David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

Rhyme Animal said:
And yet I wonder if any of those other managers had the specific words, "not X's fault" printed about them...?

Despite the revision, Allardyce left them in good form, and he also managed to do good business with them in the January window.

Rather than giving excuses, he got on with it and pulled out some great signings and results.

I mean, just take a look at their last 6 results before Moyes took over...

Watford 2 - 2 Sun
Sun 3 - 0 Everton
Sun 3 - 2 Chelsea
Stoke 1 - 1 Sun
Arsenal 0 - 0 Sun
Norwich 0 - 3 Sun

What we're seeing now is the 'Moyesian Revision' - that period of time where Moyes and his media cronies try to pull the wool over earnest supporters eyes and ears with an endless run of excuses and reasons why this isn't Moyes' fault.

This goes on until he gets sacked and then the fog clears and supporters see clearly.
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What are you talking about? The games you talk about happened in May (last game may 14) and the first game this season was on August 14. You are surprised that a team (that too a team as shit as Sunderland) hasn't carried a form over 4 months? Even mourinho (with Chelsea) and Rainieri(with Leicester now) found it difficult to carry on the previous form
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
What we're seeing now is the 'Moyesian Revision' - that period of time where Moyes and his media cronies try to pull the wool over earnest supporters eyes and ears with an endless run of excuses and reasons why this isn't Moyes' fault.

This goes on until he gets sacked and then the fog clears and supporters see clearly.
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You are not wrong there, the unwavering protection he gets from a lot of the press is as commendable as it is baffling.
 
“Ultimately you have to have good players on the pitch and, at the moment, we’re not getting enough good players on the pitch. We need to get a better team, it’s as simple as that. We need to get a team which can give us results.”

Way to motivate the players you need to do a job for you until January!

And does he not think by throwing the entire current team under the bus that he may struggle to attract a better quality of player in January?

Dickhead.
 
“I knew it wasn’t going to be all easy, that’s for sure, but I did expect to find myself winning games. Now, though, we have to try and find a way to get out of it.”

Aaargh.
 
prath92 said:
What are you talking about? The games you talk about happened in May (last game may 14) and the first game this season was on August 14. You are surprised that a team (that too a team as shit as Sunderland) hasn't carried a form over 4 months? Even mourinho (with Chelsea) and Rainieri(with Leicester now) found it difficult to carry on the previous form
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He's taken over the same players, and had (most of) a window to improve them, sound familiar...?

It's Utd all over again, except this time he's at the other end of the table. 2 games in and the excuses start.

Going on about relegation battles and not having good enough players. Allardyce sorted that team out with a fecking January window.

Moyes is a weakling of a manager, mollycoddled by an incestuous media and allowed to atrophy whatever managerial muscles he used to have.

He's got utterly nothing to offer and it's clear.

If he wants to reinvigorate his career he needs to take more time off and study, travel and learn. He's at the point where he literally needs to revolutionize himself as a manager...

But will anyone admit that to him?
 
Rhyme Animal said:
He's taken over the same players, and had (most of) a window to improve them, sound familiar...?

It's Utd all over again, except this time he's at the other end of the table. 2 games in and the excuses start.

Going on about relegation battles and not having good enough players. Allardyce sorted that team out with a fecking January window.

Moyes is a weakling of a manager, mollycoddled by an incestuous media and allowed to atrophy whatever managerial muscles he used to have.

He's got utterly nothing to offer and it's clear.

If he wants to reinvigorate his career he needs to take more time off and study, travel and learn. He's at the point where he literally needs to revolutionize himself as a manager...

But will anyone admit that to him?
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He didn't have most of the window though. I think he was appointed on August 3rd or so. That's just 2 weeks before the first game.

And that is applicable to Rainieri who had the same team pretty much and mourinho too. Yet they look a shadow of their former self. Sunderland in addition go through this every season since 2012.

Moyes may or may not be good but it's clear that there is something inherently wrong with Sunderland thats beyond the manager alone.
 
Sunderland will be shite all season, finish on 0 points, but somehow excape relegation. This much I know.
 
The scandal is that he is getting several million quid a year for this. And he'll make more than a nurse earns in their entire lifetime when he is sacked, again, for being shite.

And the media will still defend him.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
He's taken over the same players, and had (most of) a window to improve them, sound familiar...?

It's Utd all over again, except this time he's at the other end of the table. 2 games in and the excuses start.

Going on about relegation battles and not having good enough players. Allardyce sorted that team out with a fecking January window.

Moyes is a weakling of a manager, mollycoddled by an incestuous media and allowed to atrophy whatever managerial muscles he used to have.

He's got utterly nothing to offer and it's clear.

