De Gea Contract Situation

Do you think David De Gea will sign a new contract at Man Utd this season?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Yes, but he'll still leave by the end of the season

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Getsme said:
How would it?
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You'd think most of our players are ambitious and want to win trophies. That's why they joined us in the first place. We haven't won anything in two years, and there is no guarantee we will be a force in Europe anytime soon. I would think DDG is unhappy with his situation at the moment. Moving to Real would mean moving to a more competitive (Benitez, I know) club, with his family/gf, his home country etc. Top players always have clubs interested in them, and they know that one day they might want to leave too if we are unable to stay competitive. If we refuse DDG to leave it would send a signal that they might be refused to leave in the future as well.

The same could happen with potential signings. I would think a player is less likely to want to join a club that refuses to let players leave if they are unhappy with their situation.

The fact that we are not getting a fair deal for DDG sucks, but it's our own fault for a) not staying competetive with the best clubs and b) not giving him a new contract earlier.
 
Hostekule said:
Because it's highly unprofessional and would send a bad signal not only to our own players, but to the rest of the world. DDG has acted professionally in this situation, and so should we as a club.
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Demanding that someone honours an obligation they've agreed to is unprofessional? I don't think so.

Edit: I saw your answer above to a similar question. Nevertheless, I would still stand up to Real.
 
Walrus said:
I think with hindsight you can say that, but you look back to the summer when we signed him, he was not first choice for the vast majority of fans, and many had barely even heard of him.
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People say that but from what I recall he had a lot of support from the fans, especially if you compare his bad run to Young's or Fellaini's. He was a very hot talent and in that regard him and cortwa aren't much different.
 
El-Manos said:
Even Suarez signed a new contract at Liverpool before feckin off:(
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Yea exactly, and CR7, atleast with both players they made sure both clubs had a good fee. DDG could had stayed this year, signed a contract and fecked off next summer
 
Moriarty said:
Demanding that someone honours an obligation they've agreed to is unprofessional? I don't think so.

Edit: I saw your answer above to a similar question. Nevertheless, I would still stand up to Real.
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We are doing that though, aren't we? It seems we are trying to get a player from them in order for the deal to go through.
 
Hostekule said:
How often are contracts honoured in football? Let's not talk about it as if it's some knighthood shit.
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Atleast DDG could have put united in a good position to pick and choose what fee he is worth, so United get a return on the gamble they payed off in 2011, not almost screw United over with a pathetic 18 to 22 million pounds, we will get for him. Which makes what we get back, hardly any profit

If DDG is Spanish number 1, his fee should deserve that, considering how much English players cost. A Spanish number 1 should be a premium price, not peanuts
 
Oneunited26 said:
Atleast DDG could have put united in a good position to pick and choose what fee is most fit, not almost screw United over with a pathetic 18 to 22 million pounds, we will get for him
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Maybe, but it's not as if we are in desperate need of money. I'd think LvG is a lot more worried about the fact that we are losing the best keeper in the world than us not getting an extra 25 million for him.
 
Oneunited26 said:
Atleast DDG could have put united in a good position to pick and choose what fee he is worth, so United get a return on the gamble they payed off in 2011, not almost screw United over with a pathetic 18 to 22 million pounds, we will get for him. Which makes what we get back, hardly any profit

If DDG is Spanish number 1, his fee should deserve that, considering how much English players cost. A Spanish number 1 should be a premium price, not peanuts
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You see, if the stories are true I don't want him to wear United's shirt again and I don't want to see him when the season begin. We should sell him for as much as we can and turn the page.
 
Mockney said:
It does seem like talent is increasingly pooling toward Real & Barca. More so than I can remember previously. Any big name that reaches the very top level seems inevitably destined for one or the other.

I suppose many English clubs would feel the same about us over the last couple decades, so I can't complain too much. The career ambition ladder does seem to be pyramiding more and more towards them though. For all our global prowess they've got the jump on us.
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Lovely weather, hot birds and vice-versa.
 
shamans said:
People say that but from what I recall he had a lot of support from the fans, especially if you compare his bad run to Young's or Fellaini's. He was a very hot talent and in that regard him and cortwa aren't much different.
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I didnt say that he didnt have support, simply that I dont think he was as universally highly rated as you are making out - everyone knew we were in the market for a keeper that summer of course, but De Gea was only one of several names being touted and it was a bit of a surprsie that he was the one we went with in the end.
 
