De Gea Contract Situation

[Insanity]

The club have a contract ready for him and have at no point tried to force him to make a decision. With him unwilling to sign we have to decide what value we put on keeping him for the extra season, clearly at this moment of time Real Madrid aren't willing to put up the value we consider him worth. DDG is a human being and it's obvious that he would be affected by this, so if the manager believes that he is mentally not right then you have to trust his decision and accept it. Why would any replacement be brought in till we are certain about DDG leaving?

That is why the big boys get big money: to make those decisions. If De Gea isn't 'focused' and remains that way till the the end of his contract than we are the ones fecked. It's August 7th, the seasons starts tomorrow and we have to deal with goalkeeping situation now, which should have been resolved a lot earlier instead of us trying to enter a dick measuring contest with Madird from a much weaker position.

We should have taken the decision either way. I am sure it wasn't yesterday that De Gea got up from the bed and said, no, I don't feel like it. We have known the situation since the end of the season, and would have no one but ourselves to blame.

 

[Garethw]

I dont see it quite like this. Sometimes when your head isnt in the right place it isnt because you are consciously shirking. When something is playing on your mind it is hard to focus. I said it before, its the uncertainty. Its doing all of our heads in, I imagine it is doing his head in even more. He doesnt know where he is going to be living next month. I really believe once this has been cleared up one way or the other, when the window closes, he will be able to get his head down and perform as he did last season.

Pogue summed it up perfectly earlier mate, if any of us tried this "my head isn't in it" shit at our place of works then we'd be shown the door.

 

[Offside]

He's still staying. Very sensible by Van Gaal to not play him while it's up in the air.

 

[PlayerOne]

It's all so poorly handled. Not only are we starting the season with our number goalkeeper wanting to leave, we don't even have a backup who has settled in yet. Poor from LVG

 

[noodlehair]

If they don't play him they will sell him, even for as little as 15m.

We could have done that already. Ages ago in fact. Instead we have a situation where a day before our first game, we don't really have a goalkeeper...despite having FIVE of them in our squad.

This is the kind of poorly planned stupidity that has become the norm for us over the last couple of years unfortunately.

Refuse to let player go for insulting fee, then player throws a tantrum at not getting move.

Yep, LVG and Woodward really fecked us up this time, there was Soooo much they could do about it.

Get a grip.

Where has anyone said anything about De Gea throwing a tantrum? You've just decided to make that up.

We would also have a back up in place if Van Gaal hadn't fallen out with the one he signed within a few months of signing them...despite it being pointed out by everyone under the sun, at the time, that Valdes wouldn't be happy being a reserve player.

When you've got five goalkeepers and yet don't actually have a goalkeeper, it's fair to say you've fecked up quite massively.

"get a grip" Why do people add stuff like this on the end of their posts? What is it supposed to achieve other than making you sound like you're being a twat?

 

[humdinger]

It is a crap situation, and I'm not exactly enamoured with our back-up options, but if Real are not meeting our valuation of De Gea's purchase price we can't sell him and if LVG doesn't think De Gea's head is in it, he's duty bound to drop him (also sends out a good message to the rest of the squad - if you are not committed to the club/team you don't get to play). I blame De Gea and Real before I blame van Gaal for this.

 

[Adebesi]

Pogue summed it up perfectly earlier mate, if any of us tried this "my head isn't in it" shit at our place of works then we'd be shown the door.

Do we know he said "my head isnt in it"? If so, fair enough. My understanding is that Van Gaal has decided his head isnt in it, has detected a slight drop in his performances. I read a week or more ago something with Van Gaal saying he wants to go, just sell him, but there was no indication that De Gea had downed tools. As I said, I havent followed this as closely as some might have so maybe there is an element to this I am missing. But in real life, if someone has this kind of uncertainty in their life and their employer detects it, they might well make allowances for them until it is resolved. Life is nowhere near as black and white as that. It is hard to make comparisons between football and real life because football is just another world, but if someone has some personal shit, an offer from another company or the equivalent, and they lose a bit of focus, they dont get sacked or demoted on the spot, that is complete nonsense.

