Some praise for Jose

[LawCharltonBest]

Can you link to that thread?
I wasn't a member of this forum at the time, but I'd imagine many would've thought that Moyes was going to be the greatest manager of all time, even though had never won a trophy in his life...some fans have crazy notions.
Even as recently as a few weeks ago, there was a thread criticizing Jose and that LVG should never have been let go.



He was the only man who was good enough to replace Fergie. Not Moyes. Not LVG or Pep (proved himself in 1 league, no EPL experience and requires the best player of all time to play for him to get great results). Ancelotti could've done well for us for 3 years, before moving on (he tends to stay at a club for about 2 years, before moving on).

I can't link on my tablet, but it's a thread called "Mourinho old/new chelsea manager" or something (if you type in Mourinho and tick thread titles only, it should be on the first or second page) then go to May 2013. I think around page 50 or 60.

It's interesting reading. I clicked on a couple of posters who had criticised him quite badly at the time and their recent postings were praising him. I even had a couple of negative posts I didn't remember writing.

 

[Thisistheone]

Remember that FA Cup tie at home to Sheffield Utd?

Even wininning that game felt shit.

It's the opposite right now.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Remember that FA Cup tie at home to Sheffield Utd?

Even wininning that game felt shit.

It's the opposite right now.

Yup. If Jose smells blood he will feast on that.

 

[togg]

Mou was originally the anti Manchester United per excellence. Sure he had that confidence, charisma and brilliance that a young SAF had. However his lack of patience with players (especially youths) and his over ambition that sometimes made him look a bit of a mercenary had not made him a very popular choice at OT.

I believe that his recent spat with Chelsea changed him. For the first time in maybe his entire career, Mou was ready to stay at a club and makes the necessary painful changes rather then just hop away from them as he did at clubs like Inter. It didn't turned out right for him. The owner didn't back him, information leaked to the team and right from the start Mou was a dead man walking as he lead a bunch of mercenaries who knew that the manager wanted them gone. I rarely say that but I can't think of any manager who would be in that situation and still be able to turn things around.

I believe that the timing is right as United and Mou need one another. We need a manager whose not only brilliant (LVG was a good manager too) but who also understand the club and the EPL. Mou on the other hand need a proper club that gives him support, stability and the respect a top manager demand and yearn for.

No one will ever be able to equal SAF's record. However I can see Mourinho becoming the second best manager this club had ever had. Maybe that's wishful thinking. However I do believe its a realistic goal

I think it is perfect timing. I wanted him after Fergie left, but in hindsight, I'm glad he didn't because no one was going to make that team work again and he wouldn't have either. What Mourinho has done is bought into the club ethic, heart and I truly believe it's going to turn him into even a better manager. He's managed at arguably just as illustrious clubs, but I really believe that this is the one he wanted. Interestingly, for all the arrogance and bravado, I think he started off extremely nervously, not quite as self assured as he usually is, probably because it was the position he really wanted badly. But he's settled, understood his players, understood what is required from a United team and his United team is turning into an attacking, entertaining one. Also today, I think we saw just how strong this squad is and how together they seem, supportive of each other. There is a feel good factor back that is blindingly obvious. I don't think he'll win the title this season of course, and perhaps won't even make top four, but no one can say there has not been an immense improvement and that the future is looking pretty good. I would be amazed if we don't win the title with him eventually...and also perhaps the Champions League.

 

[Escobar]

I can understand why he played a strong team. We all would have loved to see more youngsters involved but it was all about winning and not taking any risk. We need those wins right now and the team still has work to do. Next year, I hope it will be a bit different

 

[sugar_kane]

I can't link on my tablet, but it's a thread called "Mourinho old/new chelsea manager" or something (if you type in Mourinho and tick thread titles only, it should be on the first or second page) then go to May 2013. I think around page 50 or 60.

It's interesting reading. I clicked on a couple of posters who had criticised him quite badly at the time and their recent postings were praising him. I even had a couple of negative posts I didn't remember writing.

