Shooting in San Bernardino, California
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Yeah, religion is at fault because everyone talks about it here even though there wasn't single evidence that religion has anything to do with this, so far.
I am far from religious person, but can some of you atheists actually live normal life without blaming religion for every fecking problem in the world?
You're agreeing with me but wording it in a way that makes me think you haven't realised you're agreeing with me.
We do not know if religion was a factor. Let the information come out.
What I want to know is did these people get their weapons after going through background checks?
What I want to know is did these people get their weapons after going through background checks?
at least we're never diagnosed as mentally unhingedI say we hold off until the authorities provide some details of his emails/internet searches/books...Unlike Nidal Hassan or the Frenchies, no reports yet of this guy following the template and screaming 'Allahu Akbar' etc etc before gunning down innocents.
It is perfectly reasonable and more than likely this is yet another incident of the widespread pattern of Islamic terrorism we've witnessed over the last x amount of years but until we have confirmation...
F-ing Terrorists...denying Muslim workers the right to act like unhinged wack jobs.
Ah, then I apologise.
Yeah, good one. Care to add anything meaningful instead of resorting to the most base and embarrassing level of attempted condescension?
Dickhead.
I work for the IT department on a school district and I can tell you one thing (geography and history =/= normal american), most of them are ignorant on that aspect even teachers and they keep saying I'm Hispanic to make the things worse, if Trump wins the elections they will deport me to Mexico because they think Portugal must be somewhere in Mexico
Yeah, I read quickly through your post and didn't get it.
Ah I thought so.most of the shootings are between gangs and nobody in US gives 2 flying ... and yesterdays had the foot print of terrorism.
Will be hard for someone to convince his wife to go in a shooting rampage and get killed in the process, so if is not terrorism related everything would be the same.
I have some level IV body armour but I live in Canada. It can be tougher to get in the US due to restrictions in some jurisdictions but I think mostly it's not unlawful to posess but it is unlawful to wear it in public. I remember ODB from the Wu Tang Clan got charged for wearing a vest in the 90s.
you own body armour? What the feck is wrong with you? Unless you're in a SWAT team or on active duty then what possible, non-Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime reason is there to own body armour?
Because I can?
It weighs more than 20lbs and would be a bitch to wear. A pure shits and giggles purchase if there ever was one. Would consider wearing it to the gun range but not too many people are reckless enough to warrant it.
Yes please tell...
Because I can?
It weighs more than 20lbs and would be a bitch to wear. A pure shits and giggles purchase if there ever was one. Would consider wearing it to the gun range but not too many people are reckless enough to warrant it.
The tactical armor that most SWAT teams use is really heavy with ballistic plates, etc. Even has one that drops down to cover the jewels. I think it weghs around 35-40 pounds.
Yeah, mine is similar but without the jewels piece. It's a mix of kevlar and ballistic plates. Couldn't imagine having to conduct operations wearing that plus shoulder plates, etc.
Can't tell if you're taking the piss or not?
Let's see if I get this correct. Man gets pissed off...decides to head home to a virtual "IED factory" to retrieve pipe bombs, guns, ammo and body armor...sweet talks his wife into "gearing up" as well...somehow coerces her to drop off their 6 month old child at Grandma's...loads up the car with all the weapons...all in the name at getting back at Jimmy in the HR Department?
Did I miss anything? Seems like a perfectly normal thing to do after an incident/argument, even if you are bat shit crazy enough to decide on a little dose of work place violence.
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To be fair, you are missing the fact that perfectly normal people don't do this sort of thing.
The FBI has taken over from local law enforcement and is locking down on info leaking out. The US doesn't like admitting terrorist attacks, preferring instead the label 'Workplace Violence' which is what the national media like CNN is now spouting. This is a blueprint that has been followed before. Fort Hood 2.0.
Fixed - as good as my little brain could do. Sentence didn't feel right when I hit submit...but couldn't be arsed to spend more time on it.
Do we know that the FBI took charge or were they invited by local law enforcement as the standard protocol goes? Nothing in this event that would hand the feds jurisdiction that we know of thus far, unless some of the weapons were purchased out of state, perhaps. Otherwise we have to assume their presence was requested.
All I know is what someone who is in LA and has close relatives in the LAPD told me and that is the FBI was there sooner than usual and locked the sheriff's out as soon as they arrived.
Interesting. Could be that the local police called them in right away but owing to California's rather strict gun control laws I'm leaning towards guns being purchased out of state which would probably grant the feds jurisdiction. @Sir Matt ...any clarification would be appreciated.
I agree, certain situations don't merit its use, and it can escalate already tense situations. It was more in response to the people who questioned why they have it at all, and couldn't seem to grasp why they would ever need such things.
CNN Breaking News@cnnbrk5m5 minutes ago
More: #SanBernardino shooter Farook was in touch with terrorism subjects under FBI investigation, sources say. http://cnn.it/1OHBhJv
More: #SanBernardino shooter Farook was in touch with terrorism subjects under FBI investigation, sources say. http://cnn.it/1OHBhJv
Also, the fact that he had returned from Saudi Arabia with a wife who was his accomplice. He may have been on the no-fly list afterwards but as I said the FBI is smothering info from leaking out.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...
Maybe you need to stop looking for conspiracies....see the above post.
I'm watching CNN right now and they have 6/7 guests and a presenter who are pretty unanimously saying the shooter and his wife had terrorist links.
Eh? My post is in agreement with yours.
I'd imagine they jumped in given the nature (size, lack of suicide) of the shooting since they're often involved when events have a lot of casualties or might be political in nature. I think they assisted with the Planned Parenthood shooting last week. Since the shooter's name was out shortly after the shooting on social media, that could have accelerated their response, but I think it's more likely that they were spurred on by the suspects still being on the loose.
In other cases, federal agencies will assist on situations if they're available/nearby and have resources that could be useful. While I'm sure the SBPD/SBSO have very good SWAT teams, the FBI has their own that is likely better equipped and prepared.
I think his point is that the guy who killed a bunch of people at Fort Hood was considered "workplace violence" despite the fact that it was politically motivated and terroristic. That case was prosecuted under military law though so it's a little different.
12 pipe bombs & thousands of rounds of ammunition found at his home
Ammo is ammo, something most people with guns have a lot of. I don't think I want to tell you guys how much I have.
Ammo is ammo, something most people with guns have a lot of. I don't think I want to tell you guys how much I have.
Definitely starting to get suspicious about this one. Hide your kids hide your wives.
Agence France-Presse@AFP
#BREAKING All four guns used in California attack legally purchased, police say
#BREAKING All four guns used in California attack legally purchased, police say
we talk of assimilation. The fact is people who strictly adhere to their beliefs see the world through different prisms.
I have Muslim friends who are very open to Western lifestyles. But those who are strict Muslims have very different political views. They do see things differently. Some subjects we cannot discuss.
Though we do not know the exact reasons yet for what these people did, They obviously felt so strongly that they killed and in the end died for their beliefs.
I have Muslim friends who are very open to Western lifestyles. But those who are strict Muslims have very different political views. They do see things differently. Some subjects we cannot discuss.
Though we do not know the exact reasons yet for what these people did, They obviously felt so strongly that they killed and in the end died for their beliefs.