Getting rid of Nani

RedStarUnited said:
Thats the funny thing isnt it. Nani statistically wasnt a bad player for us, I just feel like too much was expected of him and every bad thing he did was over analysed.

In my opinion and i repeat "my opinion"...Prioritising Valencia above him is one of the reasons we declined so badly in our quality of play. I always used to say, Valencia could never be a regular for any of the other top european teams let alone make their bench.
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Well Valencia is still a top European club while Nani is in Turkey after a supposedly good season..The fact that none of those top European clubs came in for him tells its own story...

He wasnt bad for us, but that was years ago..Many years ago, let us move on.Again the mistake wasnt getting rid of Nani, its not getting a replacement for Di maria.
 
K2K said:
Well Valencia is still a top European club while Nani is in Turkey after a supposedly good season..The fact that none of those top European clubs came in for him tells its own story...

He wasnt bad for us, but that was years ago..Many years ago, let us move on.Again the mistake wasnt getting rid of Nani, its not getting a replacement for Di maria.
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Its getting Di Maria in the first place when he clearly doesn't have the head to be a United player and wanted out the first moment things weren't going his way, nothing like Nani who fought for his place through adversity.

Nani is in a decent team with decent players, the main issue was his wages. We agreed to pay him a lot then he got injured and barely got a chance to show he might be worth the money.
 
Ekeke said:
Its getting Di Maria in the first place when he clearly doesn't have the head to be a United player and wanted out the first moment things weren't going his way, nothing like Nani who fought for his place through adversity.

Nani is in a decent team with decent players, the main issue was his wages. We agreed to pay him a lot then he got injured and barely got a chance to show he might be worth the money.
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Whats this about? I didnt mention anything about the heart of any player..what I said that NOT replacing ADM after we sold him was a mistake. The merits of the ADM signing or not are an entirely seperate issue, which hardly has anything to do with this discussion though.

Those teams had all of last season to watch him, he wasnt injured for the majority of the season.So they didnt see the need in buying him . He's in a decent team, but by no means a top European team though, that was the main point.
 
K2K said:
Whats this about? I didnt mention anything about the heart of any player..what I said that NOT replacing ADM after we sold him was a mistake. The merits of the ADM signing or not are an entirely seperate issue, which hardly has anything to do with this discussion though.

Those teams had all of last season to watch him, he wasnt injured for the majority of the season.So they didnt see the need in buying him . He's in a decent team, but by no means a top European team though, that was the main point.
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We shouldnt have signed him. Under Sir Alex he made it clear we scouted players for their mentality and how they would cope at the club. We wouldnt have had the Di Maria situation. Nani was allowed to go because we brought in players like Di Maria, who ended up no improvement at all
 
ravelston said:
The difference is, Memphis works his butt off, Young works his butt off, even Mata tries to work his butt off. Nani, not so much. There's no room in LvG's system for a passenger who makes an occasional contribution. I always loved Nani but he has no place in a system built on work rate.
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Eh? Not true - Nani did more tracking than Memphis has. Its early days of course but that part is way off. They are very similar eerily in how easily they lose the ball however but at least Memphis has age/time on his side. I do wish Nani had stayed/worked out but he hasn't so it was never goin to be fruitful keeping him just because we want depth. Best to trust in youth now.
 
Ekeke said:
We shouldnt have signed him. Under Sir Alex he made it clear we scouted players for their mentality and how they would cope at the club. We wouldnt have had the Di Maria situation. Nani was allowed to go because we brought in players like Di Maria, who ended up no improvement at all
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True but even with looking into players backgrounds we still had similar situations with Tevez and Heinze.
 
It was wrong of SAF to bench him over Valencia and give him misplaced tactics/position, it was wrong for Moyes to play him so little and loan him, it was wrong of LVG to not bring him back and eventually sell him.
 
I honestly think we bottled his development. Instead of developing him into a Ronaldinho light, we seemed intent on developing him into a Ronaldo light. He should've been given the freedom of the pitch in a creative sense and allowed to drift infield with decreased defensive responsibilities thus further developing his game outlook.

I think he felt to much pressure to produce goals which affected his decision making a great deal. He should've always been more about setting team-mates up. Even though he used to shoot a ridiculous amounts of time when he shouldn't have, he still put out good assist numbers.
 
You can't be serious. Fergie in his last season thought Nani was careless as a player. He'd give Van Gaal a nightmare every game.
 
