thought her hair got burned as well when the eggs hatched? Could be wrong though, just thought the show didn't opt for it because her hair is what symbolizes her in some way or another and it was still early days back then...
There could be other explanations: dragonfire possesses some kind of magic as well, that's why she didn't get burned. Her hands were burnt when she pulled the glowing spear out of Drogon's back though, so she's certainly not fully immune to fire indeed. Another theory is that she might be the new Azor Ahai and that's why she's partly immune to it. Don't know, maybe we'll find out in WoW.
Oh yeah, looks like I was contradicting myself. Maybe it's only her body that's immune to fair, dunno.
Yeah, that;s what we were talking about, it wasn't shown in the show (thank god for that).
If Snow is gone then she's the best bet to be AA, true.
That's a weaker explanation than I had hoped for, unless Martin is intentionally not giving all the details. "One off magical event for an unknown reason"? C'mon.
Hmm, I'm still not convinced. She was caught by dragonfire, hot enough to burn her hair away, yet she was still able to climb on Drogon's back and fly away. Besides, Martin says in the same interview you quoted that it was never the case that all Targaryens are immune to all fire at all times, that's a very suspicious quote, imo.
Pretty sure Dany is captain of Team Fire, so R'hllor probably gave her 1 do not get burnted card.
Aye, I think Martin has deliberately not given it away there.
Theres been a few occasions when shes shown some immunity or resistance to fire and heat.
When the dragons were still eggs she threw them on a fire and could pick them up without getting burned.
Maybe the targaryens aren't immune to fire but she seems to be
When the dragons were still eggs she threw them on a fire and could pick them up without getting burned.
Maybe the targaryens aren't immune to fire but she seems to be
Yeah GRRM's said explicitly that she's not immune to fire in the books. But whatever he's coming up with to explain that was clearly deemed too complicated for the show (probably right imo) and the show is shaping up to have her totally fireproof. 3 incidents prove this: the one with the eggs in the fire, the comment about how Viserys couldn't have been the dragon due to dragons being fireproof *cue brooding look* and her survival of the Maz Duur bonfire make this explicit.
I would guess that they simply show her slightly singed but essentially unharmed after her run-in with Drogon, probably with hair still intact even.
All 3 of them happened in the books too.
Though shes gotten burned on occasion too so ...
Who knows, I guess he'll be a bit more explicit at a later point maybe
Though shes gotten burned on occasion too so ...
Who knows, I guess he'll be a bit more explicit at a later point maybe
I don't think there will be any particular explanation for it. It's probably just a way for her to stand out a bit, similar to all the Stark kids being wargs.
Did the bit with the eggs in the hot coals occur in the books? Can't remember. Either way, the TV version is very much show, not tell when it comes to these things. There's no scope for nuance as opposed to the book: if we're repeatedly shown scenes implying she's fireproof, she's very likely to be.
Yeah it did.
Its a bit wishy washy in the book. One minute shes fireproof, the next not. I'd be disappointed if GRRM doesn't clear it up a bit.
GRRM should have simply clarified that they are fire proof. Targaryens were the only house of the 40 dragonlord houses of Valyria that survived the Doom, weren't they? So obviously they had some sort of bloodline trait that protected them.
That would have led to some contradictions. A Targaryen king died in the fire of Summerhall, for example.
I thought they survived because the left before the doom came?
Wtf is the Doom of Valyria anyway?
Wasn't aware of that, cheers.
Something akin to dinosaur extinction, I'd like to believe.
Sounded like a volcano in the show.
Yup, almost certain the poem they were reading is based on an actual one about Pompeii. The motif of the lovers hugging to avoid having to see the eruption is one I've definitely heard somewhere else before.
Actually read up on it on a wiki.
Apparently every mountain in the area erupted into a volcano spitting ash and fire miles into the air. There was a tidal wave wiping out a city and earthquakes separating the land into different islands creating the smoking sea.