Hostekule said:
Because it's highly unprofessional and would send a bad signal not only to our own players, but to the rest of the world. DDG has acted professionally in this situation, and so should we as a club.
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No it's not. Honoring a contract and working within the bounds of that contract is the height of professionalism. Not honoring a contract and demanding a move while under contract would be unprofessional.
 
Hostekule said:
Maybe, but it's not as if we are in desperate need of money. I'd think LvG is a lot more worried about the fact that we are losing the best keeper in the world than us not getting an extra 25 million for him.
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We are still a business, and when ever our best players are up for grabs, a 35 million pound fee is very nice to have.
 
Oneunited26 said:
Atleast DDG could have put united in a good position to pick and choose what fee he is worth, so United get a return on the gamble they payed off in 2011, not almost screw United over with a pathetic 18 to 22 million pounds, we will get for him. Which makes what we get back, hardly any profit

If DDG is Spanish number 1, his fee should deserve that, considering how much English players cost. A Spanish number 1 should be a premium price, not peanuts
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The stronger position he puts us in the weaker he makes his own negotiation position with RM
 
Oneunited26 said:
We are still a business, and when ever our best players are up for grabs, a 35 million pound fee is very nice to have.
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Exactly. United has huge overheads, a debt still to be paid off, and trying to ensure that we stay competitive (financial wise) with the 'oil clubs' - who have more freedom than us to spend as they like. We don't have a bottomless pit of money. A good fee for De Gea is welcome, but if Madrid intend to give us pittance then I don't think it's worth it. He may make a save in the Champions league qualifier that means we win the game and end up with £50M? for entering that competition proper plus any other incentives that might arise from our sponsors for getting to that stage.
 
Oneunited26 said:
Atleast DDG could have put united in a good position to pick and choose what fee he is worth, so United get a return on the gamble they payed off in 2011, not almost screw United over with a pathetic 18 to 22 million pounds, we will get for him. Which makes what we get back, hardly any profit

If DDG is Spanish number 1, his fee should deserve that, considering how much English players cost. A Spanish number 1 should be a premium price, not peanuts
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I think his agent was advising him and calling the shots on that one.
 
all this about him wanting to go home is fine. the idea that it's not about getting more money in his contract with RM due to the low fee is bullshit. the biter did it for the dippers. DDG could for united. it's all about the money. as i posted before , if it wasn't the money and he wanted to go home he'd sign for his boyhood club. play hardball , tell him sign a new deal with a higher release clause or your staying another year.
 
mu77 said:
all this about him wanting to go home is fine. the idea that it's not about getting more money in his contract with RM due to the low fee is bullshit. the biter did it for the dippers. DDG could for united. it's all about the money. as i posted before , if it wasn't the money and he wanted to go home he'd sign for his boyhood club. play hardball , tell him sign a new deal with a higher release clause or your staying another year.
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You can post it as many times as you like (and it seems you're going to) but it won't make it true.

If it was about money he'd stay here, we'll put much more of it on the table than Real will.

As for "if it wasn't about money he'd go back to Athletic" that's just daft. Real have much more prestige and can give him the opportunity to win trophies.

He's got the opportunity to go back to his home town and at the same time play for Real Madrid who, whether we like it or not, are a bigger club than us to most European players.

It's not about money.
 
Mockney said:
Naturally, but that was still the case 10-20 years ago. It just seems to be pooling more drastically these days. Maybe I'm imagining it.
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I think you’ve got a decent point there, to be fair. I wonder if the sort of decline we’ve seen within Italian football is partly responsible it.

Serie A has often been one of the biggest leagues out there, and while Juventus have an excellent team that did superbly to reach the CL final, the league definitely hasn’t been as formidable as it once was for a few years now.

In particular, you’ve got the decline of AC Milan and Inter. Back when Juve and AC Milan were in the final together in 2003, I’m not sure that players would’ve been leaving either for the Spanish big two and seeing it as a step up. Now, it’s a definitive step up from AC Milan, and would still be viewed as a step up from Juventus despite their CL exploits.

I think the only other club with an arguably similar pulling power is Bayern, although the Spanish big two probably still beat them out.
 
I can't believe it but... I just changed to a No vote :(

Seems inevitable now. Just hope we buy another young, promising keeper to contend with Valdes. That's how I'd prefer it, anyway. Similar to how De Gea started at United really, except Lindegaard wasn't exactly Valdes.
 
