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Should Wenger be sacked?
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I understand the Arsenal fans frustration and if i were a gooner i'd wanted him gone. He last won the league in 03/04, that's a long time ago and has pretty much been living of CL qualification since then. His defenders often argue that he made Arsenal into what they are today and they owe him everything, which is only a half truth imo. No doubt they were a terrific side some 12-15 years ago, but football has changed and Wenger seems to be unable/unwilling to adapt to these changes.
If he goes, who will replace him? Do they go after a established top class manager or gamble on a up and comer?
If he goes, who will replace him? Do they go after a established top class manager or gamble on a up and comer?
That's amazing. Imagine knowing the fans will be furious you're staying and having to come up with plans and strategies to announce it without them going berserk. Most managers would take the hint and accept it was time to leave.
Not Wenger though, he's like the last guy at a house party who won't leave.
So, I'm guessing that both Özil and Sanchez are up for grabs 
This is going to end in tears if they repeat the usual Arsenal cycle again next season which lets be honest under wenger they will do!
I think him signing an extension will be the final straw for a lot of their fans that up until now have kept quiet out of respect. Soon as things start going wrong next season it will kick off big time.
I think him signing an extension will be the final straw for a lot of their fans that up until now have kept quiet out of respect. Soon as things start going wrong next season it will kick off big time.
According to Wenger, top 4 is not that important anymore. "It's not the end of the world".
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...r-taking-bigger-perspective-on-arsenal-future
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...r-taking-bigger-perspective-on-arsenal-future
So according to Wenger, top four has gone from being like a trophy to not that important. Funny he says that when it's genuine possibility Arsenal miss top four for the first time top four has brought with it Champions League qualification.
Looks like the TV deal has saved Wenger. The board are clearly in the palm of his hand and it will be up to him when he leaves. I wonder if someone has a gentleman's agreement to take over but can't do it this summer because of obligations hence why Wenger is staying.
this is going to be celebrated like winning a trophy or a top 4 finish if it happens
We need neither a hedgehog nor a snake.So, I'm guessing that both Özil and Sanchez are up for grabs
He is in a sorry state of delusion if he remains, Wengers clearly unable to compete with the younger hungry elite. Really what does he think he can achieve?
He's correct.
But I'd be glad if he stayed. I'll happily take arsenal being a 4th/5th placed team over potentially challenging or in free fall.
It was only last summer he and kronke were trying to tote the line that Arsenal just did not have the financial muscle to compete with the big guns (despite being cheapskates for a decade to pay off the stadium and having the highest ticket prices in the land). There'll be more of it in the summer.
Wenger is basically a shill. His priorities are more aligned with the boardroom than the fans. I think he identifies the core of the club more towards that as well, which is why he doesn't really care what the fans think.
Yeah, one less team to worry about as long as Wenger is Arsenal's manager.
Is Ty actually on the Arsenal board of directors?
This is gonna be amazing. We'll finish above them this season, I'm convinced of it - whether that's in the top 4 or 5th is another thing.
Where was this candour before he was struggling to qualify for the CL?
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Well that makes sense. They're his employers.
The board are the root cause of the tensions then? Could we draw parallels between the fans and Wenger and the way Fergie bleated on about "value in the market" while clearly appeasing the board.
You can't ignore the fact that professional football remains a special case when compared to ordinary business ventures. Until the day that AFC's business acumen allows them to operate without financial input from fans, the club will lack the right to dismiss or ignore supporters' dissent and discontent.
Really hope he stays , just for more AFTV
Completely agree.
The sheer gall of him is hilarious. He's been telling the world how top 4 was a trophy and now when it looks like they might finally slip out of the top 4 he tells us it's not that important anyway.
My guess is he'll be staying as a director of football. As of right now they're working on a deal with someone like Allegri or Tuchel which means that nothing is going to be announced until their club is out of the CL.
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I hope he signs an extension just for the reaction on ArsenalFanTV.
Sounds like he's preparing the Arsenal fans for a 5th place finish or worse. The new mega-bucks TV deal might even signal a fire sale and a further reduction in ambitions, turning them into a mid-table Premier League club!
At least he knows what´s up. They are nailed on for sixth now.
Arsenal and Liverpool should sign a coachoperation: a Kloppenger. Klopp teaches Wenger how to beat top teams, and then Arsene teaches Klopp how to beat the rest.
Genuinely hope he stays. Have been secure for years in the knowledge that with him in charge, we're assured 4+ points a season against them and that's one less team to worry about when (and if) we're chasing the title come season's end. Replace him and who knows, we may have an Arsenal that actually threatens the top.
This following scenario is somewhat likely
- Wenger announces a contract extension
- Arsenal finish outside the top 4
- Ozil and Sanchez leave with one or potentially both going to other Premier League teams
- They don't sign players of equal or greater talent
I hope the Arsenal board isn't reading this and if they are, don't worry, everything is fine under Wenger.