I'm almost certain half of the negativity in that thread would be sour grapes at us not getting him and being stuck with Gollum.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Ever since Fergie retired cup ties like these have been horrible. With crappy teams easily dragging us down to their level and showing us up in terms of commitment and desire. Reading are probably one of the stronger lower league teams we've faced during this period and the game couldn't have been easier. With not one of this summer's signings getting on the pitch. I've read a lot of comments about Mourinho spending his way to success but today was a great example of the high standards and ruthlessness professionalism he brings that have nothing to do with net spend. Major props are due to the manager for a very comfortable afternoon.

 

[kafta]

I think most rational fans always knew Jose can turn our fortunes around, but the problem revolved around style of play, negativity in the locker room, and generally going against club traditions.

But so far, I see a man who respects this club and its traditions to the utmost extent, and for the first time in years, i'm confident that this club is heading rapidly back to the top.

 

[podurban2]

I'm just very pleased Herrera and Pogba didn't play today. I was very worried, but Jose made GREAT decisions today.

 

[#07]

Ever since Fergie retired cup ties like these have been horrible. With crappy teams easily dragging us down to their level and showing us up in terms of commitment and desire. Reading are probably one of the stronger lower league teams we've faced during this period and the game couldn't have been easier. With not one of this summer's signings getting on the pitch. I've read a lot of comments about Mourinho spending his way to success but today was a great example of the high standards and ruthlessness professionalism he brings that have nothing to do with net spend. Major props are due to the manager for a very comfortable afternoon.

Totally agree. Sheffield United last year was a particular low point. We struggled to even have a shot that day, and at the end Van Gaal said we should be happy cos Sheffield United had no chances!

As you say, those who want to talk Mou down as a chequebook manager will dismiss the fact not one new signing played today. Mou has reignited the confidence of players whose morale was crucified by Moyes and Van Gaal. He's a great manager.

 

[Adebesi]

I think it is perfect timing. I wanted him after Fergie left, but in hindsight, I'm glad he didn't because no one was going to make that team work again and he wouldn't have either. What Mourinho has done is bought into the club ethic, heart and I truly believe it's going to turn him into even a better manager. He's managed at arguably just as illustrious clubs, but I really believe that this is the one he wanted. Interestingly, for all the arrogance and bravado, I think he started off extremely nervously, not quite as self assured as he usually is, probably because it was the position he really wanted badly. But he's settled, understood his players, understood what is required from a United team and his United team is turning into an attacking, entertaining one. Also today, I think we saw just how strong this squad is and how together they seem, supportive of each other. There is a feel good factor back that is blindingly obvious. I don't think he'll win the title this season of course, and perhaps won't even make top four, but no one can say there has not been an immense improvement and that the future is looking pretty good. I would be amazed if we don't win the title with him eventually...and also perhaps the Champions League.

A bit of self doubt after what happened at Chelsea as well? He's only human after all.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

We also played without Hererra or Shaw. Only two of our starting XI have been signed since David Moyes was in charge!

EDIT: Romero too. My bad.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

It's Reading at home folks. I've always been firmly on the JoMou camp but the praise is getting a bit over the top.

That said, he is restoring the high standard expected and were routine in the Fergie years, and it won't belong before we are back to bickering out the subs and how big the score line should have been rather than just pleased because of the dominant win. A most welcome change indeed.

 

[Billy Blaggs]

It's hard not to praise him though. We've got a swagger back into our play. I love watching us again rather than feeling it's my duty.

 

[devilish]

I think it is perfect timing. I wanted him after Fergie left, but in hindsight, I'm glad he didn't because no one was going to make that team work again and he wouldn't have either. What Mourinho has done is bought into the club ethic, heart and I truly believe it's going to turn him into even a better manager. He's managed at arguably just as illustrious clubs, but I really believe that this is the one he wanted. Interestingly, for all the arrogance and bravado, I think he started off extremely nervously, not quite as self assured as he usually is, probably because it was the position he really wanted badly. But he's settled, understood his players, understood what is required from a United team and his United team is turning into an attacking, entertaining one. Also today, I think we saw just how strong this squad is and how together they seem, supportive of each other. There is a feel good factor back that is blindingly obvious. I don't think he'll win the title this season of course, and perhaps won't even make top four, but no one can say there has not been an immense improvement and that the future is looking pretty good. I would be amazed if we don't win the title with him eventually...and also perhaps the Champions League.