Hostekule said:
You'd think most of our players are ambitious and want to win trophies. That's why they joined us in the first place. We haven't won anything in two years, and there is no guarantee we will be a force in Europe anytime soon. I would think DDG is unhappy with his situation at the moment. Moving to Real would mean moving to a more competitive (Benitez, I know) club, with his family/gf, his home country etc. Top players always have clubs interested in them, and they know that one day they might want to leave too if we are unable to stay competitive. If we refuse DDG to leave it would send a signal that they might be refused to leave in the future as well.

The same could happen with potential signings. I would think a player is less likely to want to join a club that refuses to let players leave if they are unhappy with their situation.

The fact that we are not getting a fair deal for DDG sucks, but it's our own fault for a) not staying competetive with the best clubs and b) not giving him a new contract earlier.
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But our being nice hasn't stopped players who want to leave from leaving. It just means we get disingenuous non-celebrations when they score upon returning to Old Trafford. As for potential signings, money is what will be the difference between accepting or refusing an offer from United.

Personally, I feel DDG is entitled to do whatever he wants (such is life,) but given the faith shown in him during his early troubles, United fans will be well within their rights to let him have should he return to Old Trafford one day; furthermore, the team is well within its rights to keep him to his contract, given how it supported him during his first two years.

I'm getting to the point where I'd just like it to be over, so we can move on with finding a replacement (or put our faith in Valdes and give him the necessary preparation to be our number one.)
 
shamans said:
I agree with most of this post but we really didn't take a "chance on De Gea". The kid was probably the best upcoming goal keeper at the time. Buying a proven talent like that is far from "chance".
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Of course it is. Talent doesn't always pan out and buying a young player for a high pressure gig like the goalkeeper of Manchester United with no alternatives is always going to be a bit of a risk. Can you think of many big clubs taking a chance like that with a player that's not HG?
 
Speak said:
He's showing loyalty to himself. That's about it. He's happy because his only real interest is in playing. If Chelsea weren't ready to play him, he was ready to leave. He's absolutely not doing (or done) Chelsea any favours.
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Of course, his professional situation is ideal, but then so is De Gea's at Utd. I suppose you can look at this as De Gea simply doing everything possible to get a move to his hometown, but the way he's running down his contract is still a bit unusual, and that's what I'm comparing to Courtois — when he had no need to, in September of this year, he signed an extension with Chelsea, when he could quite easily have decided to test them out for a year, raise his profile and see if Real/Barça came knocking.
 
Timdbro said:
You've pointed out all the differences in the situations, but I still don't understand your point (unless it's simply that they're incomparable so there's nothing you can say about it at all).

My point is simple - Courtois was willing to extend his contract with Chelsea and shun all possible suitors, after they'd loaned him out for three seasons. Meanwhile, De Gea, who Man Utd had a much larger hand in developing than Chelsea with Courtois, is not willing to extend his contract with the goal of staying or even of ensuring the club get a proper fee (which, as pointed out by others, is fairly standard practice). I'm not saying there isn't a reason in this individual case (there's aren't any clubs in Belgium on the level of Chelsea), but it's almost like Courtois is more keen to show loyalty (he even gave the standard "I'm happy here" interviews last month) or something than De Gea. More generally, I can't really remember too many Chelsea players running down their contracts in order to make it easier to move to Real/Barça, though it could just be bad memory.
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My point is that Courtois isn't in any way showing more loyalty. I've been pretty clear on that. He returned to Chelsea under Mourinho with the fact that he was going to be first choice replacing Mourinho. Also, what club was bidding on him asides from possibly Atlético? Why would he jump ship for them? He was loaned there and got all he could have hoped from his time there. Leaving Chelsea would make no sense at all.

De Gea joined United when SAF was here. For 2 years he's been playing with a broken defense in front of him under two different managers. Regarding his family and personal situation it makes a whole lot of sense to move back to his home town for a better team. It won't be a money move, it will be a personal one if it does happen.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
How the feck do they see a 73 mil price tag on Courtois and then turn around and bid 22 mil for De Gea. Its like they know United will bend over backwards and let them violate us while Chelsea would punch them in the nuts.
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Courtois - From Belgium, most likely not a Madrid fan, under a new contract, in a title winning team.
De Gea - From Spain + Madrid, grew up watching Spainish football that Madrid dominated, 1 year left on his deal, in a progressing team.
 
