Louis Van Gaal | 2015-16 Performance Thread

Van Gaal: The verdict

  • 1) Sack him now.

  • 2) Sack him at the end of the season.

  • 3) Let him see out his contract and part ways after that.

  • 4) Extend his contract.

  • Undecided (between 1 and 2).

  • Undecided (between 2 and 3).

  • Undecided (between 3 and 4, if things improve before his contract expires, extend).


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He must be stopped! :lol:

It's not funny mate, LvG has got to go. United won the title just three years ago and now we're fighting to make top 4? Give it another decade and we'll be fighting to stay in the prem!

First he got rid of rvp, I didn't say anything because he was over the hill. Then he got rid of AdM, I didn't say anything because he was a huge pussy. Then he got rid of Chicharito, I didn't say anything because he wasn't good enough. Eventually he'll get rid of everyone and it will just be the fans and LvG sitting in OT... until he decides to get rid of us as well.
 
It's not funny mate, LvG has got to go. United won the title just three years ago and now we're fighting to make top 4? Give it another decade and we'll be fighting to stay in the prem!

First he got rid of rvp, I didn't say anything because he was over the hill. Then he got rid of AdM, I didn't say anything because he was a huge pussy. Then he got rid of Chicharito, I didn't say anything because he wasn't good enough. Eventually he'll get rid of everyone and it will just be the fans and LvG sitting in OT... until he decides to get rid of us as well.

So you agree with everyone he's got rid of so far?
 
Shit football, shit manager, shit team.

He's made watching United an absolute chore. I turned off once Swansea scored the second, as you just knew the game was over.
:eek: Samwise!
 
At this rate he might as well rename himself Aerys Targaryen.

Now it all makes sense why we've sold so many strikers. Who needs firepower when your champion is FIRE!?
 
I know, I know. Its not something I'm proud of.

But tbh, I'm even struggling to get through the games we're winning atm, its just so boring and pointless.
To honest I did the same about 20 mins before the final whistle, I didn't turn it off just put my iPad down and played with my little boy while looking over now and again.
It'll get better, it has to.
 
So you agree with everyone he's got rid of so far?


Nope, disagree with most of them. He is panic selling so he has an excuse when we play like shit and don't get results "the shquad ish too short, thish ish the fault of Edward Woodward". Can't wait till we're fighting to stay in the top half of the table because that is where we are headed with this fraud leading us.
 
Can you imagine if we're a couple of goals down against the Scouse on September 12th, with only Fellaini on the bench to look to for goal? Can you imagine if we lose because Benteke bullies Blind?

This is the biggest United vs Liverpool game for years.
Doubt were going to see a revolt at the scouse game, remember the dicking we got under Moyes? Stood there for 20 odd minutes after the final whilst belting out "20 times".

so you would rather stick to him till the end of his contract if he continues like that? He will destroy the team completely while winning nothing. Moyes was SAF's pick and LVG was proven choice and possibly best available manager at that time, the change was needed..

No United fan likes to see what's been happening for last two years but perhaps it's not always that simple.. next time we should do better
I think we need to wait until the summer before making any decision. There's only one manager I would sack him for and that's Pep but some will probably argue against that and right fully so as there's no guarantee that he will do any better than LVG but the thought of him joining City next season is somewhat frightening. We well be kicking ourselves for years if we don't make an approach for him in the summer.
 
Will we ever have a manager that has the balls to drop Rooney when he's this bad?
 
Doubt were going to see a revolt at the scouse game, remember the dicking we got under Moyes? Stood there for 20 odd minutes after the final whilst belting out "20 times".

I think we need to wait until the summer before making any decision. There's only one manager I would sack him for and that's Pep but some will probably argue against that and right fully so as there's no guarantee that he will do any better than LVG but the thought of him joining City next season is somewhat frightening. We well be kicking ourselves for years if we don't make an approach for him in the summer.

Yeah but people were singing in defiance of the enemy, not in support of Moyes. The fans were already peeved Moyes had hailed Liverpool as favourites. After the way they beat us that day he was toast, the City game immediately after just confirmed it.

If Liverpool beat us 2-1 and it's close the fans will forgive him. If they dick all over us, especially after they just got smacked about by West Ham, I think the mood could change. Maybe not inside the ground, but outside afterwards people will be more vocal than they have been. Once that begins its only a matter of time before it enters the stadium. Don't forget it's an evening game. People will have been drinking for a long time. Walls will be down, blood will be up.
 
