Yeah, they're suffering with the same contradiction as RAWK. Saying he's shite and there's loads of players better than him yet can't wait for the deal to fall through and see him go to Madrid.
Bluemoon goes into Meltdown
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A year ago both Weigl and Dahoud were promising prospects at best. Now they are clearly on a level with Pogba.
Would Bluemoon still rank them in that order if it was them signing Pogba?
I'd bet my house that they would not.
Whoa there!
Aguero definitely is. The others (Silva and KDB) are arguable like I say.
On top form I'd have Silva over anybody in England.
edit: And Pogba wasn't even the best PL based French player at the Euro's...
edit: And Pogba wasn't even the best PL based French player at the Euro's...
No denying this one, I'm afraid. Not even the second best, despite Deschamps inexplicably dropping Kante halfway through the tournament. Honestly I won't complain because Pogba will odds-on be an absolute pleasure to watch, but splitting the £100m-ish fee and buying both Kante and Payet would have been vastly better footballing business. Of course, half the point of Pogba is the commercial revenue he'll generate.
He may not have had the best Euros, butyou could tell he was absolute class.
Seeing as the only way to compare players who play different positions is on impact, I would take Aguero and Silva over him. You can make a case for KDB but I would take Pogba.Aguero definitely is. The others (Silva and KDB) are arguable like I say.
On top form I'd have Silva over anybody in England.
edit: And Pogba wasn't even the best PL based French player at the Euro's...
KdB is better than Silva. Unless you're talking about three year ago Silva, in which case three year old Schweinsteiger is better than both.
Bar this season, when healthy, Silva has had sustained uuccess of being the most dominant creative force of Manchester City. KDB has only been doing this for like two seasons.
Even in a average season, Silva registered 11 assists. Let that sink in.
In his first season with the club, De Bruyne got 9 assists plus 7 goals. Let that sink in. <-- the feck does that mean?
Right, it's sunk in, now what?
Look my main point is that it is too early to call someone better than another player when they haven't been doing it for a sustained amount of time. Silva for almost 7 years has established himself as one of the Premier League`s best creative force that dominates EPL midfield's and defences game in and game out. KDB is yet to have that kind of success.
Idk I didn't think it would get this far.
Agreed, but conversely to that, it's a flasehood to keep claiming a player is top class and dominating games when they haven't done it for 12 months out of sentimentalism.
Mosy of your 'world class' players of four years ago, Hart-Kompany-Toure-Silva, have been poor for at least a year if not longer. It's the same as me saying Bastian is still world class.
Yes. I've seen AI more self-aware than some of those guys.
I am not a City fan.
1 bad season dosent make a player neither does 1 good season either. Toure and Kompany have been shit for god knows how long now. Silva had an average season but that dosent mean we don't call him world class, it just means that he didn't have a world class season.
Poster on Bluemoon responding to a guy talking about people giving him grief since Pogba turned them down:
Yes, that is exactly it. Pogba just can't take playing for the massive massive giant club and historical giant that is City. In fact I think the only reason why players like Ronaldo, Suarez, Messi and the likes hasn't put in a transfer request and tried to force a transfer to City is because of their insecurity about coping with the pressure of playing for such a footballing goliath.
Yes, that is exactly it. Pogba just can't take playing for the massive massive giant club and historical giant that is City. In fact I think the only reason why players like Ronaldo, Suarez, Messi and the likes hasn't put in a transfer request and tried to force a transfer to City is because of their insecurity about coping with the pressure of playing for such a footballing goliath.
I find it incredible how City, because of a few good seasons, now consider themselves amongst the European elite and worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as 11 times CL winners Real Madrid.
The delusion us unreal.
I find it incredible how City, because of a few good seasons, now consider themselves amongst the European elite and worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as 11 times CL winners Real Madrid.
The delusion us unreal.
Yeah, I've noticed that in a few posts of theirs. They think they're being subtle by 'casually' mentioning themselves alongside Real. It might not be so bad if they hadn't played them in last season's CL semi-final and put in one of the worst displays at that stage of the competition that you could possibly witness. They looked like kids shitting themselves over being on the big stage for a change. It was pathetic.
No denying that either, true. But I still think even that quality doesn't justify paying more for him than we'd have had to to get both Payet and Kante, or Kante and Mahrez for that matter.
To be clear, I won't exactly be complaining if we get him! I just don't like the commercially-minded 'galactico' business model.
The way they post, you wouldn't think that they're coming off the back of a horrific season, squeezing into the top four on goal difference, with a squad full of sicknotes, has-beens and overpaid flops that they can't get rid of. (applies to us as well, I know, although our squad is in a much better shape).
Not to mention a new manager who has never experienced the Premier League, and never experienced managing a squad that isn't full of worldies.
Transfer business has been poor thus far, and their top two targets are going to set them back £100m, with neither being anything close to a top quality prospect.
Not to mention a new manager who has never experienced the Premier League, and never experienced managing a squad that isn't full of worldies.
Transfer business has been poor thus far, and their top two targets are going to set them back £100m, with neither being anything close to a top quality prospect.
You need to start thinking past 1 season and surely past the euro 2016
Last year you probably didn't even know Kante or Payet or Mahrez despite all of them being considerably older than Pogba. That is because Pogba has been around at the highest level of top football at age 19 when he moved from United to Juve soon made it in that team as one of the best and most important players and has since won already 4 Serie A titles and 2 Italian cups at just the age of 23 and is is now also regarded as the big star in the french national team whilst Kante and payet just got their first call up ever. He has realized more at his age than Kante and Payet and Mahrez probably will ever realize in their entire career.
