David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

.Rossi said:
The stories about him and Giggs are fecking terrifying.
Whatever about Giggs as a person, he loves United dearly so Moyes must have been even worse behind the scenes :O
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Yeah but thats Moyes in a nutshell though, he knows it all and doesn't need anyone elses advice. Obviously why he didn't want Phelan and Mulensteen around and replaced them with his yes men from Everton.
 
Grim.

But the squad sucks and I am not convinced other managers would have done a lot better joining late like he did
 
The squad probably isn't good enough and maybe it isn't totally his fault they've started as poorly as they have (it almost definitely is mostly his fault) but it's still not exactly something you want your manager saying 5 games in to the season. It's like he's already given up and is hoping he can use this as an excuse later on.
 
bleedred said:
Results at the same stage last season

Manager: Advocat

Leicester City 4–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 1–3 Norwich City
Sunderland 1–1 Swansea City
Aston Villa 2–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–1 Tottenham Hotspur
AFC Bournemouth 2–0 Sunderland
Manchester United 3–0 Sunderland

And the season before (14/15)

Manager: Poyet

West Bromwich Albion 2–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 1–1 Manchester United
Queens Park Rangers 1–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 2–2 Tottenham Hotspur
Burnley 0–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–0 Swansea City
Sunderland 3–1 Stoke City
Southampton 8–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–2 Arsenal

And the season before that (13/14)

Manager: Dicanio

Sunderland 0 – 1 Fulham
Southampton 1 – 1 Sunderland
Crystal Palace 3 – 1 Sunderland
Sunderland 1 – 3 Arsenal
West Bromwich Albion 3 – 0 Sunderland
Sunderland 1 – 3 Liverpool
Sunderland 1 – 2 Manchester United
Swansea City 4 – 0 Sunderland


Do you not see a trend??... Under different managers... Still its Moyes' fault.... They have traditionally been shit starters for one reason or the other.

As the other poster said, Moyes may be a shit manager, but to put the current Sunderland performance on him is flawed as they have failed to have a good start under multiple managers....

This is not really a defense of Moyes, but more to suggest Sunderland are a shite team.
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Sunderland should have brought Keano back - 8 points in his first 7 games both seasons started in the Premier League.

By the way, loving this thread - it will never get boring venting at Moyes :D
 
Moyes is increasingly like a footballing version of this fella...

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Cheesy said:
The defence of Sunderland always making a shite start doesn't wash. It's Moyes' job not to do that and to reverse their fortunes. He's failed spectacularly so far.
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Exactly.

Pretty sure Allardyce would have won a game by now.
 
The worst thing about his smugness and constant blaming of everyone else is that people actually fell for it when he was at United. We saw multiple posts saying how players were letting him down and a lot of abuse towards our title winning squad who did not perform for under fire hard working manager, then there were people absolving him of any blame because 'he picked the right team, what else could he do?'. Well manage, motivate and plan tactics.
 
Sarni said:
“I don’t know that I’m necessarily an arm-around-the-shoulder man,” Moyes said. “I want to see men stand up and take responsibility, be tough and take the challenge on. At the moment we’re not doing the basics well enough; not heading it and kicking it when we get the chance or doing the picking up and marking we need to do.

“The players need to take responsibility. It can’t always be me leading them by the hand and showing them where they should be and what they should do.”
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Oh, the ironing in what Moyes said there. But somehow I think it is lost on him.

"I want to see men stand up and take responsibility"...

FFS....when I thought I couldn't dislike the Ogre more I find this quote.
 
Ramshock said:
I honestly think getting the job and failing at United has ruined him, he still looks shell shocked after all this time.
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I agree, and I almost feel sorry for him. But then I always think of this analogy to put Moyes' charmed career into context.

Imagine if a semi-competent musician was given a gig headlining a tour of arenas for 6 years...

More or less every show is a bit of a flop, and though nothing inherently bad happens to them, after 8 months they're sacked from the tour and paid 4 million pounds...

They're then given another job touring Spain playing much smaller venues, and being paid 50,000 or so a week. They flop again and after a year receive another pay off...

They're then given ANOTHER gig on the first arena tour again, though this time their job is to simply be a decent support act, and again they're earning around 40-50,000 a week...