If he wants to reinvigorate his career he needs to take more time off and study, travel and learn. He's at the point where he literally needs to revolutionize himself as a manager...

But will anyone admit that to him?
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Results at the same stage last season

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Leicester City 4–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 1–3 Norwich City
Sunderland 1–1 Swansea City
Aston Villa 2–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–1 Tottenham Hotspur
AFC Bournemouth 2–0 Sunderland
Manchester United 3–0 Sunderland

And the season before (14/15)

Manager: Poyet

West Bromwich Albion 2–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 1–1 Manchester United
Queens Park Rangers 1–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 2–2 Tottenham Hotspur
Burnley 0–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–0 Swansea City
Sunderland 3–1 Stoke City
Southampton 8–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–2 Arsenal

And the season before that (13/14)

Manager: Dicanio

Sunderland 0 – 1 Fulham
Southampton 1 – 1 Sunderland
Crystal Palace 3 – 1 Sunderland
Sunderland 1 – 3 Arsenal
West Bromwich Albion 3 – 0 Sunderland
Sunderland 1 – 3 Liverpool
Sunderland 1 – 2 Manchester United
Swansea City 4 – 0 Sunderland


Do you not see a trend??... Under different managers... Still its Moyes' fault.... They have traditionally been shit starters for one reason or the other.

As the other poster said, Moyes may be a shit manager, but to put the current Sunderland performance on him is flawed as they have failed to have a good start under multiple managers....

This is not really a defense of Moyes, but more to suggest Sunderland are a shite team.
 
Jazz said:
Oh yeah, his little press buddies taking up for him. The fans will go nuts hearing that (they'll know how we felt!:lol:)

I have a funny feeling that all those years the press pulled the wool over our eyes trying to get their friend David a huge appointment - which they did. He did fairly ok at Everton, but you have to wonder at the constant narrative that he makes things work on a small budget, and inferring that if he could work with a larger budget and such, he could do so much better etc etc. They campaigned on his behalf for years, and we fell for it.

Now he's getting found out, no one going to buy that drivel about it not being 'his fault'.
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The English press will turn against him, just like they did with Rooney.

Once one or two of them does it, the rest will follow. Thats how they work.
 
bleedred said:
Results at the same stage last season

Manager: Advocat

Leicester City 4–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 1–3 Norwich City
Sunderland 1–1 Swansea City
Aston Villa 2–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–1 Tottenham Hotspur
AFC Bournemouth 2–0 Sunderland
Manchester United 3–0 Sunderland

And the season before (14/15)

Manager: Poyet

West Bromwich Albion 2–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 1–1 Manchester United
Queens Park Rangers 1–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 2–2 Tottenham Hotspur
Burnley 0–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–0 Swansea City
Sunderland 3–1 Stoke City
Southampton 8–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–2 Arsenal

And the season before that (13/14)

Manager: Dicanio

Sunderland 0 – 1 Fulham
Southampton 1 – 1 Sunderland
Crystal Palace 3 – 1 Sunderland
Sunderland 1 – 3 Arsenal
West Bromwich Albion 3 – 0 Sunderland
Sunderland 1 – 3 Liverpool
Sunderland 1 – 2 Manchester United
Swansea City 4 – 0 Sunderland


Do you not see a trend??... Under different managers... Still its Moyes' fault.... They have traditionally been shit starters for one reason or the other.

As the other poster said, Moyes may be a shit manager, but to put the current Sunderland performance on him is flawed as they have failed to have a good start under multiple managers....

This is not really a defense of Moyes, but more to suggest Sunderland are a shite team.
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The trend is that all those managers are shit, as are most of their players. To defend Moyes because other managers failed, is no different to people defending Rooney by saying he's not the worst player. It's not a valid defense and underperformers should be held accountable. Moyes has massively underperformed since leaving Everton.
 
K2K said:
The English press will turn against him, just like they did with Rooney.

Once one or two of them does it, the rest will follow. Thats how they work.
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They probably won't.

He's that guy you know who will always get a gig and nice enough to feed you non-stories for slow news days. Don't see them burning bridges.
 
The defence of Sunderland always making a shite start doesn't wash. It's Moyes' job not to do that and to reverse their fortunes. He's failed spectacularly so far.
 
Allardyce inherited a crap team last season and stayed up with them quite comfortably. Of course it's not easy and they have one of the worst squads in the league but a Champions League manager who is one of the best in the game (as Moyes considers himself) should easily have them at least mildly competitive instead of losing every game.
 
Dans said:
“Ultimately you have to have good players on the pitch and, at the moment, we’re not getting enough good players on the pitch. We need to get a better team, it’s as simple as that. We need to get a team which can give us results.”

Way to motivate the players you need to do a job for you until January!