Wow, so disappointed with the start of the season and now this fiasco. Wtf is he doing getting rid of two players he saw as strikers and then bringing in somebody who's a talent but nothing more than Januzaj who also had PL experience. The whole De Gea shite as well. fecking well pissed off quite frankly, put me on a downer only Star Wars can fix :mad::mad:

FFS we're going to basically have Memphis and Martial carrying all the burden :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
Wow, so disappointed with the start of the season and now this fiasco. Wtf is he doing getting rid of two players he saw as strikers and then bringing in somebody who's a talent but nothing more than Januzaj who also had PL experience. The whole De Gea shite as well. fecking well pissed off quite frankly, put me on a downer only Star Wars can fix :mad::mad:

FFS we're going to basically have Memphis and Martial carrying all the burden :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

"Help us, Obi-Wan Frogie; you're our only hope."

:lol:
 
nd yet we see us taking a bloody long time to find his magical philosophy. The problems are there on full display; lack of movement, lack of risk taking, not playing our creative players on a consistent basis, taking them off for mindless hoofball.

Well, aspects of it are working. We are playing out from the back, comfortable on the ball; we aren't the headless chickens we used to be. It isn't working in the attacking sense because there is a clear lack of pace and it's becoming predictable. Yeah, lack of risk taking as is apparent from Memphis playing every game this season and having the freedom to do what he wants. If you're going to make an assertion, back it up with facts.

And yes it is pathetic and brainless. If you want to argue, "use his resources", you're a moron.

Yeah, I'm a moron for disagreeing with you on football. Nice job having a mature, sensible discussion. What are you, 12?

If you want to argue using Fellaini as a resource, he should have come on for Bastian who wasn't having a good game so he could provide a platform for Memphis and Herrera and Shaw to play off him as we did well in the big games last season. Not planting him int he box for spray and pray tactics.

Fellaini fot Schweinsteiger is a poor idea because he isn't a holding midfielder; he doesn't have the technique for it, he can't do it as was apparent last year or during the Moyes era. It's like replacing a Ferrari with a budget car. You talk about Fellaini last season, when did he play as a number 6? Carrick was 6, Herrera was 8 and Fellaini was the 10. When Carrick was injured, Herrera was the 6. There's a difference between using Fellaini as a last ditch idea to rescue a point and doing so from the first minute. If it was the latter, I'd agree with you.
 
I don't blame LvG for all the dullness, I think if our strikers had taken their chances better we would be all smiles. Against Swansea we had three 1-on-1 with their keeper which resulted zero goals. That's not title winning stats, is it?
 
I don't blame LvG for all the dullness, I think if our strikers had taken their chances better we would be all smiles. Against Swansea we had three 1-on-1 with their keeper which resulted zero goals. That's not title winning stats, is it?
Rooney missed them all, and has been woeful for months bar the Brugge game Van Gaal has got rid of every bit of competition he had, and starts him every game.
 
I actually think Van Gaal's done well in everything except for his inexplicable inability to drop or sub out Rooney.
 
I really think LVG's hands are being tied when it comes to Rooney. There is no other rational reason for a man like him, who has managed some of the world's best players, could be satisfied with a player of Rooney's skill level.
In international competition does anyone think that any top country fears England with Rooney as their main player? In club football does anyone fear United with Rooney as the main striker? Lets face facts if Rooney was not English he would have been long gone from Utd.
Also, with the exception of Messi and Ronaldo, I don't care who we bring in they are going to fail because Rooney will not link up well with them and he will get the ball to the right wing so that he can meet a cross into the box rather than look to set them up.
The recent interplay with Memphis was initiated by Memphis so as to set up Rooney. Memphis will fail just like diMaria, Falcao, Nani and RVP (post Sir Alex ).
 
All for replacing LVG if he doesn't deliver at the end of the season, but everyone seems to be mentioning Klopp like last season never happened.
 
All for replacing LVG if he doesn't deliver at the end of the season, but everyone seems to be mentioning Klopp like last season never happened.

It's impossible to deny Klopp did a great job at Dortmund, but if he's going to get the credit for two league titles, a domestic double and making a Champions League final, he ought to get a fair chunk of criticism for what happened last season. They were 17th at one point in the middle of last season. United fans have this sense of Klopp mania. What if he comes in and the performances don't improve after 18 months? It's all hypothetical I know.
 
