David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

adexkola said:
Was he expected to do better with Everton? :confused:

There are many legitimate sticks one can use to beat Moyes with. Expecting him to perform wonders consistently with a barebone budget against the juggernauts of Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd is absurd.
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Not even having a fluke win is pretty ridiculous though.

I wonder if there is any other midtable manager as highly rated as him back then had better records than him against those teams.

I remember when their derby games always hyped up and they got screwed badly almost every time. Liverpool derbies were pretty much very predictable back then.
 
The United said:
Not even having a fluke win is pretty ridiculous though.

I wonder if there is any other midtable manager as highly rated as him back then had better records than him against those teams.

I remember when their derby games always hyped up and they got screwed badly almost every time. Liverpool derbies were pretty much very predictable back then.
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They're predictable in recent times, even with Martinez and a weaker Liverpool.

Giving managers win for fluke wins is ridiculous. They're flukes.
 
adexkola said:
Does this statistic exist for other managers in the league? I'm not holding my breath expecting this.
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Don't know but his replacement at Everton managed to win a game away to the big 4 in his first attempt. Although it was against Moyes at Old Trafford
 
adexkola said:
They're predictable in recent times, even with Martinez and a weaker Liverpool.

Giving managers win for fluke wins is ridiculous. They're flukes.
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I don't think Marthinez is a good manager or anyone from fans or board would think he could manage United though.

He still does not have a win in 45 games. Which itself is ridiculous and showed that he lacks of big game winning mentality, tactics, motivation, intelligence etc which you need them for being the manager of United.
 
Stobzilla said:
Think people are just having the boots in now and it is a bit petty in all honesty. He was given a big job, it was too big for him, it would have been too big for all but 3 managers currently in world football, whom we all offered it too before him it turns out.

I'd let him be. He has become a meme for failure and the turn around job he did at Everton merits more than that.
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I have no specific desire in seeing him do badly with another team. I think what most people rightly feel is amazement that he can really talk the way he does about his team and their chances at the start of the season, repeatedly demoralising his squad.

Also, I don't think only 3 managers in the world were capable of taking over from SAF and avoid doing a terrible job. Somehow, we went with one who did.
 
adexkola said:
Was he expected to do better with Everton? :confused:

There are many legitimate sticks one can use to beat Moyes with. Expecting him to perform wonders consistently with a barebone budget against the juggernauts of Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd is absurd.
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Like he did with us and has done with Sunderland, Moyes lowered expectations at Everton. He got the media to buy into them being the plucky underdogs, They have been as big club for a long time. I've seen three separate Everton teams win the league in my time of watching football - 1963, 1970, 1985. They were called the Mersey Millionaires and were one of the so called Big Five, who ITV always selected for their live games in the 1980's - United, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton. Granted, they dipped a little after that, but they've always been a much bigger club than Moyes would lead you to believe.
 
Needham said:
You guys want to have a chat with yourselves. Its a really unattractive feature of internet fandom how supporters ridicule and bully their ex-managers. Some of the shit on here about Moyes is indistinguishable from the bile projected by Liverpoool fans at Roy Hodgson. After Hodgson left Liverpool, their fans regularly called him owl, lesbian, lesbian owl, big nose, big nose cnut, big nose lesbian owl cnut, lesbian owl cnut, "arl' cnut, 'arl" owl cnut, the foregone conclusion, nobby, arl lesbian oxygen thief, dimitri, the Fulham shitheel, Sun reader, Art Vandelay's Photoshop Thread, and Art Vandelay's arl lesbian owl cnut Photoshop Thread cnut. Let's not stoop to their levels.
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:lol::lol:
I am dying
 
Personally, I don't hate or dislike or anything towards him. Most of us had a feeling that that guy might not be up for it.

As much as I could understand why the board let SAF to appoint that guy, it was more on whoever gave the idea and job than moyes himself. If he is not good enough, he he is not. Nothing much he can do about it. He didn't put a gun on our board members's heads to appoint him.
 
How exactly have we been discussing moyes' performances as sunderland manager here in the last few pages?
 
Attila said:
This isnt a performance thread. Just a thread about Moyes
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I think it is: the title is David Moyes Sunderland Manager! There are far too many threads where we can discuss his shortcomings and his tenure at Utd
 
anant said:
I think it is: the title is David Moyes Sunderland Manager! There are far too many threads where we can discuss his shortcomings and his tenure at Utd
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No it isn't. Sunderland Manager part is is current status.
 
