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De Gea Contract Situation
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Probably tweeted by some PR lackey.
The circus isn't his fault, though. He clearly wants to go and United aren't allowing it. This would of been dealt with back in June or July, but for Ramos.
I am getting stressed out by how stupid our GK situation is and how LVG is managing it.
I was being serious about the idea that their is no scientific studies that shows playing in the reserve will improve your first team performance. It can help with match fitness when coming back from an injury, but playing their regularly for a player of Valdes reputation is illogical and unjustifiable unless Van Gaal planned to introduce him into the team.
We signed him to compete and become a under study for De Gea, not to play with kids. If that was the case, we should evaluate how our club manage our finances as it is illogical to be a player on his wage playing regularly in the reserve.
Of course the circus is not his ALL fault, but he's not blameless!
Agreed, (as I said in my post) the egos involved are a major stumbling block here but would they have to act like they are if they were not put in this position by a player who's had his head turned?
DdG's acting like he's a Real player already and we are refusing to give him back … If Blatter were still there I'd be expecting a "slavery" comment from FIFA any day now.
The simple fact is, he's our player until someone else meets our valuation of him - there is nothing that says just because it's Real we have to grin and bend over. He should have his head down and be working for his employers and loyal fans until such a time as he is no longer one of our players any more.
No doubt the detractions will come out on Twitter tomorrow saying "I didn't refuse to play" but it's all out there because of a mess he and his advisors have created and it'll be adding to the unsightly mess this has become.
I was being sarcastic about invoking SCIENCE. There are no "scientific studies" that show not spitting in your manager's face improves team performance either, but surprisingly there are no clubs at which that is acceptable.
You seem to be having trouble with the concept of "understudy."
Has there ever been a player that's sat out a beginning of a season and stayed with a club?
What are the odds he misses the first two games then decides to stay (;
What are the odds he misses the first two games then decides to stay (;
At this point, it's no longer about the money.
It seems more than the other way around. E.g. Van Gaal spitting in Valdes face. This is a non-issue and Van Gaal made it into something bigger than it is suppose to be. Valdes seems to have the right attitude, with several of his tweet showing he is ready to train with United, then perhaps one moment of friction between Van Gaal and Valdes, illustrated a cut throat approach that did not repair burnt bridges. We do not have imperative evidence that tells the full story, but right now it appears that this issue is being blown out of proportion. With proper man-management this situation will be handle differently in which both parties have greater respect for each other.
Seem like De Gea was never unsettled to me. His end game goal was always Real Madrid and being an Atl Madrid player he could never make that move, United is just his steppingstone.
Yes, I complete pull those out of my ass but the point is Mendes and him could've done what Ronaldo did but they chose not to and put both United and him into this clown fiesta .
Honestly I don't fecking care anymore. The sooner it ends, the better.
Yes, I complete pull those out of my ass but the point is Mendes and him could've done what Ronaldo did but they chose not to and put both United and him into this clown fiesta .
Honestly I don't fecking care anymore. The sooner it ends, the better.
A right fecking mess.
The more this drags on, the calmer I become about it. Can't be arsed to concern myself.
Mostly because I think he's staying I suppose...
Mostly because I think he's staying I suppose...
I think LvG is playing it right. Not playing him while he says he is fine tells him "Either sign or make your Lord Perez and his pal Mendes pay up"
If I had to believe one side of the story, it would be De Gea's.
If there were such a big fissure between club and player, DDG wouldn't have bothered coming to the stadium and sitting in the stands against Tottenham.
I think LvG is telling porkies.
If there were such a big fissure between club and player, DDG wouldn't have bothered coming to the stadium and sitting in the stands against Tottenham.
I think LvG is telling porkies.
Much ado about nothing, if you ask me. The storm seems to be stirred by the media more than anything else.
If De Gea had really outright refused to play, LvG would never even have included him in the CL squad. There's a difference between outright refusal, and mutually agreeing that it might not be in the best interest for him to play. If LvG sees something on the pitch and training ground that tells him De Gea shouldn't play, then I don't think it's up for discussion anymore.
Are we seriously thinking that if De Gea had told him "hey don't worry boss, I'll be ok", LvG would just say, "oh alright then, you'll play."??