So a bit more dramatic than a volcano or Pompeii. Apparently Atlantis was an inspiration
The targaryens left valyria and settled on dragonstone about a century before after Daenys the Dreamer had a vision of the doom and convinced her father to leave.
Apparently every mountain in the area erupted into a volcano spitting ash and fire miles into the air. There was a tidal wave wiping out a city and earthquakes separating the land into different islands creating the smoking sea.
So a bit more dramatic than a volcano or Pompeii. Apparently Atlantis was an inspiration
The targaryens left valyria and settled on dragonstone about a century before after Daenys the Dreamer had a vision of the doom and convinced her father to leave.
Hmm, I've read them all, but can literally remember less than one eight of what I've read.
If the next one ever comes out I'm going to have to find a refresher course.
If the next one ever comes out I'm going to have to find a refresher course.
Weird episode, in that I thought some parts of it were excellent, while some stuff was terrible.
Enjoyed the parts with Tyrion and Jorah - the call back to Jorah's father was effective. Iain Glen's a good actor. Managed to sell finding out about the death of his father in a way that wasn't overacted, but still let you know he was disappointed.
The stuff in KL was mixed. Olenna's a good character who added to the scenes, but Cersei's been a bit disappointing: she's been nowhere near as mental or unhinged as she was in the books. Granted, it's hard to convey it when a lot of it was internal dialogue, but stuff like her obsession with Wildfire that started to grow, and the struggle between her and Margaery for Tommen is kind of lost. Plus, Loras has gone from being a strong character in the books who is a fierce warrior and happens to be gay, to gay character No#1. Or No#2 if Renly is number one. Or Oberyn...
The Winterfell scenes were generally very good - the rape scene was fecking disturbing, and Theon's arc seems to be in full swing. Ramsay's an effective villain this season too. Hopefully Sansa isn't just portrayed as a helpless victim after it though, and manages to grow as a character since that's where she's been headed.
The Dorne stuff was woeful though. The sand snakes are genuinely awful: they can't act, and they've been given atrocious dialogue. They were shite characters in the books who have been made into shiter characters in the show, which is a shame, since Dorne had potential if they'd done it right. Jaime's one of the best characters in the books and his AFFC stuff was brilliant, but they've kinda ruined him. He's completely pointless on the show, doesn't seem to have much of a character arc, and was a bit of an idiot since his marching into Dorne with the Dorne-dressing stuff on was the equivalent of David Cameron trying to successful infiltrate ISIS because he dresses like them.
Enjoyed the parts with Tyrion and Jorah - the call back to Jorah's father was effective. Iain Glen's a good actor. Managed to sell finding out about the death of his father in a way that wasn't overacted, but still let you know he was disappointed.
The stuff in KL was mixed. Olenna's a good character who added to the scenes, but Cersei's been a bit disappointing: she's been nowhere near as mental or unhinged as she was in the books. Granted, it's hard to convey it when a lot of it was internal dialogue, but stuff like her obsession with Wildfire that started to grow, and the struggle between her and Margaery for Tommen is kind of lost. Plus, Loras has gone from being a strong character in the books who is a fierce warrior and happens to be gay, to gay character No#1. Or No#2 if Renly is number one. Or Oberyn...
The Winterfell scenes were generally very good - the rape scene was fecking disturbing, and Theon's arc seems to be in full swing. Ramsay's an effective villain this season too. Hopefully Sansa isn't just portrayed as a helpless victim after it though, and manages to grow as a character since that's where she's been headed.
The Dorne stuff was woeful though. The sand snakes are genuinely awful: they can't act, and they've been given atrocious dialogue. They were shite characters in the books who have been made into shiter characters in the show, which is a shame, since Dorne had potential if they'd done it right. Jaime's one of the best characters in the books and his AFFC stuff was brilliant, but they've kinda ruined him. He's completely pointless on the show, doesn't seem to have much of a character arc, and was a bit of an idiot since his marching into Dorne with the Dorne-dressing stuff on was the equivalent of David Cameron trying to successful infiltrate ISIS because he dresses like them.
