I didn't want us to lose Nani either
But cmon "performance after performance" for Memphis? 6 games in his entire Utd career....
Getting rid of Nani
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But cmon "performance after performance" for Memphis? 6 games in his entire Utd career....
Hes better than every single player we currently have in attack other than Mata. But I would say that.....
Just talking about all of Memphis' performances. I'm sure he'' be a top player for us in the future but right now, he's playing exactly like Nani at his worst, in the PL.
How often was Nani booed?
8 seasons of utter rubbish apart from a few months where he looked class.......Nani was like Anderson in that he always became twice the player a few months before it was time to negotiate his contract.....he was a passenger only willing to give 75% most of the time....delighted he's gone
Nani and RVP should have simply not been sold. Unfortunately, football is a business and they were heavy on our finances.
No,He wasn't good enough.
Wow...Just Wow.
He is up there with the most unintelligent footballers I have ever seen, he had all the tools physically, even had superb technique, but it is all controlled by the brain, and that's where it fell down, he was given numerous chances by the best manager of all time in a very liberal system and still couldn't hack it, then Gollum game him a ridiculous new contract, getting rid of him and his wages was a definite positive this window.
Never quite good enough so not at all sad he has gone.
Indeed and then refused go play him
When you look back at certain things, the club isn't run particularly well is it.
Rafael, Nani and Hernandez annoy me. Rafa I'd just renew contract as a pay as you play. Hernandez just needed an arm around him and some people moaned about Nani forgetting he had been injured for a long period. He can produce moments of magic though and you look at our bench now, and we're relying completely on youth and Fellaini. Nani was our best winger and all three were at good ages. Rafael, Hernandez were friends of De Gea - maybe Nani - and I think if we had them, we could challenge for the league. The team spirit was good. I know LVG said it was be like this but again it's like attempting to cut your own hair and then shaving a part of leaving you basically bald in part. Guys got balls but hopefully it'll work out.
Do you have a really short memory? He was shit for us last few years and he never used his pace. If we werent gonna keep ADM we werent gonna keep Nani.
our current set up would have been ace for Nani
That would be more sentimentality than anything else..I would have kept Chicha seeing as we have no second choice senior striker.
The Rooney contract tops it
And yet there he is, playing for Fenerbache in Turkey.
I agree. Pedro would have been an ideal replacement for Nani. Nevertheless, Nani was barely a regular when he was here at United in the last few season, so it was not a terrible decision to let him go.
Did you leave a part of your post out where there was a point?
What does playing in turkey have to do with him still being fast and able to beat a man?
Rooney was actually in good form when that happened. He was our best outfield player that season. Nani was given a new contract and then Moyes preceded to not play him.
If his ability to use pace and skills to beat a man were as significant as you claim, he would be at a bigger and better club than where he is now.
He peaked years ago, and we were stupid not to let go of him sooner.
Not really there are plenty of fast tricky players at all levels of the game but that's beside the point.
Seems like you are trying to move the goal posts now. Your original post was at best an exaggeration and at worst a load or rubbish.
United released him not because he isn't fast and can't still beat a man, but for a variety of reasons. He gets injured a lot, has consistency problems, maybe also a mentality problem, his decision making can be poor, probably couldn't adapt Van Gaal's philosophy and was on too big a salary to be a fringe player. Those are the same reasons he isn't at another big club either.
And yeah he did peak a few years back and we probably should have moved him on earlier i agree, but Ferguson and then Moyes thought it was worth while holding onto him because he is a supremely talented player. They were wrong but hindsight is great isn't it.
Considering Nani spent last season out on loan what is this about Pedro replacing him?
Nani's replacement as seen through his footballing ability. We are not particularly stocked at the moment with wide players who can beat a man and is productive in front of goal
Nani has not been productive for us for several years now. So yeah Pedro being a good addition has nothing to do with Nani
Even though he lacked overall productivity in terms of being consistent and hardworking, Nani was still one of our few or only wingers who were able to produce those traits aforementioned. Pedro would have been a major upgrade and a good replacement towards those traits we lacked.
Nani can't really beat a man anymore. He used to have raw pace, but he's definitely lost if over the last year or two.
less than 15 starts over them 2 years, so what the talent has always been there and keeping him would have been better than what the current set up had offered. The difference is ADM forced his way out, where as Nani was forced out
In the position we're in now, then it has to be a yes. He'd arguably be our most talented winger had he still been here.
Agreed. I feel the same way about RVP and Evans; we needed to get rid of them, or at least get better players and move them into lesser roles, to be title challengers but never got the improvements.
I'm a fan of Nani, always have been but I recently watched him with Portugal and he really seems to be past his best. He has always been inconsistent, but you could always see the greatness. I don't see that anymore.