Certainly we weren't ready for him. At the time we were in full 'value' strategy mode ie were we do not negotiate with super agents and aim on EPL proven talent. I still remembering Paddy completely thrashing a caller at his show for merely suggesting we should sign Ander Herrera. It was unthinkable that we could attract such names. Mourinho would have struggled in such scenario. Mou on the other hand was still the unpatient brat who thinks he could take on an entire squad because he was the 'special' one only to lose it big time when things start going wrong for him. Similar to Chelsea we also had our own set of players who resisted change or any attempt of pushing them out. So I cant see how the scenario would have been any different between us and Chelsea last year.

 

[Unlikely lad]

We also played without Hererra or Shaw. Only two of our starting XI have been signed since David Moyes was in charge!

EDIT: Romero too. My bad.

I'm a bit confused by this. Romero, Blind, Rojo, Fellaini, Martial, Mata?

 

[#07]

It's Reading at home folks. I've always been firmly on the JoMou camp but the praise is getting a bit over the top.

That said, he is restoring the high standard expected and were routine in the Fergie years, and it won't belong before we are back to bickering out the subs and how big the score line should have been rather than just pleased because of the dominant win. A most welcome change indeed.

It was Sheffield Utd at home a year ago, remember how fun that was..?

The fact we can steamroller teams now is down to Jose. He has changed the whole mindset of our team.

 

[carlosp]

 

[carlosp]

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I'm a bit confused by this. Romero, Blind, Rojo, Fellaini, Martial, Mata?

Confused too.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I'm a bit confused by this. Romero, Blind, Rojo, Fellaini, Martial, Mata?

Fellaini and Mata signed by Moyes. I mentioned Romero in my edit.

I was still wrong, though. Should have said 3 of our starting XI (plus Romero)

The point being that we cruised to a win mainly using players who've been here throughout three dreadful seasons. So we upped our game without needing to buy a whole new team.

 

[Pexbo]

I can't link on my tablet, but it's a thread called "Mourinho old/new chelsea manager" or something (if you type in Mourinho and tick thread titles only, it should be on the first or second page) then go to May 2013. I think around page 50 or 60.

It's interesting reading. I clicked on a couple of posters who had criticised him quite badly at the time and their recent postings were praising him. I even had a couple of negative posts I didn't remember writing.

Thanks for highlighting that, it was a good read in hindsight. Pleased with my posts from it:

2012:

I don't think he'll come to us for the same reason Barca chose to go with Pep over him.

Barca, like us, have a lot of continuity in their backroom staff, lots of promotions from within, ex players taking up coaching roles. Almost all their coaching staff have been on the books as players at some point.

What Mourinho wanted to do was bring in his own team which would strip the club of all it has built.

Imagine Mourinho came here and we let go of Phelan, McClair, McGuinness, Meulensteen and Swire to accommodate his team. Then in 4 or 5 years when he has perhaps won a couple of leagues and a European Cup or two, he leaves and takes his team and we're back to square one. We have to build a new backroom up and every part of the continuity system Ferguson has in place is smashed to pieces.

If Mourinho was willing to come here and fit in at the club without overhauling and bringing in his team, I'd welcome him but I wonder how successful he would be without them.

If I was right about this it makes the Moyes saga even more of a debacle.

We worried about Mourinho getting rid of Phelan, Meulesteen et al and bringing in Faria, Lauro and Co.

Instead we get Moyes who strips the backroom staff and brings in Lumsden, Round and Co.

Frightening really.

One thing, and a very important thing, the club will need to assess is how long they expect to get from the next manager. 3 Years, 5 years, 8 years, 10 or more years?

