Mass shooting at Gay night club in Orlando

Was not really a loophole it was a problem with the politicians being in such a rush to get some legislation passed they feck a few things up. Can't totally blame them for trying to get something done post Sandy Hook
Sad state of affairs when something has to be rushed through while legislators give a shit.
 
I accept that, but equally, it is tough when a spouse is involved. Emotional ties, rightly or wrongly, will override legal obligations in most cases. It must take immense courage and sacrifice for a mother to grass up a son for a grave offence, for example. We can all only pretend to understand how difficult that must be.

i agree with you. it would be incredibly difficult to do. that i certainly understand , or even her fear he'd shoot her would make her think twice. but , ffs this wasn't smoking weed in the backyard.
 
That people love a villain and in the absence of a live one they'll jump to the first conclusion they can find?



I'd rather put my faith in due process to be honest.
She admitted to it to the police. She quite literally confessed to the definition of accessory.

I believe in and respect due process and the fact that people are innocent until proven guilty as much as anybody, but my word, a confession is a confession.
 
Who in their right fecking mind needs an M16 for self defense?

Legally bought gun should at least limited to small practical non deadly gun (every gun is deadly i know...), buying a military grade arsenal for self defense?

I always thought this scene was sarcasm. 'Ideal for home defence'.

 
It's really peculiar trying to discuss restricting access to guns with Americans on Reddit.
 
It's really peculiar trying to discuss restricting access to guns with Americans on Reddit.

These people would argue for paedophiles to be restricted from having access to children but will argue dangerous criminals should have access to guns with no background checks, or any test of suitability to own a gun. I really can't understand the logic of American gun rights activists. I don't want to tar all gun owners with the same brush as I know many advocate responsible gun ownership.
 
Representative Jeff Sessions never fails to entertain it seems...

GOP lawmaker says Orlando shooting site wasn’t a gay club

House Rules Committee Chairman Pete Sessions (R-Texas) has an amazing habit of saying some pretty remarkable things. Yesterday, however, the far-right congressman nevertheless managed to surprise.
For those unfamiliar with Sessions’ background, in 2014, Sessions became strikingly confused about what a “witch hunt’ is. The year before, Sessions said he believes it’s “immoral” to extend jobless aid to “long-term unemployments [sic].” Around the same time, the congressman said the House should stop worrying about governing and focus exclusively on “messaging.”

Last year, the Texas Republican said he holds President Obama “personally accountable” for murders committed by undocumented immigrants, pointing to imaginary evidence. Sessions then insisted the Affordable Care Act costs Americans $5 million per person. (He was only off by $4,991,000.)
But despite this record, I didn’t see this one coming.
Asked on Tuesday afternoon whether the massacre of 49 people at an Orlando gay nightclub changes his opposition to a pro-LGBT bill, House Rules Committee chairman Pete Sessions (R-TX) denied the venue had anything to do with the gay community whatsoever.

“It was a young person’s nightclub, I’m told. And there were some [LGBT people] there, but it was mostly Latinos,” told reporters, according to National Journal.
Sessions has stood in firm opposition to the Maloney Amendment, an attachment that would bar federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT individuals.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-lawmaker-says-orlando-shooting-site-wasnt-gay-club
 
Sounds like conspiratorial nonsense to me.

That O-4 I mentioned posted it. One comment read, "320 people couldn't gang up on one man?"

These clowns do live in a fantasy world where movies provide rational thought. Must be so damn easy to gang up on an armed person in a dimly lit room with dozens scattering in panic.

"Hey, everyone, stop, collaborate, and listen. Let's gang up on the shooter!"
Well thinking that a dozen police officers engaging a crazy person with a semi-automatic weapon in a small space doesn´t carry a significant risk of wounded/dead by friendly fire, makes me think you also watch a little too much A-Team.
 
Very interesting how this story is playing out in two completely separate narratives in the US.

Democrats - Closeted Gay Muslim man uses high capacity weapon to commit mass murder; uses ISIS as a foil to justify internal conflicts between his sexual orientation and religious dogma (Political Narrative: Increased gun control)

Republicans - ISIS inspired American Muslim radicalized by internet propaganda commits jihadi mass murder at "soft target" Gay Nightclub. (Political Narrative: "Radical Islamic Terrorism" must be dealt with through expanded military action abroad and limits on immigration from Muslim countries).
 
Very interesting how this story is playing out in two completely separate narratives in the US.

Democrats - Closeted Gay Muslim man uses high capacity weapon to commit mass murder; uses ISIS as a foil to justify internal conflicts between his sexual orientation and religious dogma (Political Narrative: Increased gun control)

Republicans - ISIS inspired American Muslim radicalized by internet propaganda commits jihadi mass murder at "soft target" Gay Nightclub. (Political Narrative: "Radical Islamic Terrorism" must be dealt with through expanded military action abroad and limits on immigration from Muslim countries).

