Strange comment considering Mike and Blind are always in half way line when we are attacking.
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Strange comment considering Mike and Blind are always in half way line when we are attacking.
Playing with a high line doesn't amount to committing men forward in the relevant sense. We're not particularly attacking. We don't create particularly many chances. We don't attempt to hit the target particularly often. This is what people mean when they accuse us of being too pragmatic - or too cautious, or too bloody dull.
The fact that we don't park the bus and crowd our own box isn't proof against this assertion. Everyone knows what basic brand of football LVG prefers, and on paper his set-up isn't shockingly negative or defensive. It's the practical outcome of it people have a problem with more than anything. There are many posters on here, for instance, who don't have anything against possession football as such - but who nevertheless find LVG's current brand of it hard to watch.
The fact that we don't park the bus and crowd our own box isn't proof against this assertion. Everyone knows what basic brand of football LVG prefers, and on paper his set-up isn't shockingly negative or defensive. It's the practical outcome of it people have a problem with more than anything. There are many posters on here, for instance, who don't have anything against possession football as such - but who nevertheless find LVG's current brand of it hard to watch.
Unfortunately many corporations appear to be plagued by the same short-termism, hence the silly chase for 'next quarter's share price'. But that's a discussion for another forum. I agree with your perspective though, right now result is primary.
Don't you know? LVG is a mediocre manager because need to be creating at least 45 shots, basically one every 2 minutes or so. If we do but don't score at least half of those, LVG is crap because he can't coach our players to score.
What does Rio know? He isn't as big a legend as Scholes.
We are definitely not amazing to watch; neither are we easy to beat given out goal conceded stats. It is strange to call that Mourinho team having a winning mentality.
I cant take shots on target for real when hitting post/bar counts as off target.
Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger + Darmian
Obviously our defenders weren't the issue with the defence, which he also pointed out.
But they were shots off target. If a shot hits the post then you can't say it was on target, because it would be in the goal.
Yea but it gives you impression that some baby power shot straight into GK has more value then hitting a bar/post.
Well, it does. A 'baby power shot' still has a chance of ending up in a goal courtesy of keeping error while hitting the post is just another shot off target and has no chance of going in.
That's the problem with stats in general. They don't reflect the actual nature of an "assist", a "chance created" or a "shot on target".
In this case, though, it's at least logical. The target is the goal, not the goal post.
We are much improved in fact night and day since Lvg took over. Yes we can be frustrating and hard to watch but he's gave us solidity and a possession based core to build from.
He has been unlucky with his attacking buys (Falcao, ADM plus add in RVP demise) and this is the next step for his process. Talk of spending £200m + is a bit misguided as 1. We are playing catch up to teams that already have splashed the cash 2. The spending was needed as the amount of deadwood was frightening 3.
In comparison to the teams around us have we really spent that much more when ins and outs are calculated? I think Lvg is doing a sterling job although unspectacular it is sure fast and solid.
He should be given our backing (fans) and time (board) to get the balance between attacking and being solid. This might mean a couple of new attackers with pace come in (so be it) what he has done so far has impressed me overall and I've not been without my wtf moments especially his substitutions but he is doing a building a fantastic base for us going forward.
He has been unlucky with his attacking buys (Falcao, ADM plus add in RVP demise) and this is the next step for his process. Talk of spending £200m + is a bit misguided as 1. We are playing catch up to teams that already have splashed the cash 2. The spending was needed as the amount of deadwood was frightening 3.
In comparison to the teams around us have we really spent that much more when ins and outs are calculated? I think Lvg is doing a sterling job although unspectacular it is sure fast and solid.
He should be given our backing (fans) and time (board) to get the balance between attacking and being solid. This might mean a couple of new attackers with pace come in (so be it) what he has done so far has impressed me overall and I've not been without my wtf moments especially his substitutions but he is doing a building a fantastic base for us going forward.
I think rooney has van gaal's daughters sex tape or something. How absurd is this.
then should he say to the media that wayne rooney is playing only because he is captain?
Our attack is so embarassing, it has nothing to do with patience from fans or with time that a manager needs. It's just far below the standards.
He should drop him. Say to the media that he is dropped despite him being a captain.
he is slowly improving. he has played better of late than earlier in the season. plus we have injuries so we can hardly drop him now.
You know he's not actually able to play Vardy instead of Rooney?
Or is there another striker at United I've never heard off with better stats than Rooney?
Fair point actually, I thought you'd intertwined real life and a game of fifa you were playing or something
But it's really relevant since you know like Leicester are a team that bombs forward at pace all the time whereas LVGs United are also known for doing that..