All for replacing LVG if he doesn't deliver at the end of the season, but everyone seems to be mentioning Klopp like last season never happened.

Even then, one bad season doesn't make him not good enough. Van Gaal wouldn't have been near the United job if that was the case. Not that I am saying that I want LVG out or Klopp in. He did a great job on the whole at Dortmund and maybe it just couldn't work for them and him anymore. It'll be very interesting to see how he does in his next job.
 
It's impossible to deny Klopp did a great job at Dortmund, but if he's going to get the credit for two league titles, a domestic double and making a Champions League final, he ought to get a fair chunk of criticism for what happened last season. They were 17th at one point in the middle of last season. United fans have this sense of Klopp mania. What if he comes in and the performances don't improve after 18 months? It's all hypothetical I know.

Yup, true. There is no guarantee.
There is too much of hysteria in fans nowadays. The worst part is, it snowballs at exponential rate due to social media. Just see the panic here on loaning Wilson yesterday. I doubt any of them were considering him as serious first team player this season. Yet when he is supposedly getting chance for more game minutes because of loan(this also means a new incoming signing to me), people went crazy. Chicharito was not doing any good this season and his confidence looked shot but I get feeling that LvG is to be blamed for that too. So, football fans generally form some opinion about who is good or bad, who is nice guy and who is bad guy and then go on rationalizing it endlessly. Then of course journos add fuel to fire.
 
Even then, one bad season doesn't make him not good enough. Van Gaal wouldn't have been near the United job if that was the case. Not that I am saying that I want LVG out or Klopp in. He did a great job on the whole at Dortmund and maybe it just couldn't work for them and him anymore. It'll be very interesting to see how he does in his next job.

Yes, but he didn't just have a bad season, he had a terrible season (by the standards people hold him to), but the way he is being touted here without caution would make you think he is definitely going to succeed.

These days if he is not Pep,Mourinho,Simeone or Klopp then he is not a good coach, which is a lie.
 
Well, aspects of it are working. We are playing out from the back, comfortable on the ball; we aren't the headless chickens we used to be. It isn't working in the attacking sense because there is a clear lack of pace and it's becoming predictable. Yeah, lack of risk taking as is apparent from Memphis playing every game this season and having the freedom to do what he wants. If you're going to make an assertion, back it up with facts.



Yeah, I'm a moron for disagreeing with you on football. Nice job having a mature, sensible discussion. What are you, 12?



Fellaini fot Schweinsteiger is a poor idea because he isn't a holding midfielder; he doesn't have the technique for it, he can't do it as was apparent last year or during the Moyes era. It's like replacing a Ferrari with a budget car. You talk about Fellaini last season, when did he play as a number 6? Carrick was 6, Herrera was 8 and Fellaini was the 10. When Carrick was injured, Herrera was the 6. There's a difference between using Fellaini as a last ditch idea to rescue a point and doing so from the first minute. If it was the latter, I'd agree with you.

1. That is not risk taking. You think playing a young attacking player every game is taking risks? Taking risks means not playing conservatively like we do, and we do it in the extreme. The fact that he refuses to use a player like Herrera speaks volumes.

2. Who said anything about holding midfield? Carrick was on the field to play at the base of midfield for that. Re read what I said. His physicality should have been used in midfield and behind the strikers like we did in our win streak. We had him and Herrera playing ahead of Carrick at the base of a midfield 3.

3. We already had players on the field who could open them up. He chose to take them all off. It's a "tactic" that is clearly predictable, and is so easy to defend against. Monk must've been laughing to himself. What we needed that day was pace up front. We had the suppliers for killer balls from midfield, and Hernandez on the bench. But no. He opted for mindless hoofball.
 
1. That is not risk taking. You think playing a young attacking player every game is taking risks? Taking risks means not playing conservatively like we do, and we do it in the extreme. The fact that he refuses to use a player like Herrera speaks volumes.

2. Who said anything about holding midfield? Carrick was on the field to play at the base of midfield for that. Re read what I said. His physicality should have been used in midfield and behind the strikers like we did in our win streak. We had him and Herrera playing ahead of Carrick at the base of a midfield 3.

3. We already had players on the field who could open them up. He chose to take them all off. It's a "tactic" that is clearly predictable, and is so easy to defend against. Monk must've been laughing to himself. What we needed that day was pace up front. We had the suppliers for killer balls from midfield, and Hernandez on the bench. But no. He opted for mindless hoofball.