He should be great over there. Apart from a few okay teams the rest should be called Wearepisspor
 
Ekeke said:
We shouldnt have signed him. Under Sir Alex he made it clear we scouted players for their mentality and how they would cope at the club. We wouldnt have had the Di Maria situation. Nani was allowed to go because we brought in players like Di Maria, who ended up no improvement at all
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Again, this is just grasping for straws...Nani was getting sold irregardless of ADM seeing as even when we sold di maria we didnt both keeping Nani after that.

So whether signing Adm was right or wrong is irrelevant to Nani. Its just an easy copout of using hindsight to justify this point. Lvg was selling him , either way. So Adm heart/attitude is a non-factor here and a seperate discussion all together.
 
K2K said:
Again, this is just grasping for straws...Nani was getting sold irregardless of ADM seeing as even when we sold di maria we didnt both keeping Nani after that.

So whether signing Adm was right or wrong is irrelevant to Nani. Its just an easy copout of using hindsight to justify this point. Lvg was selling him , either way. So Adm heart/attitude is a non-factor here and a seperate discussion all together.
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Because he was sent out for a season as he wasnt part of the plans anymore. If we didnt sign Di Maria we'd have been much more likely to keep him because obviously we needed him
 
stevoc said:
True but even with looking into players backgrounds we still had similar situations with Tevez and Heinze.
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But they both wanted to stay and play in the first team after 1 year.

We didn't sign a player for a record fee and then he does everything he can to escape and manufacture a move that he wants.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Thats the funny thing isnt it. Nani statistically wasnt a bad player for us, I just feel like too much was expected of him and every bad thing he did was over analysed.

In my opinion and i repeat "my opinion"...Prioritising Valencia above him is one of the reasons we declined so badly in our quality of play. I always used to say, Valencia could never be a regular for any of the other top european teams let alone make their bench.
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Exactly. The excuses trotted out for Valencia back then (and Memphis now) for some reason didn't apply to Nani.

Moving him for injury record, huge wages, or inability to fit in the system is annoying, yet fair. But I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest that he would fail if given a slot on the wing.

It's funny how Di Maria was overhyped based on the last season at Madrid, where in previous years his output and consistency was similar to Nani's. At least that transfer worked out...
 
Ekeke said:
But they both wanted to stay and play in the first team after 1 year.

We didn't sign a player for a record fee and then he does everything he can to escape and manufacture a move that he wants.
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Well Ferguson said Heinze's agent was trying to get him a move within the first year after joining United.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2319806/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-blasts-Gabriel-Heinze.html

With Tevez theres a good chance City had already got into his and his owners ear shortly after the arabs bought the club in 2008, he left as soon as his loan agreement was up and didn't even consider the offer United made.

So arguably both were as bad as Di Maria. Heinze anyway that we know of.
 
Ekeke said:
Because he was sent out for a season as he wasnt part of the plans anymore. If we didnt sign Di Maria we'd have been much more likely to keep him because obviously we needed him
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Honestly what tangible evidence is there to back that?

The fact that we loaned him to Sporting in order to help us get Rojo, and then sell him before the start of preseason shows the importance of him to the management team.This is grasping to straws in the extreme.

As with RvP , Evans and Chicha, Lvg has shown that he is willing to get rid of players that dont fit into his plans, even before getting a replacement. Thats why he got allowed both adm and nani to leave.

Its More likely than not that Nani wasnt in LVG's plans at all, and his loan and subsequent sale likely confirm that. Di maria is just the easy scapegoat.
 
Ekeke said:
Because he was sent out for a season as he wasnt part of the plans anymore. If we didnt sign Di Maria we'd have been much more likely to keep him because obviously we needed him
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I don't think that logic applies to LVG unfortunately. Rooney's out and we're left playing Fellaini in striker position. I'd wager Hernandez could have done a better job. But LVG doesn't think like that, for some weird reason.

So I think the opposite argument has merit. Mind you, I think LVG was wrong to let him go.
 
adexkola said:
I don't think that logic applies to LVG unfortunately. Rooney's out and we're left playing Fellaini in striker position. I'd wager Hernandez could have done a better job. But LVG doesn't think like that, for some weird reason.

So I think the opposite argument has merit. Mind you, I think LVG was wrong to let him go.
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But we got rid of Hernandez because we found a replacement, Martial. If we hadnt signed a replacement we'd have been much more likely to keep Hernandez. Same thing
 
K2K said:
Honestly what tangible evidence is there to back that?

The fact that we loaned him to Sporting in order to help us get Rojo, and then sell him before the start of preseason shows the importance of him to the management team.This is grasping to straws in the extreme.