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

That is why the big boys get big money: to make those decisions. If De Gea isn't 'focused' and remains that way till the the end of his contract than we are the ones fecked. It's August 7th, the seasons starts tomorrow and we have to deal with goalkeeping situation now, which should have been resolved a lot earlier instead of us trying to enter a dick measuring contest with Madird from a much weaker position.

We should have taken the decision either way. I am sure it wasn't yesterday that De Gea got up from the bed and said, no, I don't feel like it. We have known the situation since the end of the season, and would have no one but ourselves to blame.

So we should have sold him for whatever money Real were ready to offer?You would have probably found something to moan about even in that scenario

 

[Enigma_87]

De Gea with longer contract would currently be worth £125m. With one year left he's easily worth £65m.

Or something. Realistically we can get £25m maximum for him and with long contract it might have been £40m. His price has been a bit overestimated over the last few months.

Are you using GladstonSpur's calculator?

Those fees are ridiculous.

 

[Sarni]

Are you using GladstonSpur's calculator?

Those fees are ridiculous.

Read second paragraph.

 

[Insanity]

So we should have sold him for whatever money Real were ready to offer?You would have probably found something to moan about even in that scenario

Jesus Christ!

It's not about me or anyone else moaning, it's about our goal keeping situation. Anything we say or do doesn't matter. Don't take this site or the people in it too seriously. It's about Manchester United; not me, you or anyone else.

We should have found a solution, Yes.

 

[JPRouve]

Yes but that means LvG isn't sure if de Gea will leave this window or stay for another year. I think before the season starts you should know which GK to play and sort it out. If de Gea already knew there isn't a chance for him to leave this year he would be focused and would start the game.

That isn't clever and it isn't the players fault. When you considering to sell de Gea then you bring in a GK who is ready and who is on the same level.

That will destabilize our defence. This can cost us already many points we could need at the end of the season.

Look I don't like this situation, in May I said that if De Gea hasn't signed a new contract by july, we should sell him for whatever fee Madrid are willing to pay , and turn the page. Almost everyone disagreed with that stance because without him we are supposed to be a mid table football club.
My problem here is that the club had the same moronic stance than them, and now they are criticizing the club, you guys should have some decency and stay quiet.

 

[Adebesi]

When you've got five goalkeepers and yet don't actually have a goalkeeper, it's fair to say you've fecked up quite massively.

I have actually supported Woodward's handling of the De Gea side of things all summer but I cant argue with this.

The Valdes - Van Gaal bust up was probably the biggest cockup of the whole affair to be honest. If that hadnt happened we would be in much better shape.

 

[mckenzie79]

We could have done that already. Ages ago in fact. Instead we have a situation where a day before our first game, we don't really have a goalkeeper...despite having FIVE of them in our squad.

This is the kind of poorly planned stupidity that has become the norm for us over the last couple of years unfortunately.



Where has anyone said anything about De Gea throwing a tantrum? You've just decided to make that up.

We would also have a back up in place if Van Gaal hadn't fallen out with the one he signed within a few months of signing them...despite it being pointed out by everyone under the sun, at the time, that Valdes wouldn't be happy being a reserve player.

When you've got five goalkeepers and yet don't actually have a goalkeeper, it's fair to say you've fecked up quite massively.

"get a grip" Why do people add stuff like this on the end of their posts? What is it supposed to achieve other than making you sound like you're being a twat?

''What is it supposed to achieve other than making you sound like you're being a twat?''

Maybe if I was acting like an emotional little girl I would get responses like that, but its just you, so carry on sweet cheeks.

De Gea is not focused on the game because of all the speculation, speculation he could have ended months ago as I've said in my other posts. We could have signed a replacement, he would be in Madrid and everyone is happy.

