Xavi Sells Out to Qatar aka Chemical Xavi

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Too many people have died, so to hear this from xavi right now is kinda disappointing. People have every right to call him out for it.
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He's gone there to play in their league and to promote their football. Football in qatar should still be promoted and developed even though there is wrong doings in the World Cup organising work.

And yes I know he's talking about the World Cup but one has to toe the line. Sir Alex toed the line everyone does at some point.
 
Sam said:
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But hey, they're great guys really. And who cares about how many people have died? The important thing is we don't have to travel to matches the day before anymore!
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Lots of migrants have died in Qatar but it's expected. The country has an estimated 1.4 million migrant workers living there, that graph includes all workers not just ones working on World Cup stadiums. Around 250 Indian workers die every year in Qatar but there's 500,000 of them in total. They're actually less likely to die in Qatar than they would be back home in India.
 
Eboue said:
I'm trying to say that the U.S. doesn't belong in your list. Plus I'm a strong believer that any time you can quote Sesame Street on a football forum, you do it.
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I got the reference, yes. Maybe not regarding human rights, but I was more talking about controversial topics like death penalty, gun laws and whatnot. Just because I'm going to work in the USA doesn't necessarily mean I approve of those things. I'm sure Xavi is not in favor of the human rights violations in Qatar, and even though his comments look bad, he isn't the guilty one in this whole story and a cnut per se.
 
RobinLFC said:
I got the reference, yes. Maybe not regarding human rights, but I was more talking about controversial topics like death penalty, gun laws and whatnot. Just because I'm going to work in the USA doesn't necessarily mean I approve of those things. I'm sure Xavi is not in favor of the human rights violations in Qatar, and even though his comments look bad, he isn't the guilty one in this whole story and a cnut per se.
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But there's a difference between working somewhere and working somewhere while being a public stooge for the conditions you supposedly deplore.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He's gone there to play in their league and to promote their football. Football in qatar should still be promoted and developed even though there is wrong doings in the World Cup organising work.

And yes I know he's talking about the World Cup but one has to toe the line. Sir Alex toed the line everyone does at some point.
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He's promoting the world cup and trying to twist the negatives into positives while ignoring the issue of dead workers, he's selling out big time, it's his right but people have the right to call him out for it.
 
Eboue said:
But there's a difference between working somewhere and working somewhere while being a public stooge for the conditions you supposedly deplore.
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Agreed, that's why I said at the beginning of my post that he shouldn't have said it in the first place. I just think it's hardly surprising, you saw it coming from a mile off when he signed for a Qatari team that they were going to use him in some way or another. It devalues my opinion on him but doesn't necessarily make him a cnut, like quoted poster said.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
He's gone there to play in their league and to promote their football. Football in qatar should still be promoted and developed even though there is wrong doings in the World Cup organising work.

And yes I know he's talking about the World Cup but one has to toe the line. Sir Alex toed the line everyone does at some point.
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Get outta here with your sensible thinking.
 
Sam said:
For all the people saying there's nothing wrong, you do realise just how many people have died so far, in order to host this World Cup, right?
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Most of them more than likely do know mate but just don't give a feck going by some of the comments in here anyway from low life nackers saying it's fine he's just doing whatever he has to to grab some money.
 
stevoc said:
Most of them more than likely do know mate but just don't give a feck going by some of the comments in here anyway from low life nackers saying it's fine he's just doing whatever he has to to grab some money.
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:lol: wind your neck in whoever you are
 
Eboue said:
How much different is this than promoting apartheid era South African football? I'm thinking not as much as some would like to believe.
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Football should be promoted everywhere. Iraq, Afghanistan, America, everywhere.
 
Once we knew he was signing for them and becoming an ambassador, there should be no surprise about what he said. You can hate it of course but the faux outrage displayed in the OP is OTT.
 