And does he not think by throwing the entire current team under the bus that he may struggle to attract a better quality of player in January?

Dickhead.
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He's been at that forever, he was saying similar things at United i.e. I am a great manager who could get huge results but I need much better players because the ones I'm currently managing do not even deserve to look at me.

He's been basically blaming the players everywhere. They're never good enough to play for a special manager like smug Dave. Must feel absolutely great to hear that manager who fields you thinks you are absolute shower of shite.

BTW this quote is even better:

“I don’t know that I’m necessarily an arm-around-the-shoulder man,” Moyes said. “I want to see men stand up and take responsibility, be tough and take the challenge on. At the moment we’re not doing the basics well enough; not heading it and kicking it when we get the chance or doing the picking up and marking we need to do.

“The players need to take responsibility. It can’t always be me leading them by the hand and showing them where they should be and what they should do.”

Well, it can't always be Moyesy telling them. He's giving them great instructions, telling them to win the game, to not concede, but he cannot always do it for them. The players need to be held responsible, not smug Dave. He's been perfect.

Remember the time he said 'I got Man Utd into Champions League quarter final'? It was HIM, not the players, it was HIM. Except when we lost, then it was players. It's happening again.

God, he's honestly one of the most dislikeable people in football.
 
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Dans said:
“Ultimately you have to have good players on the pitch and, at the moment, we’re not getting enough good players on the pitch. We need to get a better team, it’s as simple as that. We need to get a team which can give us results.”

Way to motivate the players you need to do a job for you until January!

And does he not think by throwing the entire current team under the bus that he may struggle to attract a better quality of player in January?

Dickhead.
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I'd tell him to feck off my boss says that
 
His constant blaming of everyone but himself will be his undoing. Players won't want to play for him and fans will quickly get fed up with him (many Sunderland fans already are from what I've seen on their forum) I'll be shocked if he's not sacked before the season ends.
 
I've seen a couple of people on the Sunderland forum say that they've heard he's already not particularly popular amongst the staff and players, which wouldn't surprise me. I'd quickly get fed up with him with some of self-serving rubbish he comes out with.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
His constant blaming of everyone but himself will be his undoing. Players won't want to play for him and fans will quickly get fed up with him (many Sunderland fans already are from what I've seen on their forum) I'll be shocked if he's not sacked before the season ends.
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There's surely a real danger he'll be gone in a few weeks if they lose their next few league games.
 
K2K said:
Who thought they would ever turn against Rooney?

Martin Samuel is one who has started criticizing Moyes, and he is one of the biggest journalists in the land.
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Players have a definite shelf life, even the best ones. Moysie is the kind of British manager you can envision yo-yoing through relegation teams for ages.

I'm not excluding the possibility, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. It's a frat pack.
 
Cheesy said:
The defence of Sunderland always making a shite start doesn't wash. It's Moyes' job not to do that and to reverse their fortunes. He's failed spectacularly so far.
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No just him, every other manager who they have stared with in the past few seasons....

So you have to wonder if any other manager would have succeeded leading this team. You can say that Big sam rejuvenated the team in secondhalf of last season. But so did the previous managers and the failed the next season.

AndyJ1985 said:
The trend is that all those managers are shit, as are most of their players. To defend Moyes because other managers failed, is no different to people defending Rooney by saying he's not the worst player. It's not a valid defense and underperformers should be held accountable. Moyes has massively underperformed since leaving Everton.
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Nail on head...You can only work with what you have got.

I am not denying Moyes underperformed, I was saying Sunderland's form is not due to him as was evident with the previous managers who rescued them in the second half of a season and yet failed.
 
bleedred said:
Resu

lts at the same stage last season

Manager: Advocat

Leicester City 4–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 1–3 Norwich City
Sunderland 1–1 Swansea City
Aston Villa 2–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–1 Tottenham Hotspur
AFC Bournemouth 2–0 Sunderland
Manchester United 3–0 Sunderland

And the season before (14/15)

Manager: Poyet

West Bromwich Albion 2–2 Sunderland
Sunderland 1–1 Manchester United
Queens Park Rangers 1–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 2–2 Tottenham Hotspur
Burnley 0–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–0 Swansea City
Sunderland 3–1 Stoke City
Southampton 8–0 Sunderland
Sunderland 0–2 Arsenal

And the season before that (13/14)

Manager: Dicanio

Sunderland 0 – 1 Fulham
Southampton 1 – 1 Sunderland
Crystal Palace 3 – 1 Sunderland
Sunderland 1 – 3 Arsenal
West Bromwich Albion 3 – 0 Sunderland
Sunderland 1 – 3 Liverpool
Sunderland 1 – 2 Manchester United
Swansea City 4 – 0 Sunderland


Do you not see a trend??... Under different managers... Still its Moyes' fault.... They have traditionally been shit starters for one reason or the other.