One of them won an oscar and was quite good in the almighty johnsons (new zealand tv show, was quite good).
Think its just crap dialogue. Haven't exactly been given much of an opportunity to sell their character anyway.
Anyway they should be gone now, they spend the rest of the book locked up in a tower.
Ah, found it. It wasn't a poem, it was an actual couple they found still holding on to each other when they dug up the ruins of Pompeii. Really evocative and the poem was excellently done.
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You couldn't be more right. Kill him, or Bronn. Get us on the edge of our seats again. We didn't sign up to watch Rush Hour: Dorne. The audience has to have skin in the game.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/66850375689494057/
You couldn't be more right. Kill him, or Bronn. Get us on the edge of our seats again. We didn't sign up to watch Rush Hour: Dorne. The audience has to have skin in the game.
And now is a dead man. He'll be killed off in the next episode or so.There does seem to be less of foreign language with subtitles this season.
I like that, Danaerys is better when talking in Valyrian.
Oh and Bronn.Easily the best character remaining from entertainment point of view.
"Oh for feck's sake" had me in stitches.
I feel like they already are. I don't find the show exciting and I'm not on the edges waiting for the next episode.
The show doesn't have much story anymore. It's not #TeamStark and the battle of the queens. To me they've taken an entire world and limited it to about 10 people. So much other interesting stuff already written for them and it's not used.
I kind of agree. It's hard to judge though because as book readers we were always going to compare and contrast to the more in depth nature of the literature. I was hoping it would be the Battlestar Gallactica of the fantasy genre but in catering to the fans i think they've dumbed down. Might be a better financial decision .
Don't think it's just us. Look at the TV thread. People are highly disappointing with the episode and understandably so.
AN sums it up nicely.
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I'm also questioning the timeline. They're not syncing well. How long had Tyrion and Jorah been without food? Feels like maybe a day. Littlefinger is however already in King's Landing having only left Winterfell in the last episode. Also, how rubbish is Cercei's spynet? How can Littlefinger travel to Winterfell and back again without anyone knowing?
It's especially disappointing because they had all the storylines and resources available to make something truly special out of it. For example, I would've loved to see more of the Reach/the Stormlands and that was perfectly possible if they hadn't cut out the Iron Islands. They also act like the Riverlands don't exist anymore, whereas it could've been a very cool arc for the rejuvenated Jaime alongside the Blackfish and Edmure at Rivverun. There is so much going on in Westeros, total chaos if you will, but they only show a little part of it. I know it's very difficult to show the full story when it's so extensive but it feels like they're just riding the hype and know they can do what they want with the show.
It's a bit puzzling tbh. The general consensus has been that the Jaime in Riverlands chapters are some of the best chapters in the series (IMO only the reek chapters manage to upstage it). And they really should have had the Freys and the rest of the Northern Lords at Winterfell. The tension and hatred at Winterfell between the Freys and rest is missing completely. Manderley winding up the Freys is probably one of my favourite moments in the series. It's just Ramsay being a cnut and we've already had that for 2 seasons so gets a bit boring.
It's funny seeing people's reactions in the TV Show thread... part of me wants to take a ban hit and post in the thread that you lot wouldn't stand a chance reading the fifth book if you think THIS is moving slowly ;P
I doubt any of the cut storylines would be faring much better given the standard of writing this season. It's the dialogue, not the plotting that's been so poor. It's hard to guage what would go down well with non-book readers. Arya's plot is a highlight of the later books, and the show is doing a decent job of adapting it in my opinion, but the consensus in the other thread is that it's shite.
Jaime in the Riverlands, iron islands, etc, I don't think they'd have made this season better.
Jaime in the Riverlands, iron islands, etc, I don't think they'd have made this season better.