David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

RedPed said:
If you could spend their £40 for them, who would you get?
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I would've taken Fabio over Love for starts.

And Steven Defour over Paddy McNair.

Llorente over Januzaj.

Skittles went for 6m.

Not to say they could get all these, I mean, Moyes is managing so they'd probably say get fecked. But a good manager can defo still make 40m eur work.

GK
Fabio Skittles O'Shea Aanholt
Larsson Defour Rodwell Borini
Llorente Defoe​

Aint half bad for just 23m eur, a lot better than the shite weak sides they are putting out due to Moyesy's transfer dealings for 17m eur more this summer.
 
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RedPed said:
If you could spend their £40 for them, who would you get?
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Obviously wages has to be taken into consideration, so we don't know for sure whether or not they can afford cast-off from top 6-8 clubs, but Fellaini for a start would be a great get for them instead of the £16m spunked on what-his-face who already effed of to AFCON. They looked to bolster their defensive midfield and CB options in the summer (Love, McNair), and given that Gueye went to Everton for just £7m after one year in the Premier League, it's not unfeasible he can find a player of similar profile in the French/Portuguese league instead of £5m for McNair. For forward position, Timo Werner for example probably would have chosen Sunderland ahead of Leipzig had they gone in for him.

He didn't widen his radar.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I would've taken Fabio over Love for starts.

And Steven Defour over Paddy McNair.

Llorente over Januzaj.

Skittles went for 6m.

Not to say they could get all these, I mean, Moyes is managing so they'd probably say get fecked. But a good manager can defo still make 40m eur work.

GK
Fabio Skittles O'Shea Aanholt
Larsson Defour Rodwell Borini
Llorente Defoe​

Aint half bad for just 23m eur, a lot better than the shite sides they are putting out due to Moyesy's transfer dealing for 17m eur more this summer.
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InfiniteBoredom said:
Obviously wages has to be taken into consideration, so we don't know for sure whether or not they can afford cast-off from top 6-8 clubs, but Fellaini for a start would be a great get for them instead of the £16m spunked on what-his-face who already effed of to AFCON. They looked to bolster their defensive midfield and CB options in the summer (Love, McNair), and given that Gueye went to Everton for just £7m after one year in the Premier League, it's not unfeasible he can find a player of similar profile in the French/Portuguese league instead of £5m for McNair. For forward position, Timo Werner for example probably would have chosen Sunderland ahead of Leipzig had they gone in for him.

He didn't widen his radar.
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Those are decent shouts tbf, but you also need to factor in the "would I want to go there" element. That would conversely restrict his radar somewhat. There must be some decent loan players available that could help them out and get regular football for the rest of the season. If only they'd nabbed players like Ake before he was recalled...and even Jack Wilshere.
 
RedPed said:
Those are decent shouts tbf, but you also need to factor in the "would I want to go there" element. That would conversely restrict his radar somewhat. There must be some decent loan players available that could help them out and get regular football for the rest of the season. If only they'd nabbed players like Ake before he was recalled...and even Jack Wilshere.
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Fabio went just down to road so you'd have to imagine "yes" there. Defour went to bloody Burnley of all places.

And surely Llorente would love to speak Spanish with Moyesy rather than be in Swansea?
 
Bojan11 said:
Moyes signed Djilobodji, McNair, Love, Manquilo and N'dong.

All those signings have been shit. All Moyes had to do was get the defence right as Sunderland have a 15 goal striker which the other teams around them don't have.
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I agree, to be honest. Those signings are terrible. I'm just saying that Sunderland have been hanging on by a thread for years.
 
Ixion said:
At United he came out with this one

"I'm disappointed that we're not in a much stronger position. I'm disappointed with how we have played. I will ultimately take the rap for that, but what I will do is make it right. I'm going to get better players in"
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:lol:
 
sunama said:
I joined this forum because of Moyes and what he was doing to MUFC.
Everybody around me kept saying, "give him time". I was thinking, "the more time we give him, the further down he will take us".
This forum was mental therapy, to combat the frustration of nobody agreeing with me that Moyes was not the man.

That link you posted, is basically me, 3 years ago



I completely understand how the OP of that thread feels, but if you keep reading the thread, you will see that virtually every reply is in defence of Moyes. :wenger:
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They are a match made in heaven. These cnuts deserve a cnut and i hope they stick with him in the Championship too and never go up again. If you are that thick and blame everyone bar Moyes, then you deserve the worst. The excuses they make up are hilarious.
 
Just watched MOTD from the weekend: feck me, Moyes is doing a terrible job at Sunderland. I mean, Stoke absolutely destroyed them at home. How he's still in a job is completely beyond me.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I would've taken Fabio over Love for starts.

And Steven Defour over Paddy McNair.

Llorente over Januzaj.

Skittles went for 6m.

Not to say they could get all these, I mean, Moyes is managing so they'd probably say get fecked. But a good manager can defo still make 40m eur work.

GK
Fabio Skittles O'Shea Aanholt
Larsson Defour Rodwell Borini
Llorente Defoe​

Aint half bad for just 23m eur, a lot better than the shite weak sides they are putting out due to Moyesy's transfer dealings for 17m eur more this summer.
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O'Shea starting? No mention of Pickford? Borini on the left-hand side of a 4 man midfield? Rodwell?

Have you even watched Sunderland at all this season/some of these players in recent memory?
 