And within 2 weeks they're complaining that the sound engineer isn't good enough, and that their guitar doesn't have the right strings.

It's ridiculous.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
I agree, and I almost feel sorry for him. But then I always think of this analogy to put Moyes' charmed career into context.

Imagine if a semi-competent musician was given a gig headlining a tour of arenas for 6 years...

More or less every show is a bit of a flop, and though nothing inherently bad happens to them, after 8 months they're sacked from the tour and paid 4 million pounds...

They're then given another job touring Spain playing much smaller venues, and being paid 50,000 or so a week. They flop again and after a year receive another pay off...

They're then given ANOTHER gig on the first arena tour again, though this time their job is to simply be a decent support act, and again they're earning around 40-50,000 a week...

And within 2 weeks they're complaining that the sound engineer isn't good enough, and that their guitar doesn't have the right strings.

It's ridiculous.
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A bit like The Darkness then?
 
Sarni said:
“I don’t know that I’m necessarily an arm-around-the-shoulder man,” Moyes said. “I want to see men stand up and take responsibility, be tough and take the challenge on. At the moment we’re not doing the basics well enough; not heading it and kicking it when we get the chance or doing the picking up and marking we need to do.

“The players need to take responsibility. It can’t always be me leading them by the hand and showing them where they should be and what they should do.”
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For a man that shifts blame and takes no responsibility for his own failings, he sure is great at telling others they shouldn't shift blame and how they should take responsibility for their failings.

Sad thing is he probably doesn't even realize the irony.
 
This really wasnt the right job for him. Would perhaps have been better to join a good Championship side and build it rather than trying to stop the inevitable at Sunderland.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
This really wasnt the right job for him. Would perhaps have been better to join a good Championship side and build it rather than trying to stop the inevitable at Sunderland.
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You can't expect a Champions League level manager to manage in the Championship. That he even took the job at Sunderland with all the mega offers he claims he has had just shows you what a solid, hardworking and gracious guy he is. It isn't his fault that yet again he finds himself without players worthy of his genius, just like in the two previous clubs.

He is a literal footballing philantropist, always willing to take jobs and take on players beneath his behemoth levels of management skills.
 
stevoc said:
For a man that shifts blame and takes no responsibility for his own failings, he sure is great at telling others they shouldn't shift blame and how they should take responsibility for their failings.

Sad thing is he probably doesn't even realize the irony.
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Oh my! This is great comedy! :lol:
 
He's like that short term pet you'd almost forgotten you ever had, a bleak furry creature with something worse than a palpable aura of hopelessness - almost a hope vaccum, who just shits all over itself and the house endlessly. Until one day it's gotten rid of and you wonder which poor bastard has inherited it, and whether it would have been kinder for your father to take a spade to it's head.
 
Don't really care for Moyes or Sunderland but want our ex players to do well and also Adnan.
 
Moyes eh? The one thing he has going for him is that he is a fine and entertaining whipping dog...it's almost like he says things to tempt...then turns..shoves his arse out and begs to be spanked....
 
Ramshock said:
I honestly think getting the job and failing at United has ruined him, he still looks shell shocked after all this time.
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I think he'd have failed anywhere, everything was set up for him at Everton and he and the club were stuck in their functioning rut.
 
Sarni said:
The worst thing about his smugness and constant blaming of everyone else is that people actually fell for it when he was at United. We saw multiple posts saying how players were letting him down and a lot of abuse towards our title winning squad who did not perform for under fire hard working manager, then there were people absolving him of any blame because 'he picked the right team, what else could he do?'. Well manage, motivate and plan tactics.
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Yep. Strange, cause you could see right through him (or I could!). Never bought the nonsense peddled by his press buddies that he's a 'decent bloke':rolleyes:
 
That's a low blow, yes we know they're not world beaters, but even an old dogs finds a bone here and there. Nobody asked them to top the league! Fight for a draw here and there, a few hard fought win here and there is all they need to produce.

Maybe the manager is not good enough
 
Every goal they concede is a painful reminder that he managed us. David Moyes was actually managing Manchester United!

Christ.
 
I enjoy his misery more than I should. I probably should feel bad about it, but I just can't.
 
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