Fitchett said:
Like he did with us and has done with Sunderland, Moyes lowered expectations at Everton. He got the media to buy into them being the plucky underdogs, They have been as big club for a long time. I've seen three separate Everton teams win the league in my time of watching football - 1963, 1970, 1985. They were called the Mersey Millionaires and were one of the so called Big Five, who ITV always selected for their live games in the 1980's - United, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and Everton. Granted, they dipped a little after that, but they've always been a much bigger club than Moyes would lead you to believe.
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Dipped a little? They were near relegation when Moyes took over . Sure they had good teams under Howard Kendall and all but Moyes isn't the one who lowered the club level. They did that on their own before he was appointed.
 
The United said:
Personally, I don't hate or dislike or anything towards him. Most of us had a feeling that that guy might not be up for it.

As much as I could understand why the board let SAF to appoint that guy, it was more on whoever gave the idea and job than moyes himself. If he is not good enough, he he is not. Nothing much he can do about it. He didn't put a gun on our board members's heads to appoint him.
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He can stop moaning about how he felt shortchanged. Stop saying how there wouldn't be anything different he would have done in the job. And then contradict himself by saying if he had known the immediate results were important, he would have done things differently. Just to be clear, for most the dislike for Moyes, isn't because he failed so spectacularly. That as you rightly say, quite a few feared at the time of his appointment. The animosity is more attributable to his pathetic statements while he was here, his readiness to shift the blame on everyone else, going so far to suggest that even Fergie would have struggled. Coming out with silly statements like "I was unfairly treated", "I am a top level manager". News flash: you weren't unfairly treated and you aren't a top level manager. Its things like these that gall me. He got a good opportunity and failed at it. Shit happens. Move on and do better elsewhere, you have my good wishes. Just don't keep up this false pretense of how you would have eventually succeeded at Old Trafford.
 
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pixel said:
He can stop moaning about how he felt shortchanged. Stop saying how there wouldn't be anything different he would have done in the job. And then contradict himself by saying if he had known the immediate results were important, he would have done things differently. Just to be clear, for most the dislike for Moyes, isn't because he failed so spectacularly. That as you rightly say, quite a few feared at the time of his appointment. The animosity is more attributable to his pathetic statements while he was here, his readiness to shift the blame on everyone else, going so far to suggest that even Fergie would have struggled. Coming out with silly statements like "I was unfairly treated", "I am a top level manager". News flash: you weren't unfairly treated and you aren't a top level manager. Its things like these that gall me. He got a good opportunity and failed at it. Shit happens. Move on and do better elsewhere, you have my good wishes. Just don't keep up this false pretense of how you would have eventually succeeded at Old Trafford.
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Totally agree. It's changed him. He was decent to good as a manager in a very narrow scope. Worse than having been found out when outside of his comfort zone, he seems consumed by his failures. Not that he's taken them hard or has been harsh on himself. Hell no. He's too busy trying to carry on some perverse victim's narrative rather than getting on with what he's good at. He seems different and lesser for it.
 
Ducklegs said:
To be fair, you can't, as the biggest club in the world, appoint someone as woefully inadequate as Moyes and then sack him 6 weeks after the season starts (which is when he should of gone, I was praying we would see sense by the end of November as we could of still saved the season) without looking fecking stupid.

Because that's what we were, completely fecking stupid, on a biblical scale.
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I hope, one day, someone leaks the minutes of the meetings where this strange, stupid and suicidal decision was made. The guy was so out of his depth that even Spurs wouldn't touch him and they have had some real winners over the years but he somehow managed to find himself as the undisputed frontrunner to the job.
 
itso 7 said:
I hope, one day, someone leaks the minutes of the meetings where this strange, stupid and suicidal decision was made. The guy was so out of his depth that even Spurs wouldn't touch him and they have had some real winners over the years but he somehow managed to find himself as the undisputed frontrunner to the job.
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He was mooted to be our manager all the way back to 2003.

It's not a coincidence. Fergie was always big on giving Brits a chance. He'd have given the job to O'Neill back in the days as well.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
He was mooted to be our manager all the way back to 2003.