I dont understand the point you are trying to make? United play better without ronney in the team. Watford was the latest example of it. I d rather play depay uptop with martial in a similar formation as against watford.
Out of curiosity, who plays the role of Herrera?
Surprised how tactically inept LVG has been, he has the ability to set up a well coached and organised team but if things aren't going to plan he seems clueless in terms of tactics and substitutions. The current plan b of hoofing it to fellaini is comical.
What are the other examples?
I'm a stats man and that stat is terrible for us.
If we are going to be mentioned in the same sentence as Real, Bayern and Barca, we have to be getting similar numbers to those teams. We are so far down, we're not even close.
Basically, PSG have replaced MUFC, in the "BIG FOUR" group.
Rooney was injured, I think for 1 game earlier this season. That was against LFC, I believe. We won that game.
So, he missed 2 EPL games this season and we won both of them.
This is not a big enough sample, though.
Dont see any point going on about it further but how do you mean hitting a post has no chance going in,you know its round,right? It can go in off post,or if you mention GK error,also with some luck can go in after hitting a GK in his back etc.
Its pretty clear that if a shot has hit the post and it's not gone in, it wasn't on target....
Yea i know but discussion passed a point of shots on/off target.
I remember rawkites using the same argument - yay we hit the post the most times in the PL!
Yea they found them self tones of unlucky,like they cursed etc. giving them a reason to mention us,devils,Sir Alex etc.
Funnily enough I remember saying the same about Ronaldo in 06/07, if even half of his off the post went in he'd have scored loads. Roll forward a year and they did!
Sadly it was the same scenario for Liverpool.
I voted undecided between 2 or 3. But actually it's more like between 2 or 4 because things change.
At this moment in time, I'm happy for him to remain at the helm until the end of the season at least. If we somehow maintain our position and end up finishing second or indeed winning the league, then how can we really fault the upturn since taking over from Moyes' massacre. If he wins the League surely he has to stay on and next season may be another year of pushing on which would (fingers crossed) see us playing with some attraction again. That said, I don't think we will win it, but I'm always slightly glass half empty!
Basically, if we end up slipping down the table and don't have a decent cup run, whilst still playing this mundane monotonous brand of football then I think this season could be the end as long as we have a decent replacement lined up.
If we continue to play the sideways humdrum style but achieve results-wise e.g wining silverware, then we have to keep him and hope for the best next season in terms of adding style to the substance.
I do hate that so many people want change at this stage of the season as I don't see what possible good that would do. I don't think Giggs stepping in right now would make any real difference until the end of the season and other than Ancelotti who else is out there?
I have to admit though it is galling to see the Scousers playing attractive vigorous football (albeit for only 2 or 3 games) while we trundle slowl up the pitch from side to side!
At this moment in time, I'm happy for him to remain at the helm until the end of the season at least. If we somehow maintain our position and end up finishing second or indeed winning the league, then how can we really fault the upturn since taking over from Moyes' massacre. If he wins the League surely he has to stay on and next season may be another year of pushing on which would (fingers crossed) see us playing with some attraction again. That said, I don't think we will win it, but I'm always slightly glass half empty!
Basically, if we end up slipping down the table and don't have a decent cup run, whilst still playing this mundane monotonous brand of football then I think this season could be the end as long as we have a decent replacement lined up.
If we continue to play the sideways humdrum style but achieve results-wise e.g wining silverware, then we have to keep him and hope for the best next season in terms of adding style to the substance.
I do hate that so many people want change at this stage of the season as I don't see what possible good that would do. I don't think Giggs stepping in right now would make any real difference until the end of the season and other than Ancelotti who else is out there?
I have to admit though it is galling to see the Scousers playing attractive vigorous football (albeit for only 2 or 3 games) while we trundle slowl up the pitch from side to side!
Darmian would currently be third choice right back behind Valencia and Young were it not for injuries. And fourth choice left back it would seem.
How much has he spent?
So he's improved the defence by filling the team with a defensive midfield. How is that going to help our attack when it comes to improving that?
How strange, what's your definition of on target? If it hits the post or bar, it was not on target?
You're a stats man, but believe shots on target is a good indicator clearly, doesn't that contradict? Shots on target is pointless.
Even if every single shot of ours that hit the post was counted as on target we'd still be absolutely fecking miles below half the teams in our league so I'm not sure why the woodwork is even being discussed.
What do the stats look like when combining shots on and off target? I doubt there would be much of an improvement compared to the other top teams.
Ehm...wait,you think that when ball hits a post...it counts as on target,stat wise?