Regarding Valdes, the same Valdes that thought he was too big to play for the reserves when we'd given him his rehab and training? That LVG's fault aswell is it?

 

[sullydnl]

How is it stupid?

DDG is going. It's quite clear since May when Van Gaal said it was difficult to keep him that he was off. We keep him on the bench for the season or sell him. It doesn't matter as we would have a new goalkeeper regardless.

Keeping him on the bench for the season is what's stupid. If we do that we don't get to play him or get any money for him. It's the worst of both worlds. Why would we play Lloris and keep De Gea on the bench when we could play Lloris and get money for De Gea?

 

[Enigma_87]

Read second paragraph.

No one in their right mind in Real would pay over 35m EUR for a goalkeeper who wants to come and has 1 year left on the contract. At best if we're to sell him we can get 20-25m EUR.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

We could have done that already. Ages ago in fact. Instead we have a situation where a day before our first game, we don't really have a goalkeeper...despite having FIVE of them in our squad.

This is the kind of poorly planned stupidity that has become the norm for us over the last couple of years unfortunately.



Where has anyone said anything about De Gea throwing a tantrum? You've just decided to make that up.

We would also have a back up in place if Van Gaal hadn't fallen out with the one he signed within a few months of signing them...despite it being pointed out by everyone under the sun, at the time, that Valdes wouldn't be happy being a reserve player.

When you've got five goalkeepers and yet don't actually have a goalkeeper, it's fair to say you've fecked up quite massively.

"get a grip" Why do people add stuff like this on the end of their posts? What is it supposed to achieve other than making you sound like you're being a twat?

Exactly my thoughts.

We've shown a remarkable lack of strength and foresight in this whole saga whatever way you look at it.

 

[Insanity]

I have actually supported Woodward's handling of the De Gea side of things all summer but I cant argue with this.

The Valdes - Van Gaal bust up was probably the biggest cockup of the whole affair to be honest. If that hadnt happened we would be in much better shape.

Been saying this from the beginning. We were always the ones in the least favorable position in all this with the player having only one year remaining on his contract. Seems like we have fecked it up again.

Now we start the season tomorrow with no first choice goal keeper. Ridiculous for a club like ours.

 

[Spoony]

I have actually supported Woodward's handling of the De Gea side of things all summer but I cant argue with this.

The Valdes - Van Gaal bust up was probably the biggest cockup of the whole affair to be honest. If that hadnt happened we would be in much better shape.

Diplomacy isn't Van H

I have actually supported Woodward's handling of the De Gea side of things all summer but I cant argue with this.

The Valdes - Van Gaal bust up was probably the biggest cockup of the whole affair to be honest. If that hadnt happened we would be in much better shape.

Diplomacy isn't Van Gaal's best attribute, to be fair.

 

[Adebesi]

Regarding Valdes, the same Valdes that thought he was too big to play for the reserves when we'd given him his rehab and training? That LVG's fault aswell is it?

Im inclined not to go overboard with blaming Van Gaal for this either, but it may be that, in the circumstances, considering the situation with De Gea, this could have been handled with a little more tact and pragmatism. Its all well and good having principles but you have to recognise when following those principles is self defeating. If we had sucked it up, dealt with it quietly, in-house, we might have a suitable replacement for De Gea waiting in the wings right now.

I wouldnt go too far with this line or argument because at the end of the day we have no idea what happened behind the scenes, and whether brushing it all under the carpet was ever a serious option.

Either way, maybe Im being naive in my optimism but I fully expect De Gea to do the business for us this season, IF he stays. So all this is only an inconvenience for a couple of games, hopefully.

 

[CassiusClaymore]

Im inclined not to go overboard with blaming Van Gaal for this either, but it may be that, in the circumstances, considering the situation with De Gea, this could have been handled with a little more tact and pragmatism. Its all well and good having principles but you have to recognise when following those principles is self defeating. If we had sucked it up, dealt with it quietly, in-house, we might have a suitable replacement for De Gea waiting in the wings right now.