As the other poster said, Moyes may be a shit manager, but to put the current Sunderland performance on him is flawed as they have failed to have a good start under multiple managers....

This is not really a defense of Moyes, but more to suggest Sunderland are a shite team.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sunderland is a shit team, Moyes is a shit manager.

If Moyes was a decent manager, he'd improve them.
 
bleedred said:
So you have to wonder if any other manager would have succeeded leading this team.
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Well, yes, they probably would have. There isn't a magical voodoo curse hanging over the club that means they'll always start poorly and finish strongly.
 
bleedred said:
No just him, every other manager who they have stared with in the past few seasons....

So you have to wonder if any other manager would have succeeded leading this team. You can say that Big sam rejuvenated the team in secondhalf of last season. But so did the previous managers and the failed the next season.
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And? The reason he's been brought in is because he's supposed to be better than those previous managers. It's his job to reverse that, and if he's a CL caliber as he seems to believe then he'd be able to do it.
 
Cheesy said:
And? The reason he's been brought in is because he's supposed to be better than those previous managers. It's his job to reverse that, and if he's a CL caliber as he seems to believe then he'd be able to do it.
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Doesn't happen overnight specially at a club like Sunderland where the quality of players is seriously lacking. Is Moyes the right guy to do it?. I dont know.
 
I have never seen a manager so reluctant to take any responsibility like Moyes. Some of his comments are absolutely shocking.

Ultimately you have to have good players on the pitch and, at the moment, we’re not getting enough good players on the pitch. We need to get a better team, it’s as simple as that.
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What a clown.
 
Dans said:
“Ultimately you have to have good players on the pitch and, at the moment, we’re not getting enough good players on the pitch. We need to get a better team, it’s as simple as that. We need to get a team which can give us results.”

Way to motivate the players you need to do a job for you until January!

And does he not think by throwing the entire current team under the bus that he may struggle to attract a better quality of player in January?

Dickhead.
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He's actually such a fecking arsehole! Seriously you lot with the 'he seems like a nice bloke' shit need your heads checked.

Managerially his record is so bloody ordinary, especially now it's balanced out (against his Everton work) with his shit United, Sociedad and (so far) Sunderland reigns. You'd really think he was Pep Guardiola from the way he distances himself from any criticism.
 
Weird comments about not having enough good players. I think their squad is good enough to be finishing mid table
 
If he fails catastrophically again at Sunderland, would a Championship club even take him?

Phil Brown and Tony Mowbray were once Premier League managers, they're now at the bottom of the pile in League 1.

I can see Moyes going the same way.
 
Hammerfell said:
I've seen a couple of people on the Sunderland forum say that they've heard he's already not particularly popular amongst the staff and players, which wouldn't surprise me.
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After he left Everton and when he got sacked by United there were loads of rumours that he was not well liked by the staff at either club. He had no time for people supposedly, and at Everton he moved his office as far away from everyone elses as he could down a corridor. Think they called it the bunker or something, i imagine he's maybe just not a people person. Which is fine not everyone has to be happy go lucky and likeable, but it's not the type of personality you would normally associate with top level football management though.
 
stevoc said:
After he left Everton and when he got sacked by United there were loads of rumours that he was not well liked by the staff at either club. He had no time for people supposedly, and at Everton he moved his office as far away from everyone elses as he could down a corridor. Think they called it the bunker or something, i imagine he's maybe just not a people person. Which is fine not everyone has to be happy go lucky and likeable, but it's not the type of personality you would normally associate with top level football management though.
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The stories about him and Giggs are fecking terrifying.
Whatever about Giggs as a person, he loves United dearly so Moyes must have been even worse behind the scenes :O
 
Davit "it's not my fault" Moyes. I have never seen a manager with so many excuses in my life. Nothing is his fault.
 
.Rossi said:
The stories about him and Giggs are fecking terrifying.
Whatever about Giggs as a person, he loves United dearly so Moyes must have been even worse behind the scenes :O
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What stories are these?
 
2cents said:
What stories are these?
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Giggs basically sacked it off after awhile and walked out of a training session and then didn't bother showing up to some meetins. Moyes got Phil Neville to have a word with him but Giggs apparently told him it's pointless, as he Moyes never listened.

There was also the story of something Giggs said that night in Greece
 
.Rossi said:
Giggs basically sacked it off after awhile and walked out of a training session and then didn't bother showing up to some meetins. Moyes got Phil Neville to have a word with him but Giggs apparently told him it's pointless, as he Moyes never listened.

There was also the story of something Giggs said that night in Greece
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Ah right, didn't hear about that.
 
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