As with RvP , Evans and Chicha, Lvg has shown that he is willing to get rid of players that dont fit into his plans, even before getting a replacement. Thats why he got allowed both adm and nani to leave.

Its More likely than not that Nani wasnt in LVG's plans at all, and his loan and subsequent sale likely confirm that. Di maria is just the easy scapegoat.
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What do you mean scapegoat? He's a similar player whos brought in for a huge fee. Of course we're going to make room for him as we believed in him being a success. With Di Maria we had less need of Nani's similar skillset.
 
Ekeke said:
What do you mean scapegoat? He's a similar player whos brought in for a huge fee. Of course we're going to make room for him as we believed in him being a success. With Di Maria we had less need of Nani's similar skillset.
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Thats the thing, instead of answering the questions and points raised about Nani, you have turned this to Di Maria when in every single post I have made I have explained why that is irrelevant here. Can we stick to Nani?

That he was unlikely to be in our plans and that is why we sold him, irregardless of any other player. I feel that instead of discussing that , this has turned to the "whose fault is it " that Nani was sold.
 
Nani could be good , he just wasn't enough of the time , he's gone. Get over it.

We didn't make a mistake in getting rid . He made the mistake of not doing enough.
 
Don't get why people moan about letting him go. Was here for 8 seasons and on a whole was meh.
 
Has all the attributes, apart from a brain.

He seemed to have sorted it out there at one stage and did great, but then seemed to go backwards, injuries, and the inability to nail down a regular spot didn't help him.

Ultimately, a good player who never managed to really make the 'step up' for any sustained period.

People reminisce through rose tinted specs, because he did have the ability to excite every now and then, or put in an absolute world class 60mins.
 
Wrong piece of deadwood to get rid. We could have Martial and Nani on the wings. Or at the very least a creative spark from the bench. But he really does divide people on here. Same with Old Trafford. Lots of groans but so many screamers in some huge games.
 
Said it before, I'll say it again and again.
Getting rid of Nani wasn't the wrong decision, not getting in a proper replacement was.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Wrong piece of deadwood to get rid. We could have Martial and Nani on the wings. Or at the very least a creative spark from the bench. But he really does divide people on here. Same with Old Trafford. Lots of groans but so many screamers in some huge games.
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Can we please stop looking backwards. We have nothing to gain whatsoever by reminiscing about Nani or Chica.
 
In his entire seven years with us, Nani only ever got a consistent run of games on the right wing once. And he proceeded to be the best player in the premierleague that season. Otherwise he was played far more on the left, where he was capable of brilliance but was never as consistent.

That makes me bloody angry when I think of it. Like some people feel about Pogba where we didn't give him a chance to show what he could do, but with Nani it's worse because we did give him the opportunity and he absolutely nailed it in stunning fashion. Then as soon as Valencia was fit again we moved Nani over to the left again and he never got anywhere near that level again. Huge victim of his own versatility and being moved out of position so we could play a lesser player (I like Valencia and he was very good at his best, but Nani was capable of a level above).

I don't know if he's capable of being the same player now since it's been so long since that incredible form, but it's bloody annoying that we let him go just when there is a gaping hole on the right wing that we need someone to fill.
 
My favourite player for a few years so I was sad to see him go but he was constantly being disrespected by some fans and players.
If it were up to me I would have made him our main player and sold Rooney.
I am sure Nani would have worked well with DiMaria, RVP and Falcao. Even though he was here with RVP they did not play much together.
Leading up to the World cup, in the absence of Ronaldo, he was Portugal's best player.
Last I checked Fernebache is top of the league and Nani is their best player, at least he leads in players stats and MOTMs.
The Turkish league may not be that competitive but I doubt any of our outfield players, at the moment, would be the best there. I think a free-roaming Nani is better than any player we have at the moment.
 
Ødegaard said:
Said it before, I'll say it again and again.
Getting rid of Nani wasn't the wrong decision, not getting in a proper replacement was.
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This is completely correct. Same with Hernandez, Van Persie, Evans and so on.
 
Nani, rvp and Hernandez would have made a huge improvement for us this season. It's obvious

For those saying we did right selling but wrong in not replacing...fair enough. But we didn't replace and therefore should never have sold

I was like a broken record all summer about this
 
Ødegaard said:
Said it before, I'll say it again and again.
Getting rid of Nani wasn't the wrong decision, not getting in a proper replacement was.
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Why sell when you haven't secured a replacement. We also knew we were getting shot of Di Maria, Memphis was a kid in his first season with us and we had sweet F.A coming from the youth set up, we basically scored an own goal there.
 
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