- Wenger announces a contract extension
- Arsenal finish outside the top 4
- Ozil and Sanchez leave with one or potentially both going to other Premier League teams
- They don't sign players of equal or greater talent
I hope the Arsenal board isn't reading this and if they are, don't worry, everything is fine under Wenger.
This following scenario is somewhat likely
- Wenger announces a contract extension
- Arsenal finish outside the top 4
- Ozil and Sanchez leave with one or potentially both going to other Premier League teams
- They don't sign players of equal or greater talent
I hope the Arsenal board isn't reading this and if they are, don't worry, everything is fine under Wenger.
I think Wenger will leave at the end of the season personally. Sanchez will leave for sure and Ozil likely to go if Wenger goes. It will be a potentially very difficult season for Arsenal next year.
At this point, Arsenal as a club and Wenger are both turning into a joke.
The board are happy to accept mediocrity so long as they get top 4. Or not even that. Top 4 is not really guaranteed at the moment, not at all. Offering him an unconditional contract now, when he's lost the players and top 4 looks more difficult than ever seems bonkers. Wait till season end at least, to see if he makes it.
As for Wenger.... He has won feck all in 13 years yet he clearly believes he is the best man to lead them out of this crisis. Despite half the fans asking for his sacking. Despite players not performing for him. Despite some players being prepared to leave the club. Despite the fact that HE is the source of their problems and division.
The man has proven to be either extremely egotistical or utterly delusional... or, most likely, both. By the time he leaves he'll most likely have left them in a worse rut than they are now. In the position Moyes left us, but without the financial muscle and stature to climb back out. He runs the risk of completely sullying his legacy now and being deemed as failure, on the whole, rather than a glorious manager.
So yes, give him a 5 year contract please
The board are happy to accept mediocrity so long as they get top 4. Or not even that. Top 4 is not really guaranteed at the moment, not at all. Offering him an unconditional contract now, when he's lost the players and top 4 looks more difficult than ever seems bonkers. Wait till season end at least, to see if he makes it.
As for Wenger.... He has won feck all in 13 years yet he clearly believes he is the best man to lead them out of this crisis. Despite half the fans asking for his sacking. Despite players not performing for him. Despite some players being prepared to leave the club. Despite the fact that HE is the source of their problems and division.
The man has proven to be either extremely egotistical or utterly delusional... or, most likely, both. By the time he leaves he'll most likely have left them in a worse rut than they are now. In the position Moyes left us, but without the financial muscle and stature to climb back out. He runs the risk of completely sullying his legacy now and being deemed as failure, on the whole, rather than a glorious manager.
So yes, give him a 5 year contract please
Unless the board pull the trigger, Wenger is staying for another season.
So I can only assume that it would take Arsenal missing out on the Champions League for the board to consider take action. But by then it'll be too late - literally.
They've been sleepwalking for years and only once the damage has been done, will the board be awoken by the reality that they're out of Europe's top competition, they have a manage who can't compete and a squad comprising of meek-minded pretty-boys. Oh and the one (two if counting Ozil) genuinely world-class player they have, is leaving them.
The club are on the precipice. Enjoy the fall Arsenal fans, enjoy the fall.
So I can only assume that it would take Arsenal missing out on the Champions League for the board to consider take action. But by then it'll be too late - literally.
They've been sleepwalking for years and only once the damage has been done, will the board be awoken by the reality that they're out of Europe's top competition, they have a manage who can't compete and a squad comprising of meek-minded pretty-boys. Oh and the one (two if counting Ozil) genuinely world-class player they have, is leaving them.
The club are on the precipice. Enjoy the fall Arsenal fans, enjoy the fall.
This following scenario is somewhat likely
- Wenger announces a contract extension
- Arsenal finish outside the top 4
- Ozil and Sanchez leave with one or potentially both going to other Premier League teams
- They don't sign players of equal or greater talent
I hope the Arsenal board isn't reading this and if they are, don't worry, everything is fine under Wenger.
Truth. I think they are by far in the worst position of the top 6 teams at the moment. I think they are also deluding themselves, if they think that players die to play for Arsenal. If Ozil and Sanchez leave they are destination #6 in England. You add PSG, Bayern, Dortmund, Juventus, Real, Barcelona, Atletico and you see where I am going. Sure they can overpay all the Mustafis and Xhakas of the world, and they are not bad players, but the true stars of the game, will view it very negatively, if Arsene-al sells Ozil/Sanchez. They have also lost ground in the youth market. Dortmund is the high end club for young starlets now. Pep, Simeone and Klopp are the hipster coaches. Arsene is a relic.
This is a compliment to english football culture: if this was italy or spain, wenger AND the board members would have been hounded out of the club a while ago. In england, all they have to do is deal with fan protests inside and outside the stadium. Harmless stuff.
Yours is a better football culture than ours, by far
Yours is a better football culture than ours, by far
Yep, pretty much my thinking.
And if Wenger doesnt get top4 this season, its more reason to stick with him... "devil you know". As if he goes, you get a new manager, who will surely want to change things (unless you can get somebody exactly like Wenger who is willing to do the same for less than the 8m he takes a year).
