I think the whole trouble is that the owners are demanding that the taxpayers fit the bill for security at the stadium. They should be doing that themselves pay the police more more for more officers at games. They are so cheap and want everything free.
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Classy fans. Not to say the Chelsea fans are totally innocent but that's disgraceful carry on. Not remotely surprised though.
I for one cannot wait to get down there on 2nd Jan!
It's a good thing they are not in Europa League otherwise some fixtures would have been a nightmare.
The thread on Knees Up Mother Brown is pretty depressing: http://www.kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=166057&sid=fa8b3cedb7f009be9d87cf842b7ba465&start=800
The feeling of victimisation, laughing at local residents who'd quite like that their lives not be troubled by knuckle-draggers, sneering at the idea of stopping bigoted abuse by other fans, downplaying how a situation like that could escalate and just how bloody silly it all was.
Unfortunately, you'd probably get much the same reaction from most clubs' fans.
People... what a bunch of bastards.
The feeling of victimisation, laughing at local residents who'd quite like that their lives not be troubled by knuckle-draggers, sneering at the idea of stopping bigoted abuse by other fans, downplaying how a situation like that could escalate and just how bloody silly it all was.
Unfortunately, you'd probably get much the same reaction from most clubs' fans.
People... what a bunch of bastards.
I can see WHU getting hit with some serious sanctions very soon
I think this move is confirming that West Ham always were the premier London club for lads and firm. Impressive numbers, teams are coming and getting run ragged week after week. Probably best if we avoid little side streets, could definitely come unstuck. Let's just plot up in one of their main boozers and see what happens.
Beggars belief!
Spurs away in the late 80's was always one to get your arse twitchin.
I was in there last night and it is possibly the worst organisation and experience I can recall inside and outside the stadium over the last 20 years or so.
Groups of Chelsea support 100-200 in numbers were refused entry until after half time.
West Ham fans seem to be able wander to any part of the ground with their support in.Their support that was by the Chelsea lot was half empty during 1st half suddenly swelled up during 2nd.
Riot police were located outside ready to react to problems...i.e after the horse has bolted.
Fans with kids not being allowed to leave when trouble started .
After the match...fans from both sides being directed all over the place basically doing a lap of the stadium and were led towards each other on acouple of occasions causing minor skirmishes(handbags).
I spoke to some stewards during and after as well as fans from both sides. The stewards are employed by the Stadium contractors and a lot of them are learning on the job having no experience of football stadia before. Allegedly unsurprisingly a high turnover of staff.
There is a situation where you have 4 bodies...The stadium owners, West Ham, the security contractors and the Met police and none are singing from the same hymn book.
This needs to be sorted before there is a really serious incident inside or outside such as really bad injuries or worse.
With the FA cup in january, where away allocation can be 15% ... imagine if they are drawn at home to a big club with huge following or have a bit of a 'rep'
West Ham supporters are staying away in their droves and Chelsea fans I spoke to said they dont intend going back there until its sorted.
Nice surroundings, nice looking from the outside,
Not ready for football
Not fit for purpose
Groups of Chelsea support 100-200 in numbers were refused entry until after half time.
West Ham fans seem to be able wander to any part of the ground with their support in.Their support that was by the Chelsea lot was half empty during 1st half suddenly swelled up during 2nd.
Riot police were located outside ready to react to problems...i.e after the horse has bolted.
Fans with kids not being allowed to leave when trouble started .
After the match...fans from both sides being directed all over the place basically doing a lap of the stadium and were led towards each other on acouple of occasions causing minor skirmishes(handbags).
I spoke to some stewards during and after as well as fans from both sides. The stewards are employed by the Stadium contractors and a lot of them are learning on the job having no experience of football stadia before. Allegedly unsurprisingly a high turnover of staff.
There is a situation where you have 4 bodies...The stadium owners, West Ham, the security contractors and the Met police and none are singing from the same hymn book.
This needs to be sorted before there is a really serious incident inside or outside such as really bad injuries or worse.
With the FA cup in january, where away allocation can be 15% ... imagine if they are drawn at home to a big club with huge following or have a bit of a 'rep'
West Ham supporters are staying away in their droves and Chelsea fans I spoke to said they dont intend going back there until its sorted.
Nice surroundings, nice looking from the outside,
Not ready for football
Not fit for purpose
Yeah I've heard that too. The owners wouldn't pay for the radio system so there are blackspots inside and the police refuse to go inside without it, which is why they're all outside waiting to react rather than stationing inside to prevent trouble.
Weird seeing a such a shitty little club playing inside what looks like a beautiful stadium.
Feck west ham, shit team and organization
Yep you would have thought they would have sorted that out before they started using it!
Yeah the MET have refused to Police inside the stadium as the radio system is not fit for purpose and it would endanger officer safety.
They told WHU this prior to the move but they wouldn't upgrade it. .
So, is this a bad idea yet?
Wow, shock horror. A bunch of crooks with a bunch of neanderthals to follow them go into a shiney new place and wreck it.
It's only slightly more predictable than the chelsea thug claims that "they started it!"
Wow, shock horror. A bunch of crooks with a bunch of neanderthals to follow them go into a shiney new place and wreck it.
It's only slightly more predictable than the chelsea thug claims that "they started it!"
One of the few good things from the Thatcher government was bringing in all seater stadiums for the top division after Hillsborough. Unfortunately, some fans think they have a right to abuse this & be able to stand when watching games, & having a tantrum when not allowed. There should be zero tolerance & anyone wanting to stand should be ejected & be able to stand outside. Might actually bring more families back.