The next thing is how quickly do we expect to achieve some success, how much success and how long would we put up with without any real success? Fergie famously had 6 years but that's in a different era when we were a different club.

This was the burning question when Fergie was still around and we all believed we had patience. Turns out what we actually have is standards.

I also think as a club there has been an opinion shift on how long we expect a manager to stay for. Longevity is a byproduct of success, not the other way round and it's better to have 3 or 4 years of jubilant success and deal with the hangover when it comes than have a long period of mediocre stability.

The condition of the squad will be a key factor. I also think it will be interesting to see of Ferguson leaves a young team approaching its peak with lots of talent or whether he milks what he can put of his team and leaves work and funds for his successor to have his own space and time to form his own project.

It'll be interesting times that is for sure. I've only ever know 1 manager at this club as he took over a matter of weeks after I was born.

The answer to my question, I think, is that he did both. He miked the last drips of talent out of his liutenants, left some talented younger players and also left the opportunity to make changes and put a stamp on the squad.

Moyes shit the bed and didn't have a clue how to hand it though.

 

[Unlikely lad]

Fellaini and Mata signed by Moyes. I mentioned Romero in my edit.

I was still wrong, though. Should have said 3 of our starting XI (plus Romero)

The point being that we cruised to a win mainly using players who've been here throughout three dreadful seasons. So we upped our game without needing to buy a whole new team.

Right.

I agree that it's a world away from our performances against lesser teams during the past 3 years. Plenty of factors involved in my opinion; obviously Jose is the main one, but the recent surge in confidence plus the fact that teams don't seem to turn up expecting much are both fairly new things since SAF retired.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

It was Sheffield Utd at home a year ago, remember how fun that was..?

The fact we can steamroller teams now is down to Jose. He has changed the whole mindset of our team.

We beat Crawley 1-0 at OT under Fergie in a performance even direr than the Sheffield game.

He's doing well, but the opponent yesterday was exactly what we should put away with minimal fuss if we are to return to dominance. You could see how annoyed he was at the two chances Rasher missed in the 1st half. He expects more from himself and the team and imo we should too.

 

[gulli_G]

Yes Mitten you should take the credit.

 

[sugar_kane]

Right.

I agree that it's a world away from our performances against lesser teams during the past 3 years. Plenty of factors involved in my opinion; obviously Jose is the main one, but the recent surge in confidence plus the fact that teams don't seem to turn up expecting much are both fairly new things since SAF retired.

That was the key for me yesterday, Reading played like they were beaten before they stepped on the pitch which shows some of our air aura is returning.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Right.

I agree that it's a world away from our performances against lesser teams during the past 3 years. Plenty of factors involved in my opinion; obviously Jose is the main one, but the recent surge in confidence plus the fact that teams don't seem to turn up expecting much are both fairly new things since SAF retired.

Yup. OT starting go get that fear factor back. Mourinho's always had a sensational home record, at every club.

 

[RedStarUnited]

Its not about the kids right now for me. It was about fine tuning the players who are out of form or those that need to be ready when needed.

We need Martial,Rashford to keep improving their form. We need Mata, Fellaini, Smalling etc to be ready to step in when needed.

 

[#07]

We beat Crawley 1-0 at OT under Fergie in a performance even direr than the Sheffield game.

He's doing well, but the opponent yesterday was exactly what we should put away with minimal fuss if we are to return to dominance. You could see how annoyed he was at the two chances Rasher missed in the 1st half. He expects more from himself and the team and imo we should too.

When we had Fergie there were mitigating circumstances for your Burton Albion games. With Van Gaal being bored to death was a weekly event.

Nobody is celebrating anything other than getting back to easily beating teams we should. Its been a few years now so you can forgive the outpouring of relief/belief. After all, our last manager said the fans expectations were too high and we were living in the past. The guy before him wanted to make it difficult for Newcastle!