I wish I could say that I was surprised, but that's exactly what I expected from the Republicans.
 
Sense vs The GOP

15 hour filibuster required from the Dems to even get a vote on restricting gun sales to terror suspects.
 
Of course, the Republicans are guilty of wrong think. There is only one opinion. The one true belief.
It is unacceptable for people to prioritize different issues. Anyone who does not agree must be morally corrupt.

Well no, evidence shows they're guilty of wrong thinking. But feel free to continue with the sarcasm. It hits me right in the core and showcases your intellect all at the same time. I tip my hat to you Sir, kudos.
 
Well no, evidence shows they're guilty of wrong thinking. But feel free to continue with the sarcasm. It hits me right in the core and showcases your intellect all at the same time. I tip my hat to you Sir, kudos.

Oh, you have proof that considering national security over gun control is wrong. My mistake. I was living in a world where your opinion on what is more important wasn't proof. So is it just the millions of republicans that are wrong for their opinion or is it everyone whose right leaning?
 
Oh, you have proof that considering national security over gun control is wrong. My mistake. I was living in a world where your opinion on what is more important wasn't proof. So is it just the millions of republicans that are wrong for their opinion or is it everyone whose right leaning?

You seem to be missing the point here by quite some considerable distance. I replied to a post about how Republicans are reporting this particular event as something that all evidence shows that it isn't which was hardly surprising to me. I'm sorry if that offends you.
 
In other news, Taliban is using young boys as assassins in Afganistan to kill the Afghani cops. Many cops have paedophilia and are involved in "boy buying".
These boys either kill cops or keep them busy so that others can kill them. They are also used to infiltrate check points as they keep the cops busy.

Probably on record, both cops and Taliban might say that being gay is blasphemous.
 
In other news, Taliban is using young boys as assassins in Afganistan to kill the Afghani cops. Many cops have paedophilia and are involved in "boy buying".
These boys either kill cops or keep them busy so that others can kill them. They are also used to infiltrate check points as they keep the cops busy.

Probably on record, both cops and Taliban might say that being gay is blasphemous.

you make it sound like a communicable disease
 
You seem to be missing the point here by quite some considerable distance. I replied to a post about how Republicans are reporting this particular event as something that all evidence shows that it isn't which was hardly surprising to me. I'm sorry if that offends you.

Not offended, not American, certainly not Republican.
All evidence doesn't point to it being wrong. The shooter was a radical Islamist, and that is an issue. These people hold the position that that is the priority issue and have an idea on how they should be addressed. Which isn't wrong, it's an opinion on a subjective issue.
Democrats report the event as if the only problem here was gun control. They prioritize this over all other factors. Also not wrong.
All 'evidence' indicates that the shooting was caused by a myriad of factors (acknowledged by both parties). You suggest that the Republicans are wrong for having an opinion that gun control isn't the most important issue.
 
In other news, Taliban is using young boys as assassins in Afganistan to kill the Afghani cops. Many cops have paedophilia and are involved in "boy buying".
These boys either kill cops or keep them busy so that others can kill them. They are also used to infiltrate check points as they keep the cops busy.

Probably on record, both cops and Taliban might say that being gay is blasphemous.

Weirdly, pedophilia is often considered to be different to homosexuality, even if the children are the same sex as the perpetrator.
 
In other news, Taliban is using young boys as assassins in Afganistan to kill the Afghani cops. Many cops have paedophilia and are involved in "boy buying".
These boys either kill cops or keep them busy so that others can kill them. They are also used to infiltrate check points as they keep the cops busy.

Probably on record, both cops and Taliban might say that being gay is blasphemous.

You get conflicted about what's most appalling in that whole story. :wenger:
 
Not offended, not American, certainly not Republican.
All evidence doesn't point to it being wrong. The shooter was a radical Islamist, and that is an issue. These people hold the position that that is the priority issue and have an idea on how they should be addressed. Which isn't wrong, it's an opinion on a subjective issue.
Democrats report the event as if the only problem here was gun control. They prioritize this over all other factors. Also not wrong.
All 'evidence' indicates that the shooting was caused by a myriad of factors (acknowledged by both parties). You suggest that the Republicans are wrong for having an opinion that gun control isn't the most important issue.

He was a gay man who pledged allegiance to three separate groups all of whom hate each other and are currently killing each other. It's the clearest smokescreen ever yet still the narrative continues to focus on it as if it was true. They also shoe horn immigration in their despite the fact that this is an American citizen and therefore has nothing to do with immigration. They also use ISIS in their headline despite the fact he also pledged allegiance to two groups who cannot stand ISIS. It's twisting what actually happened which was an American citizen who committed a hate crime against the gay community with an assault rifle into an ISIS inspired jihad attack and ban all Muslims from entering the country.