Football is meant to be a game for all including working men who would like to stand, not just families who naturally would like to sit.
There would be less problems if the government and FA accepted this and approved safe standing areas.
There was a reason all seaters were brought in. For peoples safety after Hillsborough. I wonder what the American working man thinks of this nonsense when they watch sport.
Nothing that tries to accommodate everyone ever works, because there is always a minority that ruin it for everyone. Everyone should sit, no exceptions.
Or the Germans who can safely watch the Bundesliga from safe standing areas or in a seat.
Also the NFL is having a lot of problems with fighting inside and outside of stadia at the moment.
Why? It works very well in the Bundesliga and safe standing areas are arguably safer than seating areas.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...crowd-violence-lucky-to-get-out-a3380321.html
8 year old girl pelted with coins by both Chelsea and West Ham fans.
Stay classy.
8 year old girl pelted with coins by both Chelsea and West Ham fans.
Stay classy.
Working well for Celtic too.
I don't think whether there's seats to sit on has much to do with a buch of Essex pretend cockney "lads" wanting to prove how hard and hooligan like they are. Especially not when there are opposition fans who have mobs of the same mindset to have at it with. Give them seats and evidentally they just use them to throw at people. Give them a standing area and they'll just use it to herd around.
The problem isn't really the stadium, it's the bellends West Ham football club attracts that end up filling it. You can police them better but not when you wont even pay for the police to be able to. Any area full of 50,000 West Ham fans is not going to be pleasant. Upton Park was bad enough.
Interesting how this thread seems to pretend that there are only football hooligans in and around London, which is ridiculous.
West Ham have a lot of security issues at this stadium, they need to sort them quickly before something goes beyond the unacceptable to tragedy.
West Ham have a lot of security issues at this stadium, they need to sort them quickly before something goes beyond the unacceptable to tragedy.
Read the thread and you'll see for yourself.
No one...but then there's also the fact that West Ham fans ARE worse than a majority of other fans in the country.
They have mobs of passive aggressive bellends who travel in to the games from Essex half looking for trouble. I know they do because if there's an evening game they inevitably end up on the same fecking train as me. The sort of dimwits you'd see picking fights with locals outside corner shops, or at a BNP gathering if there was still such a thing.
They have plenty of normal fans too, still a majority obviously, but your average Essex aggressive biggot or hard lad you can guarantee supports West Ham, and you can guarantee a lot of them snapped up the suddenly much more readily available season tickets too.
It'll either get to the point where the club is forced to reign them in or there will be more incidents. There were incidents when they were at Upton Park, but now the spotlight is there because they are tarnishing the Olympic legacy or something.
It's pretty pathetic that the club wont even pay for the security to actualy work properly as well. You'd think that would have been a pre-requisite. Everyone here predicted what would happen.
The west ham away fans seemed much more respectful than the people who travel to home games at the Olympic Stadium, maybe those people are just there looking for trouble?
Is this a wind up ?
Don't agree .
Its got nothing to do with bringing families back . I started going the match in the late 70's with me Da' through to the early 80's. Families were all around Anfield which coincided with Anfields worst years of football hooliganism.
So bollocks to that .
A strict policy on telling people to sitin their seats for 90 minutes . Have you ever been to a European Cup Semi or a game against Liverpool / United ?
As for you Thatcher comment.
Do you realise what part she and her Governement played in creating a tragedy like Hillsborough ? And then the cnuts covered it up !!
Give ya head a wobble .
Not having a go mate but please stop spouting mainstream SKY / Talksport bollocks .
This is absolute nonsense.
Thatcher's deliberate social engineering experiment involved controlling and altering the working man to break the strength of Unions, social cohesion and, inevitably, the Labour Party (which, frankly, worked brilliantly) impacted on football fans who were seen as utter scum by the Thatcher Govt. Thatcher's government were, in fact, complicit in the events that lead to Hillsborough (fencing, aggressive and callous policing) and the subsequent cover up.
There is also absolutely no reason why standing sections can't exist and work. They do in many countries.
People wanting to stand at football is also not synonymous with violence.
Not charging a bloody fortune might bring families back so it's not 200 quid a game in total expenditure.
I like you.
I remember ' that lot ' ( I use that term in jest as that what the gob of South Yorkshire Police called us ) Maggie and her Governement tried to push the ID card scheme on us all after the Millwall / Luton thing in the mid 80's.
Look at the bigger picture people .
You may not need telling this but I don't like her .
Led by the three stooges in Sullivan, Gold and Brady.
Apparently only 8 turnstiles open for Chelsea fans and a lot of them didny get into the ground until half time. Cant be good.
Also heard on t'auld wireless that at the end of the game there was an area of the ground where chelsea and hammers fans were at fairly close quarters. Not exactly the best way to avoid confrontation.
Stadium owners should be held to account and fined.
Also heard on t'auld wireless that at the end of the game there was an area of the ground where chelsea and hammers fans were at fairly close quarters. Not exactly the best way to avoid confrontation.
Stadium owners should be held to account and fined.
In fairness you can get a matchday ticket to united for £31. £200 would get you VIP breakfast at the cricket club before the match... if youre prawn sandwich inclined
And until that happens, STFD! Simples.
West Ham have identified 200 fans involved and will be banning them for life, let's see what Chelsea do.