haha, so a bloke when asked about his living situation isn't allowed to respond these days?
Feck me.
Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."
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haha, so a bloke when asked about his living situation isn't allowed to respond these days?
Feck me.
No, it tells us that some fans are so bloody precious that it becomes a huge talking point.
And as for "most of them calling our players wankers"... you need to get a handle of yourself.
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Time will tell if Mourinho was correct in going public with this but after 3 years of this club underperforming radical actions have been needed. We wanted to see more of the old Mourinho and this along with the touchline ban is more like it.
He also said it's not an impossible mission to change the culture so hopefully Shaw and whoever else can respond in the right way.
He also said it's not an impossible mission to change the culture so hopefully Shaw and whoever else can respond in the right way.
A poll on this would be interesting, a simple was he right/wrong to go public.
We have had the same debate in 2014 and it was bullshit at the time, also people forgot that it was Shaw who told LVG that he wasn't sharp enough and requested extra training.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...chester-United-for-Premier-League-season.html
Oh you all - here is Luke Shaw admitting to being unfit when he returned from the World Cup:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/manchester-united-shaw-takes-extra-9688538
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/manchester-united-shaw-takes-extra-9688538
Whilst I'm not too keen on Jose publicly shaming players, we as fans deserve to know if a player is refusing to play or not committed to the cause.
I think this is indicative of the scale of the job Jose has taken on. From the outside it looks like since SAF retired the players have become too comfortable. The squad has no personality. I hoped Zlatan would help but I think a new central defender or mid who is a nasty cnut is very much needed.
This is what I've been saying throughout this thread. We shouldn't be talking about negative surrounding our club after a decent result, nor anyone look to start trouble after a good result. Unfortunately it happened.
I mean right now we're basically whining among ourselves taking sides be it the manager or players when it should be all of us defending our manager against the media witch hunt, Us against the world.
Had nothing unecessary been said yesterday we wouldn't be in this state right now.
Fecking irritating.
No one's arguing against him trying to weed the nonsense out. The entire discussion is about the need to do this publicly.
Definitely wasn't a fat feck though was he? And players are generally unfit before pre-season, it's the whole point of the thing. It actually shows his maturity, and self awareness that he himself addresses the issue. And as @JPRouve posted, he himself requested the extra training to get in shape - and that was with him coming back from pre-season a week early.
Doesn't that tell more about his attitude, personality and mentality towards his career here, than pulling out of a game because he might've felt an injury/whatever after breaking his leg just a year ago?
Everyone keeps saying how all of this should be handled internally but who knows how long Jose has been dealing with these problems? Maybe this is some sort of last resort to get their attention and let them know it won't slide.
It's funny too, everyone demanded answers on Mykhitarian for the two months he was out to the point where it started to cause a problem and the press began kicking up a fuss as well. There isn't one right way to do things that will make everyone happy.
I don't see a problem with him calling players out. If he does it in private and the players won't react then he benches them and gets criticized for that as well since the fans and press don't know what's going on. If he calls them out publicly after the internal efforts don't work then the onus is on the player to change their attitude.
It's funny too, everyone demanded answers on Mykhitarian for the two months he was out to the point where it started to cause a problem and the press began kicking up a fuss as well. There isn't one right way to do things that will make everyone happy.
I don't see a problem with him calling players out. If he does it in private and the players won't react then he benches them and gets criticized for that as well since the fans and press don't know what's going on. If he calls them out publicly after the internal efforts don't work then the onus is on the player to change their attitude.
Can the poll say unnecessary instead of unfair?
Somehow people don't get that this is the grip some of us have with this whole incident.
Most of us are all in for Mou sticking the boot and harden the lads if he has to, change the mentality, whatever he feels need to be done.
That isn't an issue, that's just him tying to find a way to sort things out with his team.
But him going public with all this is downright consequential and unwise. We're already the whipping sack of meat the world have, no need to add further material for media and co to pile on us.
Wasn't a fat feck but still unfit - which he admitted there, so I have to assume if it's out of his own mouth, then it is an undisputed fact. I don't care how young you are - the club buys you for a stupid fee, you have no problem with your agent demanding a huge amount of money per week, so therefore, you should be mature enough to know that you do not turn up unfit at the start of your United career, to the extent he seemingly had done.
I'm not jumping all over him by the way, and it is good that he requested the extra training and he then went on to have a personal trainer during his holidays before the start of his second season. It shows he can do it if he puts his mind to it. Now he needs to learn that whilst you're at United, you need to keep working hard. I hope he takes the criticism in the right way and comes back strong. If he does this, he will be absolutely fine. I don't agree with everything Jose does and he still scares me some, but he's asking for full commitment here, and I have to agree in this instance. If we don't have the commitment, we'll keep being mid table.
Has Mourinho named any player specifically, in any of this? Genuine question because I've no idea and can't be arsed googling.
Because there's a big difference IMO between alluding to players in the squad that need to man up a bit and pointing the finger at a named individual.