It's not a coincidence. Fergie was always big on giving Brits a chance. He'd have given the job to O'Neill back in the days as well.
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There is that too and its certainly plausible but given the way Moyes had stagnated at Everton people should have been more careful with this imo
 
stevoc said:
It actually wasn't that great at all, it only seemed that way for a time. Our record vs the bottom 10 was great but vs the top 10 diabolical.

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P: 19 W: 09 D: 03 L: 07------------------P: 19 W: 10 D: 04 L: 05
GF: 29 GA: 21 GD: +08-------------------GF: 35 GA: 22 GD: +13
30 PTS From possible 57 PTS-------------34 PTS From possible 57 PTS

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P: 18 W: 03 D: 05 L: 10------------------P: 20 W: 16 D: 02 L: 02
GF: 16 GA: 28 GD: -12-------------------GF: 48 GA: 15 GD: +33
14 PTS From possible 54 PTS------------50 PTS From possible 60 PTS
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Liverpool & Arsenal had 35 points, we had 34 points (33 points under Moyes) and Moyes was our manager therefore "very good" ;)
 
Twigginater said:
The never beat a top four club away from home stat is false, unless you discount Man City and add in Liverpool.
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City do slightly complicate matters owing to being completely irrelevant before the emergence of Mansour and his money, but if you go by the "top four" label as you do in your post, then City didn't finish top four until 2010-11, so weren't a top four side until the following season. Everton have not won at Eastlands since then, but obviously Moyes was only the Everton manager for a couple of those games after City broke into the top four. Their last win there was in 2010-11, but as I mentioned City weren't quite yet a top four side.

Liverpool also complicates matters given how badly they have under-performed since Benitez crashed them out of the top four in his last season. You could make a special case for them I guess given Liverpool-Everton is a derby, but Everton's complete inadequacy in matches against Liverpool also needs to be factored in. It must be the most one-sided top flight derby since Simeone took-over Atletico Madrid, and how much of that is down to Moyes is arguable.

I'm surprised to see Moyes is playing Everton on Monday. I know the whole weekend revolves around the derby, but I expected a bit of media hype about him playing Everton, even though it's up in Sunderland rather than Goodison. Given the massive abuse Everton fans gave him whilst he was our manager, you'd think a typical "revenge" media line would be easy to write, but I guess people just don't care.
 
Twigginater said:
The never beat a top four club away from home stat is false, unless you discount Man City and add in Liverpool.
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Well it's mostly true considering the vast majority of Moyes' time at Everton was spent there whilst City weren't in the top four. Moyes never won away to the traditional big four as far as I remember.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
Liverpool & Arsenal had 35 points, we had 34 points (33 points under Moyes) and Moyes was our manager therefore "very good" ;)
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Yeah fair enough i recently seen the away table for that year that someone posted earlier, our away record was good when compared to other sides. But the point i was making was compared to our home form we were only slightly better away.

But as i said the big contrast was vs the top & bottom 10. Championship form against the bottom half and almost relegation form vs the top half.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
He was mooted to be our manager all the way back to 2003.

It's not a coincidence. Fergie was always big on giving Brits a chance. He'd have given the job to O'Neill back in the days as well.
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Yeah definitely personally i think Ferguson had him in mind for years.

He was never going to pick anyone other than a British manager for me, especially after being so outspoken for many years about the lack of big job chances British managers get.
 
He says in the article they didn't have the finances to break the top 4, having previously said, ''I may be exaggerating, but I think we would have been close to winning the Premier League, we were that good.''

It's weird that interviews since he was sacked from us is where I have really realised what a true moron this guy is. He doesn't have a clue.
 
Got to be taking the piss now. He finished 6th with Everton, took over that season's champions and somehow took them to lower than 6th.
 
Did some of you actually read the article? It's completely drawn out of context.
 
Wade3 said:
Did some of you actually read the article? It's completely drawn out of context.
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It is not. He said if he had a better center forward (Lukaku) he could have won the league or close to. Absolute joke, just because Liverpool fluked it once and he was slightly above them the last 2 seasons:wenger:
 
The sad thing is he probably actually believes the shit he spews. Could have won the League if he had more money yeah right, what stopped him from winning even 1 cup in 26 attempts never mind the League. That stat alone is black mark on his Everton record.
 
izec said:
It is not. He said if he had a better center forward (Lukaku) he could have won the league or close to. Absolute joke, just because Liverpool fluked it once and he was slightly above them the last 2 seasons:wenger:
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Exactly, he had a much better center forward and much more money at United. What did he ho?
 
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