1. No, I don't think that is all, the operative word in my post being "doing what he wants" which includes taking some ridiculous punts at goal and trying to beat a man at times when Shaw was in a better position. Van Gaal gives roles to players; the ones who are supposed to provide the attacking thrust are Mata, the number 10, Memphis and Rooney. It is another matter that there is a lack of pace there. This Herrera stuff, he played against Swansea, didn't help us much, did it? Besides, now that Januzaj is gone, he's likely to start at number 10. He hasn't used him because we have better options for the 2 in midfield. It's not because he dislikes Herrera or something like that.

2. We play a 4-2-3-1 system. The 2 in midfield are holding midfielders, something van Gaal alluded to when he talked about Herrera and the "double 6". We play 4-2-3-1 because it leaves us less open on the counter than the 4-3-3. Van Gaal is not going to switch to a system we are vulnerable in away to a decent team like Swansea, especially when we're trailing. The 4-3-3 win streak was based on a different formation to what we employ now. We may go back to that, but for now, the 4-2-3-1 is here to stay. Which is why I said that Fellaini isn't a holding midfielder.

3. The same players who "could" open them up did nothing for 70 minutes. Herrera was anonymous, Memphis was poor, Rooney....

I agree with you, we need pace up front. However, Fellaini in midfield isn't going to produce that; we need signings for that to happen. The "mindless hoofball" as you call it was used because van Gaal believed that we would get more joy using that tactic instead of Hernandez. It was a tactic simply to get a result, not some deep football philosophy tactic which says anything about the way van Gaal plays the game. Fair enough, you could argue that he may have used Hernandez but to read too much into this Fellaini in the last 20 minutes is unfair. Who cares what Gary Monk or anybody else thinks? Honestly, United fans are more bothered about how we come across, if all this talk of "embarrassment" and the like is considered.
 
To honest I did the same about 20 mins before the final whistle, I didn't turn it off just put my iPad down and played with my little boy while looking over now and again.
It'll get better, it has to.

No it doesn't.


Bayern second season has begun by the looks of some of these posts.

Yep it looks like this season will be a spitting image of that, he's just an outdated as a manager. Starting to lose faith in him and i had barely to begin.
 
1. No, I don't think that is all, the operative word in my post being "doing what he wants" which includes taking some ridiculous punts at goal and trying to beat a man at times when Shaw was in a better position. Van Gaal gives roles to players; the ones who are supposed to provide the attacking thrust are Mata, the number 10, Memphis and Rooney. It is another matter that there is a lack of pace there. This Herrera stuff, he played against Swansea, didn't help us much, did it? Besides, now that Januzaj is gone, he's likely to start at number 10. He hasn't used him because we have better options for the 2 in midfield. It's not because he dislikes Herrera or something like that.

2. We play a 4-2-3-1 system. The 2 in midfield are holding midfielders, something van Gaal alluded to when he talked about Herrera and the "double 6". We play 4-2-3-1 because it leaves us less open on the counter than the 4-3-3. Van Gaal is not going to switch to a system we are vulnerable in away to a decent team like Swansea, especially when we're trailing. The 4-3-3 win streak was based on a different formation to what we employ now. We may go back to that, but for now, the 4-2-3-1 is here to stay. Which is why I said that Fellaini isn't a holding midfielder.

3. The same players who "could" open them up did nothing for 70 minutes. Herrera was anonymous, Memphis was poor, Rooney....

I agree with you, we need pace up front. However, Fellaini in midfield isn't going to produce that; we need signings for that to happen. The "mindless hoofball" as you call it was used because van Gaal believed that we would get more joy using that tactic instead of Hernandez. It was a tactic simply to get a result, not some deep football philosophy tactic which says anything about the way van Gaal plays the game. Fair enough, you could argue that he may have used Hernandez but to read too much into this Fellaini in the last 20 minutes is unfair. Who cares what Gary Monk or anybody else thinks? Honestly, United fans are more bothered about how we come across, if all this talk of "embarrassment" and the like is considered.

1. I meant we don't take enough risks on offence as a team. We're too safe, is what I meant. Sure we have attacking roles given to players but our set up is so rigid and overthought.

2. Fair enough about double holdings and him wanting 2 holdings I see your point. But he should've made the switch to our 4-3-3 imo.

3. I referenced Gary Monk not because of our image, but laughing to himself because it's embarrassingly predictable and easy to defend against.
 