Eboue said:
How much different is this than promoting apartheid era South African football? I'm thinking not as much as some would like to believe.
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FIFA banned South African teams from competing in the World Cup, due to the fact that the FA banned non-white players from playing within the league and for the national team. In a parallel universe, if sports in South Africa were exempt from Apartheid policies that otherwise held, then South Africa would have been allowed to participate in the World Cup and African Cup of Nations. There may have been furor over hosting a World Cup in an apartheid South Africa, but you can't have FIFA picking and choosing based on politics; it gets dirty quickly. What next; ban China from hosting the World Cup due to it's liberal use of the death penalty?
 
kouroux said:
Once we knew he was signing for them and becoming an ambassador, there should be no surprise about what he said. You can hate it of course but the faux outrage displayed in the OP is OTT.
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That's the thing, I already lost all the respect I had for him when he signed there.
 
kouroux said:
Once we knew he was signing for them and becoming an ambassador, there should be no surprise about what he said. You can hate it of course but the faux outrage displayed in the OP is OTT.
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There's nothing faux about my outrage.

Every sugar coated bought and paid for lie he tells about Qatar & its football should be mocked.

Ring the bell. Shame. Shame. Shame.
 
kouroux said:
Once we knew he was signing for them and becoming an ambassador, there should be no surprise about what he said. You can hate it of course but the faux outrage displayed in the OP is OTT.
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Actually there's nowhere- absolutely nowhere- near enough outrage about the whole fecked up situation.
 
Americano said:
There's nothing faux about my outrage.
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Does your outrage only extend to football issues in Qatar, or are you disgusted as well with the countless multinational corporations who exploit slave labor in the Gulf? Do you boycott such products? Do you resign from your employers that affiliate with Qatar? And why single Qatar out? Do you extend this outrage to all countries and corporation who exploit poor people? Do you wear clothes made in sweatshops? Do you buy gas produced from petroleum procured in Russia and Saudi Arabia?
 
Nanook said:
Lots of migrants have died in Qatar but it's expected. The country has an estimated 1.4 million migrant workers living there, that graph includes all workers not just ones working on World Cup stadiums. Around 250 Indian workers die every year in Qatar but there's 500,000 of them in total. They're actually less likely to die in Qatar than they would be back home in India.
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Just for some context when you try and dismiss the numbers, the entire population of qatar, including the immigrants, is less than the population of Greater Manchester. Do you think you would brush aside such deaths if around 20 people per week were dying on building work at Old Trafford, every week, or do you think it would make national headlines and have everyone wondering what the feck was going on?
 
adexkola said:
Does your outrage only extend to football issues in Qatar, or are you disgusted as well with the countless multinational corporations who exploit slave labor in the Gulf? Do you boycott such products? Do you resign from your employers that affiliate with Qatar? And why single Qatar out? Do you extend this outrage to all countries and corporation who exploit poor people? Do you wear clothes made in sweatshops? Do you buy gas produced from petroleum procured in Russia and Saudi Arabia?
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What an odd argument. A man is not allowed to show outrage at exploitation and death unless he extends his outrage to every atrocity under the sun? The situation in Qatar is disgusting; for it to be carried out in the name of a feckin' sport makes it even more so, and to have millionaire footballers kicking a piece of leather around on the blood of slaves should invite all the outrage a person can muster. Football is obviously a cause we all have in common, which is obviously why this particular atrocity gains limelight on a football board. To see the deaths of workers publicly supported by FIFA and ignored by all those involved in the game is so far beyond the obscene it almost pales into the surreal. But as crass as it is, the lives of invisible people aren't so important to those who can't see them.
 
Well, there are no perfect places (apart from Ireland, of course). So, a list of the beauties of any country can, depending on your point of view, be criticized for ignoring its warts.

In particular, if international sports tournaments are going to be shared around the world in the future, the Western world is going to have to hold its nose about some of the places they're liable to end up.
 
SmashedHombre said:
What an odd argument. A man is not allowed to show outrage at exploitation and death unless he extends his outrage to every atrocity under the sun? The situation in Qatar is disgusting; for it to be carried out in the name of a feckin' sport makes it even more so, and to have millionaire footballers kicking a piece of leather around on the blood of slaves should invite all the outrage a person can muster. Football is obviously a cause we all have in common, which is obviously why this particular atrocity gains limelight on a football board. To see the deaths of workers publicly supported by FIFA and ignored by all those involved in the game is so far beyond the obscene it almost pales into the surreal. But as crass as it is, the lives of invisible people aren't so important to those who can't see them.
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If you're gonna stick your neck out and hurl abuse at Xavi, then it's fair game to question the sincerity of your outrage. I hate the use of slave labor but I can separate that from someone just doing his job in Qatar. What happens once the World Cup is removed from Qatar? Is it problem solved, and everyone goes back to ignoring the disgusting slave system over there, as they were before the World Cup was awarded? My bet is on the latter, but then again I'm a pessimist.
 