I wouldnt go too far with this line or argument because at the end of the day we have no idea what happened behind the scenes, and whether brushing it all under the carpet was ever a serious option.

Either way, maybe Im being naive in my optimism but I fully expect De Gea to do the business for us this season, IF he stays. So all this is only an inconvenience for a couple of games, hopefully.

And again another very sensible post. The bolded part in particular is spot on.

I imagine that Louis has got Woodward pulling his hair out at times. He's too open and honest it would seem.

 

[mckenzie79]

Im inclined not to go overboard with blaming Van Gaal for this either, but it may be that, in the circumstances, considering the situation with De Gea, this could have been handled with a little more tact and pragmatism. Its all well and good having principles but you have to recognise when following those principles is self defeating. If we had sucked it up, dealt with it quietly, in-house, we might have a suitable replacement for De Gea waiting in the wings right now.

I wouldnt go too far with this line or argument because at the end of the day we have no idea what happened behind the scenes, and whether brushing it all under the carpet was ever a serious option.

Either way, maybe Im being naive in my optimism but I fully expect De Gea to do the business for us this season, IF he stays. So all this is only an inconvenience for a couple of games, hopefully.

I really hope so too, I thought we were getting somewhere this transfer window, this has taken the shine off it massively, I don't really care about Di Maria going. The best option obviously is if De Gea stays and is fully focused, we may do something special if this is the case!!

 

[Enigma_87]

''What is it supposed to achieve other than making you sound like you're being a twat?''

Maybe if I was acting like an emotional little girl I would get responses like that, but its just you, so carry on sweet cheeks.

De Gea is not focused on the game because of all the speculation, speculation he could have ended months ago as I've said in my other posts. We could have signed a replacement, he would be in Madrid and everyone is happy.

Regarding Valdes, the same Valdes that thought he was too big to play for the reserves when we'd given him his rehab and training? That LVG's fault aswell is it?

To be fair I agree with noodlehair. It was a bit poor from us overall. We don't have #1 keeper. Valdes is a goner, we signed Romero as backup to Valdes, but since DDG situation hasn't resolved it's most likely he'll be a starter(and he's crap). We player Johnstone in preseason to loan him out, Lindgaard is completely doubtful for his place if he has some.

New season starts tomorrow and we have no idea who to play since, DDG saga most likely will be dragged to the end of the window when we can't sign a replacement or either if we can we would pay premium, or of he stays it's either bench and leave for free on top with 4m salary for the year or play him having in doubt his professionalism.

We should already have brought in a replacement for this time and sell him for whatever we can get from Real.

What's the actual point in having 5 goalkeepers 20 days before the window closes?

 

[ferguson2]

Look I don't like this situation, in May I said that if De Gea hasn't signed a new contract by july, we should sell him for whatever fee Madrid are willing to pay , and turn the page. Almost everyone disagreed with that stance because without him we are supposed to be a mid table football club.
My problem here is that the club had the same moronic stance than them, and now they are criticizing the club, you guys should have some decency and stay quiet.

Yes I agree. We should know how to handle the situation. It's obvious that our stance isn't clear which leads to a unsettled de Gea.

IMO it's too late to sell him. Also I don't see the need selling de Gea. Let him leave for free but tell everyone that our position is clear and won't change.

 

[Adebesi]

I really hope so too, I thought we were getting somewhere this transfer window, this has taken the shine off it massively, I don't really care about Di Maria going. The best option obviously is if De Gea stays and is fully focused, we may do something special if this is the case!!