Its the first time since 2009 that we have won eight on the spin. I think Mourinho can, and should, be congratulated for his part in that. We look a million miles from where Moyes and Van Gaal took us.

 

[sunama]

I can't link on my tablet, but it's a thread called "Mourinho old/new chelsea manager" or something (if you type in Mourinho and tick thread titles only, it should be on the first or second page) then go to May 2013. I think around page 50 or 60.

I have found some threads regarding this and I shall quote some people from those threads...not to criticize, but just to have a light hearted look at what the general feeling at the time was, regarding Moyes and Jose. Let's begin:

Not sure if this was serious:

David Moyes >>>>Mourinho

But this guy was serious...
Moyes. All our best managers are Scottish.

I have never wanted him anywhere near OT has manager.

This guy really does not like Jose...I wonder if he still feels the same:
Neither, as neither will stay for any real length of time, mourinho is a complete tosser of the highest order.

This guy convinced himself that Moyes used to regularly beat Jose:

Didn't Moyes' Everton regularly own Maureen's Chelsea?

Then there were those who knew from the very beginning that Moyes was not the man.

Please don't use the phrase "David Moyes' United" until we absolutely have to...

Comparison of Moyes vs Jose:

What's next Lada vs Ferrari?
Wright brothers glider vs F16?

This guy predicted our team, if Moyes joined us.
We did try and get Baines. We successfully purchased Fellaini.

De gea

Coleman Rio Vidic Baines

Rooney Osman Carrick Kagawa

Fellaini

Van Persie

This guy said it the best:

No brainer, the best manager in the world (in 2 weeks when the current best manager retires) with near unlimited funds, against err... someone who does quite well with limited funds and no CL experience and never won anything...

It's interesting that even when Moyes was about to be hired, many fans were not pro-Moyes, so it wasn't as if the Moyes failure came as a complete surprise. Many fans knew that failure was inevitable and that Jose was the man to take over SAF. It took 3 years of poor performances, but they did eventually get their wish. The question is why could SAF not see this?

 

[carlosp]

I can't link on my tablet, but it's a thread called "Mourinho old/new chelsea manager" or something (if you type in Mourinho and tick thread titles only, it should be on the first or second page) then go to May 2013. I think around page 50 or 60.

It's interesting reading. I clicked on a couple of posters who had criticised him quite badly at the time and their recent postings were praising him. I even had a couple of negative posts I didn't remember writing.

Can't find the thread. Please provide the link.

Nevermind. Found.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mourinho-new-old-chelsea-manager.286827/

 

[carlosp]

Was back at work today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nho-Carrington-working-Sunday-FA-Cup-win.html

The Beast

 

[ash_86]

The look on him after Rashford rounded the keeper says everything. His passion for excellence and putting teams away is the medicine that we require to get out of mid table crisis. We are starting to look more like Jose's Real than Jose's Chelsea. All credits to him for the turnaround

 

[ManUchosenbosslvg]

Was back at work today.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nho-Carrington-working-Sunday-FA-Cup-win.html

The Beast

Are we to believe José is dragged out onto the field in his little training trailer to set up all the equipment for sessions? I'm not having that ffs.

There's people lapping it up in the comments on his Instagram and I can see the thinking behind trying to portray him like this compared to the image he's created himself but this just looks manufactured to me.

Most of these big clubs have a large staff at their training complex, the sessions are organised well in advance and there's staff assigned to have the necessary equipment in each zone for the whole training session.

It's a funny thought to have José out unlocking the equipment shed and filling the trailer with the necessary equipment before driving out, measuring the distances and sticking the distance markers in the ground

 

[Thisistheone]

Mourinho's always had a sensational home record, at every club.

Just wondering why this is?

His home record is indeed sensational. Think it was April 2014 he finally lost a PL game at the Bridge? Ridiculously good.

 

[Giant Midget]

Just wondering why this is?

His home record is indeed sensational. Think it was April 2014 he finally lost a PL game at the Bridge? Ridiculously good.