Thank you. Well said.

SmashedHombre said:
What an odd argument. A man is not allowed to show outrage at exploitation and death unless he extends his outrage to every atrocity under the sun? The situation in Qatar is disgusting; for it to be carried out in the name of a feckin' sport makes it even more so, and to have millionaire footballers kicking a piece of leather around on the blood of slaves should invite all the outrage a person can muster. Football is obviously a cause we all have in common, which is obviously why this particular atrocity gains limelight on a football board. To see the deaths of workers publicly supported by FIFA and ignored by all those involved in the game is so far beyond the obscene it almost pales into the surreal. But as crass as it is, the lives of invisible people aren't so important to those who can't see them.
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SmashedHombre said:
What an odd argument. A man is not allowed to show outrage at exploitation and death unless he extends his outrage to every atrocity under the sun? The situation in Qatar is disgusting; for it to be carried out in the name of a feckin' sport makes it even more so, and to have millionaire footballers kicking a piece of leather around on the blood of slaves should invite all the outrage a person can muster. Football is obviously a cause we all have in common, which is obviously why this particular atrocity gains limelight on a football board. To see the deaths of workers publicly supported by FIFA and ignored by all those involved in the game is so far beyond the obscene it almost pales into the surreal. But as crass as it is, the lives of invisible people aren't so important to those who can't see them.
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Very well said.

The argument that nobody should speak out against an injustice unless they are able to pro-actively right every injustice in history is so trivially flawed it just makes people look like dicks.
 
RobinLFC said:
I do think it's wrong what he said, but this is over the top. If you're going down that route, every player in Russia, Qatar, the USA and countless other countries would be a cnut? I'm not having that. You're all condemning the wrong person here - it's FIFA, the Qatari FA and other big players in this corrupted system who're the bad guys.
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I'm not seeing what the USA has to do with anything or Russia for that matter.

beckham, Henry and gerrard went/have gone there for a big pay day to finish their careers in the right way. Xavi has gone to a completely backwards country and is spouting praise to a country that regularly....

hands out lashings as punishment for adultery or theft

A country that gives homosexuals a prison sentence or death sentence

A country that still regards stoning as a punishment

A country where a womans views in court are completely disregarded and ignored because men are "superior"

Forced labour (basically slaves)

As I said he is a complete sellout and he is a Cnut there's no doubt. He obviously was told to say these views but he had a choice to take the high ground and refuse to say these things. What's the worst that could've happened to him? So they sack him, He's already a multi millionaire. He's just completely ruined his whole career and morals now for the extra $$$.
 
adexkola said:
If you're gonna stick your neck out and hurl abuse at Xavi, then it's fair game to question the sincerity of your outrage. I hate the use of slave labor but I can separate that from someone just doing his job in Qatar. What happens once the World Cup is removed from Qatar? Is it problem solved, and everyone goes back to ignoring the disgusting slave system over there, as they were before the World Cup was awarded? My bet is on the latter, but then again I'm a pessimist.
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We're talking specifically about football, Qatar, Xavi, and the World Cup - not some relativist thought experiment.
 
Even if the OP is over the top, he has a point. This reflects terribly on Xavi in my opinion. To the point where it's actually hard to like him anymore.
 
Oh, well. Then he too - is but a man.

As Beethoven once said of Napoleon.

Difference being that Napoleon turned out to be an all-too-human tyrant on the grand scale, whereas Xavi has turned out to be an all-too-human...I don't know. What is he, actually? A twat? An idiot? A greedy cnut?

I don't know. But he clearly ain't grand. Seems nobody is anymore.
 
Sam said:
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But hey, they're great guys really. And who cares about how many people have died? The important thing is we don't have to travel to matches the day before anymore!
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Holy shit, is this true?
 
Scholes would never do that. :smirk:
Mostly because he'd melt in the sun over there.
 
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