Imagine if it was the other way around and we were the Madrid fans.

"Another day, still nothing! Does he even want to come here? He's never said anything about wanting to join us! feck him! Let him rot in the united reserves for a year!"
 
Walrus said:
I didnt say that he didnt have support, simply that I dont think he was as universally highly rated as you are making out - everyone knew we were in the market for a keeper that summer of course, but De Gea was only one of several names being touted and it was a bit of a surprsie that he was the one we went with in the end.
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I guess we can disagree on that because from what I remember, after the initial speculation it was understood that De Gea will be the one and everyone was happy we were signing a red hot talent. He was rated very highly in all the discussions I had with my friends at the time.

Snow said:
Of course it is. Talent doesn't always pan out and buying a young player for a high pressure gig like the goalkeeper of Manchester United with no alternatives is always going to be a bit of a risk. Can you think of many big clubs taking a chance like that with a player that's not HG?
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It's as much of a "chance" as Nemyar to Barcelona or Cortwa to Chelsea.
 
Oneunited26 said:
Atleast DDG could have put united in a good position to pick and choose what fee he is worth
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You act like if he was on a long term contract, we would sell him at his request, no questions asked. We wouldn't. We don't deal with release clauses in our players contracts either. He'd have to kick up a major fuss and claim to be a slave for a year or more to get a chance of leaving us (see Ronaldo).

Signing a new deal right now would be unheard of. It would majorly piss off his new employers. The only example I can think of, of a player signing a contract purely to get his club a big fee would be Suarez signing a new deal halfway through last season, but again he managed to get a release clause in his contract and it's possible he wasn't dead set on forcing a move that summer at the time he signed the contract.

Oneunited26 said:
Did not stop Ronaldo getting what he wanted, same with Suarez and they signed new contracts
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Ronaldo signed his last contract in early 2007, over a year before he first asked to leave and over 2 years before he actually left.
 
shamans said:
I guess we can disagree on that because from what I remember, after the initial speculation it was understood that De Gea will be the one and everyone was happy we were signing a red hot talent. He was rated very highly in all the discussions I had with my friends at the time.



It's as much of a "chance" as Nemyar to Barcelona or Cortwa to Chelsea.
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No it isn't. With a goalkeeper it's different. Chelsea didn't take a chance. He got to grow at a different club. Atlético were the ones that took the chance.
 
I think we look bad both ways. Even we keep De Gea till his contract runs down, he'll leave for Madrid. If we sell him, I don't think it'd be for a big sum. We'll look weak both ways because we actually are. Post Fergie, post the disaster that was Moyes, the fact that De Gea has only a year left on his contract, and the fact that we'll be losing our best performing player again to bloody Madrid. It's just the way things are at the moment.

I hope this will be a line in the sand for the club. Limit the times we have to deal with that prick Mendes, and stop buying players who don't suit the culture of the club. Loads here predicted De Gea would be itching to go to Real if he became any good when we first signed him, Atletico or not. (I personally wanted Adler when VDS retired. Who knows what'll have happened if we got him.) And here we are.
 
soapythecat said:
It's a good job DDG doesn't look in the Caf. In the same voice of calling Madrid fans fickle and everything else, there are people slating DDG, saying he should feck off etc, all in response to newspaper articles. Some of you are no worse than the Madrid fans you knock for acting spoilt.
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Meh. feck off David :devil:
 
Oneunited26 said:
Yea exactly, and CR7, atleast with both players they made sure both clubs had a good fee. DDG could had stayed this year, signed a contract and fecked off next summer
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That's my issue also. I have no issues with players fecking off for their dream club, more money whatever excuse i don't give a crap but you need to respect the club that made you a world beater sign a new contract so the club gets the fee it deserves.
 
slir32 said:
That's my issue also. I have no issues with players fecking off for their dream club, more money whatever excuse i don't give a crap but you need to respect the club that made you a world beater sign a new contract so the club gets the fee it deserves.
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Who are you to say what fee is deserved? The club can negotiate with people who are willing to pay. That's how the market works. It's silly to expect someone to give up their leverage to help their (soon to be) ex-employers. Again, De Gea wasn't a nobody when Man Utd signed him. The club didn't make him a world beater. He won the Europa League as a teenager. He started every match in la Liga for Atletico the season before he left.
 
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