I really believe he will. Ive posted about 10 times in the last hour saying it but losing focus during the summer, or for a preseason friendly, or even for a game or two at the start of the PL season, is one thing. (Three things if you want to be pedantic about it.) Losing focus for an entire PL season is quite another. IF he stays he will get on with his job. It is only the uncertainty about what is happening that is an issue here. And I completely understand that. If two massive institutions were haggling over my services, and I didnt know if I was going to be living here or in another country next week, I imagine it would play on my mind too.

 

[rover]

said long time ago ddg should be on the bottom of the pecking order and game time should be given to those pledged their future to this football club

this stance doesn't relate to the decision how do we treat his transfer saga with real. for the transfer this is a bully from real and their sneaky agent. so our stance should be if the player wants to leave, when we accept he's no longer a united player we price him. if no club can meet our valuation the player stays and he can walk out freely after his contract expires.

the original game plan would be valdes to be the back up. so now we are having an x-factor that our back up plan is ruined because of another sneaky player's unfaithful behavior. so romero was brought in. if romero is not our ultimate solution then at least he brought us time. if romero cannot catch up the match fitness required then we go to johnstone. i'm more than happy to see johnstone in goal.

we are manchester united and we always have faith to our youngster. we have more than enough guts to make this decision without panic

 

[Nogbadthebad]

If De Gea wants to leave that badly, hand in a transfer request. Sod blaming Woodward of Van Gaal in this, th eboy wants his 'loyalty bonus' AND to leave on the cheap after being tapped up by not signing a new contract (which would have seen him earn about £3 million more last season by the way, great management by his team there, he could have still fecking left if he'd signed, everyone would have been better off, including him).
Madrid are not meeting our valuation, so if the player wants to go, hand in the request. If he doesn't, then I'm afraid every single bit of drama, speculation and nonsense is right on De Gea and his team's heads. No one to blame but them.

 

[mckenzie79]

To be fair I agree with noodlehair. It was a bit poor from us overall. We don't have #1 keeper. Valdes is a goner, we signed Romero as backup to Valdes, but since DDG situation hasn't resolved it's most likely he'll be a starter(and he's crap). We player Johnstone in preseason to loan him out, Lindgaard is completely doubtful for his place if he has some.

New season starts tomorrow and we have no idea who to play since, DDG saga most likely will be dragged to the end of the window when we can't sign a replacement or either if we can we would pay premium, or of he stays it's either bench and leave for free on top with 4m salary for the year or play him having in doubt his professionalism.

We should already have brought in a replacement for this time and sell him for whatever we can get from Real.

What's the actual point in having 5 goalkeepers 20 days before the window closes?

Thats all well and good, but is it really too much to ask of De Gea to to be fully focused on being the best he can whilst he's at the club?

He's paid by United, very, very well, and he's under contract for another year anyway if we hold him to it, so be a professional and do your job. Don't come out with excuses of distractions and speculation when in all reality, if he wanted to, he could have settled all of this back in June. Now, both he and the team are disrupted just before the season starts.

 

[Sad Chris]

Reading some of the stuff in here since LvG's presser, I think our problem isn't the newbie section.
Maybe we should force a cooldown hour for everyone who types (or hammers!?!) more than 30 posts an hour. It's out of control.

 

[Brophs]

I'm only catching up but to me the most interesting thing is whether LVG sensed that he wasn't focussed or whether DDG said he didn't feel up to playing. The former may not offer any clues as to how this will end. Once the window closes he'll know he has to knuckle down. The latter means he has basically downed tools, which means he'll probably get his move at a price Madrid are comfortable with.

 

[Adebesi]

I'm only catching up but to me the most interesting thing is whether LVG sensed that he wasn't focussed or whether DDG said he didn't feel up to playing. The former may not offer any clues as to how this will end. Once the window closes he'll know he has to knuckle down. The latter means he has basically downed tools, which means he'll probably get his move at a price Madrid are comfortable with.

Absolutely, Im completely in the dark on this. Im assuming it is the former, simply because I have seen no suggestion other than by a few posters on here that it is the latter.