He wasnt good enough for a few reasons.
I'll always consider Nani one of the great 'what-ifs'.
What would have happened if he'd been made first choice right winger, we'll never know. For the vast majority of his career with us he was used on the left wing, but the only time he ever got a good run of games on the right wing he ended up being our player of the year and should have won the premierleague player of the year. Don't get me wrong, he was capable of some absolute brilliance when on the left as well and indeed many of his very best games were from the left. But his 'average' performance on the right was far better than his 'average' performance on the left. I don't feel this way about anyone else, but to be honest I think the club failed Nani to some extent. We fecked him around so that Valencia could play on the right, when we should have went out and strengthened our left side to allow Nani to stay on the right.
What would have happened if he'd been made first choice right winger, we'll never know. For the vast majority of his career with us he was used on the left wing, but the only time he ever got a good run of games on the right wing he ended up being our player of the year and should have won the premierleague player of the year. Don't get me wrong, he was capable of some absolute brilliance when on the left as well and indeed many of his very best games were from the left. But his 'average' performance on the right was far better than his 'average' performance on the left. I don't feel this way about anyone else, but to be honest I think the club failed Nani to some extent. We fecked him around so that Valencia could play on the right, when we should have went out and strengthened our left side to allow Nani to stay on the right.
I think people are probably influenced by out recent poor displays going forward when thinking about Nani, because most of you seem to forget that for the most part he was poor.
Yes he could beat a man, yes he could put in a cross or score a goal. How ever he was only ever 'good' for a few months at the time, most of his time here was spent putting in very inconsistent performances, making the wrong decisions more often than not, being very greedy and not really working for the team. How many times did we see him blast a shot over from 30 yards instead of a cross/pass or how many times he tried to take on as many men as possible when a pass was the most obvious option?
I don't think Nani would of fit into Van Gaal's team because he doesn't work for the team and he's not flexible. You can only really play him on the wings, anywhere else... he was worst than he was on the wings.
People have to remember that Nani would of been watched extensively out on loan last season and despite his good performances, someone saw something that merited the decision not to bring him back.
Yes he could beat a man, yes he could put in a cross or score a goal. How ever he was only ever 'good' for a few months at the time, most of his time here was spent putting in very inconsistent performances, making the wrong decisions more often than not, being very greedy and not really working for the team. How many times did we see him blast a shot over from 30 yards instead of a cross/pass or how many times he tried to take on as many men as possible when a pass was the most obvious option?
I don't think Nani would of fit into Van Gaal's team because he doesn't work for the team and he's not flexible. You can only really play him on the wings, anywhere else... he was worst than he was on the wings.
People have to remember that Nani would of been watched extensively out on loan last season and despite his good performances, someone saw something that merited the decision not to bring him back.
I think the reason we havent got pace is more down to LVG's tactics. But yes I think it was a mistake.
Nani would also have have to operate the within the realms of 'philosophy'. He might have been better than most considering he had no problems slowing things down. Oh well, a victim of change I guess.
Last season i did sometimes wonder if Nani would have contributed more than Di Maria. But something i made peace with a while ago was Nani was too hit and miss for a big club like United (probably the reason why no other top club came sniffing when he was looking for clubs), on his day he could be world class but in his last 2 seasons for us when did that ever happen? 1 great game vs 15 average/frustrating ones isnt a good trade.
Players like Hernandez, Kagawa, Nani, Welbeck just arent United quality and we should stop thinking about what they could offer and judge them on what they were actually producing.
Players like Hernandez, Kagawa, Nani, Welbeck just arent United quality and we should stop thinking about what they could offer and judge them on what they were actually producing.
People talk Nani being inconsistent and not producing. Fair enough he had many poor games but even when he was apparently inconsistent he was still producing assists more often than any other player. Nani is 3rd in all time assists for Man Utd players in premier league and that's with him playing probably not even half the amount of games as all the other players on that list.
I would of liked us to have kept him as he has that bit of magic we often miss these days but he was never going to work playing under the sort of style and restrictions Van Gaal puts in place.
I would of liked us to have kept him as he has that bit of magic we often miss these days but he was never going to work playing under the sort of style and restrictions Van Gaal puts in place.
Thats the funny thing isnt it. Nani statistically wasnt a bad player for us, I just feel like too much was expected of him and every bad thing he did was over analysed.
In my opinion and i repeat "my opinion"...Prioritising Valencia above him is one of the reasons we declined so badly in our quality of play. I always used to say, Valencia could never be a regular for any of the other top european teams let alone make their bench.
Another romantic notion with no foundation in reality. Nani was poor for years.