Pogba is off another level than either of those players in terms of talent and ability. He will only get better and he truely has the skills to be one of the best if not the best midfielder of his generation. He is one of the most complete players and again he is just 23 years old. He is one of those players who truely can have the ambition to one day win the ballon d'or.
I completley can't understand why people would rather have us sign Kante, Payet or Mahrez than Pogba. Clearly you don't watch Pogba play for Juve as much as you have watched the former players play in the EPL and you are fixating on his performances in a bad international tournament, where he was misused.
When you look at the bigger picture Pogba versus Kante and Payet and Mahrez shouldn't even be up for debate. It is true world class versus just good. If United wants to set itself apart and become a real european powerhouse again, they need players like Pogba and not Kante, Payet, Mahrez. He absolutley is worth his world record transfer fee and he absolutley is worth more than 2 of those 3 players together or even all 3 of them together. Last year such a question wouldn't even have been up for debate and because those 3 just had an exceptional season for the first time in their entire career shoudln't change that. Pogba is the true quality a club like United should do evrything it can to get.
What strikes me with Bluemoon is how incoherent and ridiculous a lot of their posts are.
It's like a load of 10 year olds posting utter garbage from their smart phone that mum bought them for Xmas.
Strange, angry, bitter place.
It's like a load of 10 year olds posting utter garbage from their smart phone that mum bought them for Xmas.
Strange, angry, bitter place.
I think reality will hit hard there
They have a really bad GK and their entire defence is a mess. They need to sign a centreback and they clearly struggle to land their targets: Laporte decided to sign a new contract, Bonucci isn't leaving Juve and Everton is not budging for Stones despite £40m on the table. And centreback isn't the only thing weak about their defence, the fullbacks are also far past their sell date.
Their central midfield is in a bad state with Yaya clearly passed it and Fernandinho pretty average. Delph is not nearly good enough for top quality and Gundogan is a really good player but with his injurry record, I doubt they will ever see the best of him.
They have 2 fanastastic attacking midfielders with KDB and Silva and they have added some much needed quality on their wings with Sane and Nolito. Aguero is a world class striker but one often trormented with injurrys but with Jesus and Illheanacho they have a quality back-up. So attacking they look very good.
Pep Guardiola has no PL experience and plays a style of football that doesn't really work very well in the EPL. I can see City struggling to break down teams with Guardiola's tactics because he will lack the quality to really control the midfield and he will soon learn English defences aren't as easily broken than he is used to with Barca or Bayern. His troubled defence and dodgy Goalkeeper could be very vulnerable to good counter attacking teams and we will have to see if Pep can inspire the right mentality in his players to fight back from falling behind because it is going to happen much more than he ever experienced at Barca or Bayern. We will also learn if Pep will be able to come up with a plan B if his normal tactics aren't working, which I can see happening alot of times.
I predict there will be games where City will look like the best team on the planet and will be scoring for fun. But there will also be alot of games where they will look clueless on what to do and will be getting a very cold shower. I can see them struggling with playing on a consistent level and they won't be picking up 3 points every week to the title. I can actually see them having some really difficult times and Pep will end up being truely tested on his coaching ability and I think this will be the season were alot of people will change their mind about him being the best manager on the planet.
This season will be a battle Manchester United versus Chelsea for the title. Mourinho versus Conte.
All three of those players have had only one outstanding season in England, it's possible one or all are one season wonders.
It's possibly the safer bet to spend it all on one player who will be better than those guys in the near future.
I wouldn't say Fernandinho is average, I like him actually.
We're going off topic anyway, surely there is a Man City thread to discuss their current squad etc
We're going off topic anyway, surely there is a Man City thread to discuss their current squad etc
I think you make a lot of valid points, but isn't this bit pretty much every season for Shitty?
Where else but Bluemoon, could you discover that Donald Love made his debut off the bench on Valentines day 2016, only to be corrected by another bertie that his debut was in fact vs Sunderland on the 13th Febuary ?, it gives google a run for the money, with all things United related. Long may it continue.
Yea but somehow alot of people are thinking they will run the league like Bayern or Barca because they now have pep.
They don't have Klopp though.
Excellent material, good work.
No, not Napoleon, just Squealer. Napoleon would be Fergie, or Gill, or someone. Christ. If you're going to make ridiculously dramatic, inappropriate Animal Farm allusions, at least get them right.
Corrected some typos.
No, not Napoleon, just Squealer. Napoleon would be Fergie, or Gill, or someone. Christ. If you're going to make ridiculously dramatic, inappropriate Animal Farm allusions, at least get them right.
Corrected some typos.
Do they know how to navigate websites? The reaction to the Dortmund loss has always been there since it happened. I found out the result via BBC later in the day as I was at work as it happened. It was the main/top article for the rest of that day.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36871332
Who are they trying to convince?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36871332
Who are they trying to convince?
Sometimes I feel bad for them. They're going through the most successful period in their club's history but can't enjoy it because they are so bitter.
Clearly that is a fake web page that you have just created. Rag!
Exactly. They hate us so much that they can't enjoy this period of success. It's pathetic and sad.
Ragspiracy?