And then a few hours later, the Daily Mail reported that "sources close to De Gea has confirmed blah blah blah" ... claiming he was baffled by LvG's words. Like seriously?? The Daily Mail has sources within the club who can walk up to De Gea and ask him outright "hey have you heard, the boss is telling the whole world that you refused to play on Saturday. So Dave, tell me how you feel about that?" It's the Daily Mail guys.
The way I see, nothing has changed at all. It's just the media trying to stir a shit storm.
LvG has made it clear that he won't play De Gea right until the transfer window is closed, just to be safe. De Gea probably feels he can play, but I don't think he's going to fight with LvG over it. And of course, if Romero plays an absolute blinder in every match from now until then, De Gea may have to remain on the bench. There's nothing new here. At all.
If De Gea had really outright refused to play, LvG would never even have included him in the CL squad. There's a difference between outright refusal, and mutually agreeing that it might not be in the best interest for him to play. If LvG sees something on the pitch and training ground that tells him De Gea shouldn't play, then I don't think it's up for discussion anymore.
Are we seriously thinking that if De Gea had told him "hey don't worry boss, I'll be ok", LvG would just say, "oh alright then, you'll play."??
And then a few hours later, the Daily Mail reported that "sources close to De Gea has confirmed blah blah blah" ... claiming he was baffled by LvG's words. Like seriously?? The Daily Mail has sources within the club who can walk up to De Gea and ask him outright "hey have you heard, the boss is telling the whole world that you refused to play on Saturday. So Dave, tell me how you feel about that?" It's the Daily Mail guys.
The way I see, nothing has changed at all. It's just the media trying to stir a shit storm.
LvG has made it clear that he won't play De Gea right until the transfer window is closed, just to be safe. De Gea probably feels he can play, but I don't think he's going to fight with LvG over it. And of course, if Romero plays an absolute blinder in every match from now until then, De Gea may have to remain on the bench. There's nothing new here. At all.
LvG said De Gea is not in a right mind. So he said he wants to opt out.
Media said "De Gea says he does not want to play for Man United"
Media said "De Gea says he does not want to play for Man United"
Exactly, there is no direct quote from LvG which says "De Gea has said he does not want to play".
He has only made comment about the players state of mind. And in cases like this, the player might believe he is 100% ok, but people around him can see if he is in the right frame 100% or not.
Another case of media creating an issue out of nothing.
You can fecking say that again, jeebus christus.
Agree with you. My question is (if in fact we're right) "what is LVG hoping to achieve by this except pissing De Gea off?"
More and more things make me belive that Van Gaal is part of DDG problem.
What did LVG say? I watched the pressed and his interview with MUTV and never once did I get the opinion that it was DDG's choice that he is not in the squad.
Yes Mendes is saying that DDG is fit and wants to play but it isn't up to him.
IMHO LVG has said he won't play until the window is closed and that's the end of it. Unless we lose then he will be slated.
Real aren't going to offer fair value for him so I suspect Van Gaal is goading him to commit himself to United. Although his methods are interesting to say the least.
As it stands the most likely scenario is De Gea having one hell of a shit year here, playing little football and struggling to get a look in for the Euros. And who knows where Real will be with their goalkeeper situation/transfer situation a year from now.
His only alternative would be to commit himself to United for at least the season, probably involving a new contract with a release clause.
At the end of the day all we stand to lose is a little disposable income, and Real already have two decent keepers. The only one with something significant to lose is De Gea. He's also the one most at fault in this messy business, along with that snakey piece of shit Mendes. Real are a vile club but you can't fault them for not wanting to pay a lot for a keeper when the position is already adequately covered.
It wouldn't have been though, Real clearly have no intention of offering anything like fair value for him.
As it stands the most likely scenario is De Gea having one hell of a shit year here, playing little football and struggling to get a look in for the Euros. And who knows where Real will be with their goalkeeper situation/transfer situation a year from now.
His only alternative would be to commit himself to United for at least the season, probably involving a new contract with a release clause.
At the end of the day all we stand to lose is a little disposable income, and Real already have two decent keepers. The only one with something significant to lose is De Gea. He's also the one most at fault in this messy business, along with that snakey piece of shit Mendes. Real are a vile club but you can't fault them for not wanting to pay a lot for a keeper when the position is already adequately covered.
It wouldn't have been though, Real clearly have no intention of offering anything like fair value for him.