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Van Gaal resign now over Woody's inability to sign the players he wanted for a genuine challenge (unless there is a very surprising last minute turn of events today)
 
There is both positives and negatives with LvG.

I like that he is a leader for the team, takes pressure on himself and flocks players that are not good enough.

On the other side, his football is dire and from the outside it looks like he is too strict (see the Rojo example). Also, not letting our creative players have more freedom to try something, which seems like was something that made di Maria not wanting to stay.

He says the right things mostly, but the talk doesn't equal the performance on the pitch. Can't say i'm too happy with him as our Manager, he kinda sucks out all the fun, but maybe he will get us playing better in the future.
 
LvG has it all to prove now. I don't disagree with a single of the outgoings. Januzaj regressed quite a bit. People forget his performances dropped under Moyes and he barely featured under Moyes by the second half of the season. Last season when he did play he was terrible with the few chances he was given. You see some proper nonsense on here sometimes. LvG should've kept RvP? I highly doubt RvP would've accepted a position as a substitute. He wants, and probably deserves to be the main man somewhere. Even if he would have, do we really want probably the second highest earner on the wage bill to be a substitute striker?

I think it's ludicrous that people think Woodward signs players without LvG's direct input, or is clearing house to appease the Glazers. It's nonsense. We've seen LvG's modus operandi now. For the past two seasons he's identified early on who is staying for sure as a regular, and given a few match appearances early in the season in the first few matches to evaluate who deserves a spot. Young, Herrera made the grade. Hernandez and Januzaj didn't. It's bloody hard to argue with his judgment too. He's made a few surprise evaluations as well. Nobody thought Young, Valencia or Fellaini would still be here. But, fair play, they put in a proper shift under Van Gaal.

This is certainly his team now. the bar is so much higher than Moyes now. This is his team, his players and his philosophy now. He's got it all to prove now. I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm excited for the new signings, and I hope for progress.
 
Wow, so disappointed with the start of the season and now this fiasco. Wtf is he doing getting rid of two players he saw as strikers and then bringing in somebody who's a talent but nothing more than Januzaj who also had PL experience. The whole De Gea shite as well. fecking well pissed off quite frankly, put me on a downer only Star Wars can fix :mad::mad:

FFS we're going to basically have Memphis and Martial carrying all the burden :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I don't understand how people can make such pre-emptive assumptions, presumably without even watching Martial in the first place. Januzaj was class in 2013/14 but since then he has failed to reach similar heights and has frankly been disappointing on the whole but the talent is still there. Every player develops their talent in different ways/speeds and have different ceilings. Why not wait a couple of years and then decide if he's nothing more than Januzaj rather than posting such concluding statements?
 
I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Van Gaal resign now over Woody's inability to sign the players he wanted for a genuine challenge (unless there is a very surprising last minute turn of events today)

:lol: Like Muller, Bale, Neymar and co.? How do you know for sure who we were going after and whether Woody was the reason we couldn't get them rather than them/their club not being open to the move?
 
:lol: Like Muller, Bale, Neymar and co.? How do you know for sure who we were going after and whether Woody was the reason we couldn't get them rather than them/their club not being open to the move?
I don't know. But after those ones you mentioned there are more realistic players liked Griezeman, Reus and Cavani. I'm sure we could have got those if we tried hard enough. We're Man United.
 
I think this will be his last season, either we finish outside to four in which case he will have to go or we finish well off the pace and scrape into top four and with plenty of rebuilding still required it will be time to install someone who can take the club forward in medium/longer term.

I really can't see the logic in handing LVG large sums of money next summer when he intends to retire, Unless there is a dramatic improvement this season which looking at the squad I can't see happening.

He has implemented his philosophy and it is nothing revolutionary and is unlikely to bring much success, he has improved possession but that's not much of an achievement given the rigid formation, lack of risks etc. for me his achievements will be him moving the club on from SAF, being bold and decisive and leaving a platform for his successor. I almost feel a top four finish and his work is done here and longer he stays the less successful he will be.
 
This is what pisses me of, last season he sold Welbeck, but brang in Falcao, and he sent nani on loan, and brang in ADM, and also sent Hernandez on loan, while bringing Wilson into the first team

But now he sells/gets rid of Falcao, RVP, Hernandez, Nani, ADM, Januzaj, and in those positions only bringning in Depay and Martial, very very poor squad management that is

Plus Rooney is past it, while Wilson in short cameos he had doesnt impress me, seems like an inferior version of Welbeck, just runs alot