RedPed said:
I don't think they're defending Moyes per se. Their gripe is mainly with the owner Ellis Short. They seem resigned to their fate but they understand/acknowledge that Moyes came in with a shite team and no money. A bit of realism you might say. That being said, he should be doing better. Even Hull who are arguably in a worse predicament are giving it a go.
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Come on mate you can't really believe that, he broke their transfer record and spent more than any other manager in Sunderland's history last summer. Granted with market inflation it's less, but £40m+ is similar to some of Ferguson's biggest transfer windows.
 
stevoc said:
Come on mate you can't really believe that, he broke their transfer record and spent more than any other manager in Sunderland's history last summer. Granted with market inflation it's less, but £40m+ is similar to some of Ferguson's biggest transfer windows.
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Read the forums mate. Their anger is with the board. Yeah Moyes has been shite as to be expected but like you say, £40m is nothing these days, especially with the PL revenues that clubs get. And really?? You can't be comparing Fergie's spending with what's going on now. Even Crystal Palace are doing them sort of numbers now. I'm not defending Moyes, I'm just saying that they're not just angry with him.
 
He does come across a very dour manager. Given enough time I think he could get in a group of players to play for him and build an ethic like he had at Everton but right now he's quick to absolve himself.
 
RedPed said:
Read the forums mate. Their anger is with the board. Yeah Moyes has been shite as to be expected but like you say, £40m is nothing these days, especially with the PL revenues that clubs get.
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£40m is not nothing mate. They must have spent the more than a fair amount of premier league teams last summer. Adding that to a squad that avoided relegation last year should have seen them sitting lower mid-table or at least above the relegation zone. Instead of bottom with only 15 points and on course for a 24-28 point season.

RedPed said:
And really?? You can't be comparing Fergie's spending with what's going on now. Even Crystal Palace are doing them sort of numbers now. I'm not defending Moyes, I'm just saying that they're not just angry with him.
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I take it you missed the bit where i mentioned inflation then? I obviously wasn't comparing them directly, but 4-5 years ago a £40-50m window has you in or around the top 4 so it should be enough to give you a good chance of avoiding relegation these days.

It's amazing that in Moyes last two premier league jobs he came in and spent more than his predecessor but immediately expectations plummet and the jobs are made out to be mission impossible scenario's where he has no chance to succeed. Daves press buddies really play their part.
 
So (might be wrong)
Sunderland bought 5 players
+ 1 free transfer
and 3 loans.

So from the players he bought, this means he got people he wanted and is struggling with them, or he bought people for the sake of it.
Which is worse considering their position?
 
Sylar said:
So (might be wrong)
Sunderland bought 5 players
+ 1 free transfer
and 3 loans.

So from the players he bought, this means he got people he wanted and is struggling with them, or he bought people for the sake of it.
Which is worse considering their position?
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I imagine most of the players he signed were ones he wanted as he worked with most of them before. But Moyes problem is he is very reluctant to sign players he doesn't know well or hasn't scouted extensively, add that to his habit of waiting until the last week of the window. Which resulted in him having a very small pool of potential players he had to sign from. Most managers would have taken more punts on players and hoped a few of them paid off.

Basically with Moyes style of management he needs to be guaranteed 3-4 years without the sack to assemble a decent squad of players he's had a lot of time to scout to play his particular brand of football.
 
DannyCAFC said:
O'Shea starting? No mention of Pickford? Borini on the left-hand side of a 4 man midfield? Rodwell?

Have you even watched Sunderland at all this season/some of these players in recent memory?
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It was just a quick mock up of players he could have signed for less money that would've improved his starting 11. Thought it was obvious that the players in red & not the current players were the relevant part.
 
stevoc said:
I imagine most of the players he signed were ones he wanted as he worked with most of them before. But Moyes problem is he is very reluctant to sign players he doesn't know well or hasn't scouted extensively, add that to his habit of waiting until the last week of the window. Which resulted in him having a very small pool of potential players he had to sign from. Most managers would have taken more punts on players and hoped a few of them paid off.

Basically with Moyes style of management he needs to be guaranteed 3-4 years without the sack to assemble a decent squad of players he's had a lot of time to scout to play his particular brand of football.
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Moyes wouldn't sign Messi without scouting him extensively.
 
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Ixion said:
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"The fans left early because there is only one road out here, not just because of the result."
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What a comment. Utterly bewildering what goes through his head.

SwansonsTache said:
Throwing his players under the bus again, how unexpected.

Honest and hard working. Really stands by his boys and weather the storm, each and every time.

How this fraud got a job beyond washing the kits at MUFC will never cease to amaze me.
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I wouldn't even trust him to wash the kits to be honest. He strikes me as the kind of tool that would wash reds with whites and then blame the washing machine when the colours run. And then complain that the washing machine was already there and anyone would struggle to do well with it.

A buffoon of a man.
 
Robbie Boy said:
They still seem to be backing him over on the Sunderland RTG forum.
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He'll do an awful job, get rightly fired, and then say to reporters: "There used to be a football club over there, y'know."
 
I assume when he becomes a pundit like for BT Sport in a few years time it will say "David Moyes - Honest and Hardworking".
 
All the up-and-coming managers that have one chance, fail and then never see another job. Then you have David Moyes, master of the shaggy defence (it wasn't me) getting a free ride for complete failure in his last 2 jobs, and impending doom in his current one. It's ok though, because he kept Everton in perpetual mediocrity for a long time several years ago.
 
Robbie Boy said:
They still seem to be backing him over on the Sunderland RTG forum.
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For the life of me I cannot understand why. Even not accounting for my dislike of Sunderland fans and making some comment about their choice in supporting Sunderland to begin with, what do they see that makes them think that Moyes can keep them up?
 
Ixion said:
"The first 20 minutes or so was really poor. All our own doing, terrible mistakes for all three goals.

"The players need to take responsibility and stop making individual mistakes, but I didn't think our overall performance was that bad.

"The fans left early because there is only one road out here, not just because of the result."
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And that road goes straight to the championship.
 
What was that fans leaving comment about. There's just one road from Sunderland stadium or what? :lol:
 
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