 

[Enigma_87]

Thats all well and good, but is it really too much to ask of De Gea to to be fully focused on being the best he can whilst he's at the club?

He's paid by United, very, very well, and he's under contract for another year anyway if we hold him to it, so be a professional and do your job. Don't come out with excuses of distractions and speculation when in all reality, if he wanted to, he could have settled all of this back in June. Now, both he and the team are disrupted just before the season starts.

Well that's kinda the idea. I like how we got the AdM situation solved, although there we had the upper hand with the length of the contract. He wanted to go, we held for a while for the transfer sum and then sold him with a lot of time to get in a replacement(we also had already one in mind).

Now we are expecting from DDG to be professional about his contract, but we never know as he'll be paid very very well regardless of how he plays or if he plays at all. All in all the situation is not in or hands anymore. Get a replacement and sell him to RM before the window closes. Or if we're ok to hold him for a season with the transfer fee(plus his wages) being low, get a #1 keeper and keep him if the #1 doesn't work out.

Not have him and not play him or have doubts about him and have 2-3 keepers with a huge gap in quality (Valdes, Romero, Lindgaard).

 

[Lewis.no.9]

anyone worried that going Public with this info instead of pretending De Gea got injured in training or something, will just hand Madrid the initiative to bid £8million or something lower than their first rejected offer because now they see us as desperate?.

 

[Sarni]

anyone worried that going Public with this info instead of pretending De Gea got injured in training or something, will just hand Madrid the initiative to bid £8million or something lower than their first rejected offer because now they see us as desperate?.

Real Madrid were going to know what's exactly happening with De Gea anyway. It's not like they find out from press when they got close ties with his agent who's orchestrating this move.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

anyone worried that going Public with this info instead of pretending De Gea got injured in training or something, will just hand Madrid the initiative to bid £8million or something lower than their first rejected offer because now they see us as desperate?.

Why are we desparate. We could say that's the price and pay or you wont get him. We wont suddenly sell him for 8m. just cause he's not starting tomorrow.

 

[redspoony]

If you were De Gea, would you not be a little worried that Madrid are yet to submit a bit (at least publicly)? I find it a bit curious.

I'm sure they're playing the long game in terms of this transfer, but it just surprises me that they haven't wanted to get it done and dusted.

And on another, more general note, what the hell happened to players just handing in a transfer request? The transfer system has always been murky, but more so than ever now.

 

[Lewis.no.9]

Why are we desparate. We could say that's the price and pay or you wont get him. We wont suddenly sell him for 8m. just cause he's not starting tomorrow.

because now he is being an unwanted problem for the manager and team and it creates a massive negative press on the club on the eve of the start of the new year after a record signing with Adidas and new exciting players being purchased. We will want rid now asap compared to before when we were holding out. I can see Madrid offering even worse offers now.

 

[psychdelicblues]

Pogue summed it up perfectly earlier mate, if any of us tried this "my head isn't in it" shit at our place of works then we'd be shown the door.

I don't get that analogy. Surely De Gea objective, is to be shown the door. The door to Madrid.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

because now he is being an unwanted problem for the manager and team and it creates a massive negative press on the club on the eve of the start of the new year after a record signing with Adidas and new exciting players being purchased. We will want rid now asap compared to before when we were holding out. I can see Madrid offering even worse offers now.

I dont think we will want to get rid asap.
If Madrid doesnt offer what we ask for he's staying and with Euros coming he will need to suck it up and play his best.

 

[mu4c_20le]

If you were De Gea, would you not be a little worried that Madrid are yet to submit a bit (at least publicly)? I find it a bit curious.

If I were de gea, and fan bias aside, I would keep my head down and continue playing for the club whose fans love me in a sort of "feck you, you need me more than i need you" attitude towards the francos. I really dont get this silent treatment, players acting moody and quietly waiting for things to go their way. As you said, either hand in a transfer request, or do your job.