If I joined Arsenal as a manager, I would want at least 5 players for the starting lineup (CB, LB, CM, Striker, LM). And that would be a good 200m if you want to compete for all trophies down to the wire imo. (and even then, its no guarantee that it will work the first time).
In terms of board and business, maximising profit is more important than a trophy.
Sick of him. Just feck off Arsene. I have been going to Arsenal games for decades till I left UK and now I can't even be arsed tuning in to see a match because this guy has sucked the life out of our club. Even our football is horrid to watch now. A team that has spent millions on absolute garbage yet is still hovering around 4th. We have spent more than Chelsea, Spurs, and Leicester. Yet one of them won the league, while the other two are way ahead of us in the league and in terms of quality. He is no Fergie, the players do not fear him. You have failures like Walcott playing crap every season for a decade with no real consequences. Our losses to big teams every year follow the same pattern of: minor celebration and then being bullied and played off the park in the second half. Now that is down to the manager or the players not making the effort. If its the latter then why does he not do anything? If its the former then he should leave. Its the same old nonsense every season:
-start well, even lead the pack for a while smashing substandard dross teams, maybe even destroy a top team at home. Arsenal are back! Arsene is king!
Wait...no
-Play another top team next, with a chance to stretch our lead or ruin their season; take the lead and cheer Arsene's praises till the second half arrives. In which we collapse and are bitch slapped to all ends. The next few games everyone is brought to the same familiar reality: Walcott is nothing more than a mindless road-runner, Ox is more crock than my grandfather and every season his 'new' position is hailed as him finally becoming the Messi that he is only for everyone to find out he's shitte. Giroud's best career at this point seems to be becoming a pornstar, even then he is aging rapidly. Ozil seems to take Lord of Rings too literally, there you needed Gollum to wear a ring to vanish here Ozil needs to wear an Arsenal shirt and there is no sign of him. I don't even know what Coquelin does while Cazorla is doing his best impersonation of Diaby.
Then you have dear Arsene. A bloke on £8million a year lecturing you about sensible spending. If you're telling me that a team with a spine of Cech, Koscienly, Cazorla/Ramsay, Sanchez can't do better than 4th or atleast compete in CL and PL till the end then I don't know what to say.
Fecking sick of this nonsense now. The thought of him staying is depressing.
-start well, even lead the pack for a while smashing substandard dross teams, maybe even destroy a top team at home. Arsenal are back! Arsene is king!
Wait...no
-Play another top team next, with a chance to stretch our lead or ruin their season; take the lead and cheer Arsene's praises till the second half arrives. In which we collapse and are bitch slapped to all ends. The next few games everyone is brought to the same familiar reality: Walcott is nothing more than a mindless road-runner, Ox is more crock than my grandfather and every season his 'new' position is hailed as him finally becoming the Messi that he is only for everyone to find out he's shitte. Giroud's best career at this point seems to be becoming a pornstar, even then he is aging rapidly. Ozil seems to take Lord of Rings too literally, there you needed Gollum to wear a ring to vanish here Ozil needs to wear an Arsenal shirt and there is no sign of him. I don't even know what Coquelin does while Cazorla is doing his best impersonation of Diaby.
Then you have dear Arsene. A bloke on £8million a year lecturing you about sensible spending. If you're telling me that a team with a spine of Cech, Koscienly, Cazorla/Ramsay, Sanchez can't do better than 4th or atleast compete in CL and PL till the end then I don't know what to say.
Fecking sick of this nonsense now. The thought of him staying is depressing.
Best post of the day
also why I don't want Ozil, besides the fact it would be funny signing another one of Arsenals top players, he does go missing far too often.Oh I fully understand that but I think the responsibility of the decision on what happens to Wenger is entirely on the board.
Arsene is just an employee after all and one who is doing a stellar job based on his employers' requirements. That was what my reply alluded to. He answers to his bosses.
I don't buy into the theory that out of respect the Arsenal board is giving him complete autonomy in terms of his decision to leave or stay. They genuinely offered him a contract because they're happy with his performance.
Arsenal fans' main gripe should be with the board but football is a funny business. It takes a long time for fans input to actually affect the bottomline due to strong brand loyalty (i.e. most Arsenal fans won't become spurs fans because the board is not responsive to their demands and will continue to support the team). The negative feedback will take years to translate into loss of money (new generations not being interested in the Arsenal model). So what can the fans do in the short term to force the board's hand? Unless they can organize the mother of all boycotts, not much. The whole social media thing, Arsenal fan tv, the banners, the protests, all that helps create a negative perception around the brand and will work in the long run but it will take a lot of time and has to be on a larger scale and really persistent.
Cheer up.
There might be some sense to the opinion of it might be better for Wenger to stay. Sanchez and Ozil are gone, there's no champions league and they will probably be in the Europa league next year. If Kreonke decides he won't spend money, they're seriously fecked.