Because there's a big difference IMO between alluding to players in the squad that need to man up a bit and pointing the finger at a named individual.
Said shaw wasn't feeling up to it before the game. Then had a go about (unnamed) players, 'who suffer with a little pain'. So everyone believes, it's Shaw.
He said Smalling and Shaw complained of injuries before going on his rant about playing through pain barriers. Then he said thanks to characters like Jones Rojo Darmien Young, its possible to get results.
This club needs a shake-up. I'm all for it. Fully expect us to lose a few players who refuse to change but that will benefit us in the long run.
I don't think he did which is the problem because it creates all sorts of speculation and fans are quick to make a list of new public enemies, based on nothing. You either say the truth clearly and openly or you deal with it in private but you can't just make cryptic comments every weeks.
I've said yes in this thread because in this instance I agree and don't think his comments were delivered in an uncontrolled manner. So he gets a pass from me this time, however, I don't really want this to be a constant thing from Jose. There are also subtle ways you can sometimes utilise to get your point across, and he should learn this as well.
But that's the thing, it doesn't matter how long he's been dealing with internal issues, he still has to keep them behind closed door. There is no sale by date on when to stop dealing with issues internally.
We're not the only ones with internal problems. Every clubs have them and take care of their dirty laundries in private which is how it should be done
The idea that LVG didn't like Shaw is bollocks. He praised him before the start of the 2015 season, even going so far as saying 'it shall be the season of Luke Shaw' or something to that effect.
So are we looking at a new LB in the Jan window ? Is Shaw done for good in Jose's books ?
What does a poll with two alternatives add to the discussion?
But this isn't exactly his first time he's had digs or gos at his players in this very short season so far which has started irritating me now.
The first time or 2 I tried to rationalise them as Mou giving a bit of much needed sticking then it kind of became frequent and I simply can't sing to that tune anymore.
So he is only talking about two players, he is pretending that two players are defining the current culture of Manchester United locker room? Is he completely daft? If it's just about two players then he shoudln't even mention it, he should just deal with these two and send them to Newcastle or Sunderland, by making that comment he implied that it was a pandemic problem, so yes it's a cryptic comment.
If people were being honest they'd choose C.
Posters who show their dislike for Mourinho in almost every post regardless of topic in slagging off Mourinho shocker.
Do one.
Posters who show their dislike for Mourinho in almost every post regardless of topic in slagging off Mourinho shocker.
Do one.
Of course, not. It's a wake up call more than anything else. For all we know the initial plan was to start him yesterday despite him being awful on Thursday. So, he must have faith in him after all. It's just that those people on here who didn't want Mourinho in the first place will use even the tiniest opportunity to have a dig at him.
Shame we don't have CBJ around
Seemingly there may be more with this attitude but Pogue asked if he mentioned anyone specifically and I'm just saying he did. I don' think he meant the United locker room is like that - if anything he said many in the locker room aren't like that and went on to name his back 4.
His culture point was a general point about how players are today, they either play through pain or they complain from niggles.
Bit of a lob sided poll. You could have had option 1 as Jose is God so I don't care what he does, he is right. This would balance your current number 3.
I think most would agree with players need a kick up the arse (that has been the score for the last 3 years), it is the public bashing that is an issue.
I think most would agree with players need a kick up the arse (that has been the score for the last 3 years), it is the public bashing that is an issue.
I understand what you're saying, and I don't want things in public either (I hate that). However, the players keep leaking stupid things. No matter how nice LVG was to them - he took on all criticism when he must have known he was getting betrayed in the dressing room - the players still didn't hesitate to throw shade at the man. They even ignored his instructions, and I believe some of them have been doing the same thing here. Either they can't take instructions and/or they are ungrateful. Like spoiled children, the more you give them, the more ungrateful they become.
So maybe they need a drastic calling out by the manager this time? Something to wake them up? I hope they use it in the right way. Honestly, it's difficult for me because I can see both sides of the argument. But what is undisputable is that our players need a wake up call and some ass kicking.
To restore a winning mentality one has to rebuild the foundation and along the way there will be some bricks that will not make the cut.
They'll have a lot of things to moan about I guess , because no matter what he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.Best thing would be to accept the fact that occasionally he'll say/do dickish things, while hoping he is a smarter and changed man and that within a year or so he'll start to take back to the level we were before.
There's a lot of that but it's also possible to back him as a manager, while thinking this is a bit off. I would be in that category (although haven't voted, as none of the options really fit how I feel).
I think Mourinho is a good manager and probably the best we could have hired. I'm seeing signs of improvement already - despite the crap results - and am reasonably optimistic he'll get us competitive again, either this season or next. So I'm 100% behind the guy.
But, I'm not a fan of his habit of moaning about individual players (or even small groups of players) to the press. To me, that's not a good way to get everyone pulling in the same direction and could go horribly wrong if things don't turn around on the pitch, sooner rather than later.
Fully agree with this