His sides are extremely well-drilled and defensively immaculate. Helps to turn those one-off 1-0 flukey losses at home that big teams sometimes suffer into draws.

He also takes a safety-first approach in big games (or at least he did at Chelsea, he's had to open up a bit at Madrid). Let's see how we set up against Liverpool. Does he go for the same approach as at Anfield or are we more adventurous?

 

[Thisistheone]

His sides are extremely well-drilled and defensively immaculate. Helps to turn those one-off 1-0 flukey losses at home that big teams sometimes suffer into draws.

He also takes a safety-first approach in big games (or at least he did at Chelsea, he's had to open up a bit at Madrid). Let's see how we set up against Liverpool. Does he go for the same approach as at Anfield or are we more adventurous?

Yeah, that makes sense. Unlike LvG, under Jose we actually go for it against the 'smaller' sides at home. And safetly first in the big games makes sense.

LvG man... The defeats to West Brom and Norwich, playing the most safety first football ever, were crushing.

 

[RedCurry]

Perhaps one of the greatest qualities of Mourinho is that he is adaptable. Out of all the managers in top 6, Mourinho is the most flexible manager in terms of style of play. We saw another example of it against Reading where we started the game with Rojo, Carrick, Blind and Valencia playing long balls in behind. That essentially completely negated their high press.

We seem to be able to change our game according to our opposition, something I don't think many managers are capable of. It really works if the players buy into it.

 

[crossy1686]

Are we to believe José is dragged out onto the field in his little training trailer to set up all the equipment for sessions? I'm not having that ffs.

There's people lapping it up in the comments on his Instagram and I can see the thinking behind trying to portray him like this compared to the image he's created himself but this just looks manufactured to me.

Most of these big clubs have a large staff at their training complex, the sessions are organised well in advance and there's staff assigned to have the necessary equipment in each zone for the whole training session.

It's a funny thought to have José out unlocking the equipment shed and filling the trailer with the necessary equipment before driving out, measuring the distances and sticking the distance markers in the ground

Jesus, is a man not allowed to jump into the back of a van to pick some bibs up anymore without being a commercial joke? You might want to talk to someone about your trust issues.

The blokes only doing his job!

 

[ChaddyP]

Perhaps one of the greatest qualities of Mourinho is that he is adaptable. Out of all the managers in top 6, Mourinho is the most flexible manager in terms of style of play. We saw another example of it against Reading where we started the game with Rojo, Carrick, Blind and Valencia playing long balls in behind. That essentially completely negated their high press.

We seem to be able to change our game according to our opposition, something I don't think many managers are capable of. It really works if the players buy into it.

this is very true, we always had in our heads that Jose was this defensive manager that only played one way.

when the truth is anything but that. His first Chelsea side played completely different from his second Chelsea side. his Porto side played differently, his Inter side set up very very different and his Real Madrid side were totally different than any of his other teams.

Now he's doing it again with his Manchester United side, where we play in so many different ways depending on the player selection.

He plays to the strength of the players he has and gets the best out of them. All the other managers need certain type of players yo play a certain way only. Jose can play anyway you want. It's fascinating

 

[RedCurry]

this is very true, we always had in our heads that Jose was this defensive manager that only played one way.

when the truth is anything but that. His first Chelsea side played completely different from his second Chelsea side. his Porto side played differently, his Inter side set up very very different and his Real Madrid side were totally different than any of his other teams.

Now he's doing it again with his Manchester United side, where we play in so many different ways depending on the player selection.

He plays to the strength of the players he has and gets the best out of them. All the other managers need certain type of players yo play a certain way only. Jose can play anyway you want. It's fascinating

His Chelsea side was always going to be defensive in his first year of second spell. Chelsea hierarchy weren't prepared to spend big. 2014-15 season where he got the money to spend on Costa and Fabregas, he won the league before Christmas.

Things that Mourinho doesn't seem to compromise on are talent, attitude, stamina and injury record. It makes it easier for us to get quality players regardless of their style of play and I would feel confident that Mourinho can play them the way he wants.