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He's already under contract for the next year.
http://m.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2015/0813/721031-david-de-gea-still-out-of-favour-at-united/
He said David told Hoek he doesn't want to play. "United official" scrambled some damage limitation after, just compare the RTE one to the BBC version
He said David told Hoek he doesn't want to play. "United official" scrambled some damage limitation after, just compare the RTE one to the BBC version
Right, didn't take too long for van Gaal to be blamed for the De Gea problem.
At this point, we simply cannot sell him in this window or the next. Too much has happened, we've made too much of a fuss only to sell him to Madrid now. I don't see how van Gaal's comments change anything; of course De Gea doesn't want to play for Manchester United. Far too many people have given De Gea too much of an easy ride for stringing the club along all of last season; saying how he would sign a contract provided we qualify for the Champions League and then refusing to do so. Van Gaal is being a cnut leaking a private conversation to the press, but it isn't anything De Gea doesn't deserve.
At this point, we simply cannot sell him in this window or the next. Too much has happened, we've made too much of a fuss only to sell him to Madrid now. I don't see how van Gaal's comments change anything; of course De Gea doesn't want to play for Manchester United. Far too many people have given De Gea too much of an easy ride for stringing the club along all of last season; saying how he would sign a contract provided we qualify for the Champions League and then refusing to do so. Van Gaal is being a cnut leaking a private conversation to the press, but it isn't anything De Gea doesn't deserve.
I don't think he cares about DDG anymore and knows he's made his mind up to leave. All that's left now is getting a good fee from Madrid. If we play him and he has a terrible game, that's our negotiating power gone. Taking subtle digs at him in public is probably putting even more pressure on him and you can bet it's causing his camp to tell Madrid to hurry the feck up.
........ I know.
He'd be signing a new contract to secure regular football this season, and get paid more. In return it would establish a release clause so that he could be sold next summer for a fair fee. It's what should have happened many months ago if everyone involved had even a shred of common sense.
If DDG truly said that to one of LVG's coaches, wouldn't he wanna confirm it directly from him ? Therefore wouldn't LVG have said "DDG told me he doesn't wanna play anymore" ?
Any top club would like to sign him on free bar Bayern Munich: Barcelona and City would also be interested, let alone PSG. Even if Real gave up on him which would never happen he would move to a top club. He's in a very strong position and we are in a weak positon as a club: if we send him in the reserves, we lose both money and the performances of one of the best keepers in the world.
In what way?
After a year of little football not that many would be overly keen. Certainly not Bayern with Neuer, and probably not City either with their hg squad issues. PSG and Barca may well be but then neither really solves the issue of going back to Madrid.
Not to mention how much it would jeopardise his chances of starting for Spain in the Euros.
We're actually in the strongest position of any of the three parties because losing a bit of money doesn't hurt us at all, losing the performances of a world class keeper isn't relevant because, if De Gea throws his toys out, we'd be losing that whatever course of action we take.
Gets the fans on his side.
277 pages about the contract of a player. The club's ambition should be that those threads never become longer than 100 pages really. 
If you go back to page 1 it's like a look back at long past history.
If you go back to page 1 it's like a look back at long past history.
In what world would Madrid give up on one of the most brilliant keepers in the world because he didn't play the previous season? As if he would turn to crap for several months. That's beyond delusional.
Why on earth would he sign a new contract when he can walk away next Summer for nothing? He could then negotiate a fat signing-on fee with whoever signs him.
This shambles should have been sorted out ages ago. We're into the new season and we don't even know who our first choice goalkeeper will be - or even worse, who we'll have to choose from.
A year out of the top level and with the youth coaches could see him regress in the areas he has improved on since he joined and could ruin his career and we all know Madrid boo boys wont take poor performances from there players, all he has to do is sign the contract so both parties win otherwise he loses and we lose, does he really think they are going to pay him what he is worth after a year out.
Why does it happen in the vast majority of cases nowadays then? Players sign new contracts before they're sold, it's commonplace in the current market.
Answer: because it benefits both relevant parties.
Thinking the same thing.
Because being brilliant one season doesn't guarentee brilliance in the next. Especially if there's a big fat 12 months of no top level football in between those two seasons. Who said anything about him turning to crap? The point is that a year is a very long time in football. Especially if you happen to not play at all in that year, while every other top or rising keeper does.
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